Seravalli: Oilers tried to acquire Drew O'Connor last week, looking for a backup plan now with similar traits (big and fast) Holloway replacement

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You don't know what you're talking about.

If every team had a 6'4 speedy forward who can slot in at centre or the wing and scored 16-goals in the NHL last season down on their farm team, then every team in the NHL would have a wildly incompetent General Manager for having that player in the AHL.
Nah.

Your very first point shows you know nothing. He isn't 6'4". And the size that he does have, he could certainly use better.

While he might have speed in a straight line, he's a terrible skater. Agility, lateral movement, balance, transitions, all awful.

DOC playing center is so rare, I'm not sure it's ever happened in the NHL.

And you want to point to outlier stats? Drake Caiggula had a 13-goal season with the Oilers at a higher GPG rate than DOC ever has. So what?

Jesse Puljujarvi is what you're describing. He's literally in the Pens farm system right now, and even with his double hip surgery, he's a better player than DOC will ever be.

Do you follow this sport like.. at all?
 
Some people are just so desperate to shoot their mouths off about the Oilers (not you, the person you responded to) that they say the stupidest shit without seeming to realize how ridiculous it makes them look.

"I'm embarrassed for the Oilers that they publicly admitted this". Because they've correctly identified that they need some speed, size, and secondary scoring? The horror. Imagine a Cup favourite wanting to add those things. 6'4 wingers that scored 16 goals and 33 points in their first full NHL season don't just grow on trees, and there's certainly not a plethora of them in the minors.
DOC scored all those goals playing with Sid and Geno. Not in the bottom 6. If you want 16 goals out of O'Connor, you'd better be playing him with McDavid and Draisaitl, because they're not coming any other way.
 
Nah.

Your very first point shows you know nothing. He isn't 6'4". And the size that he does have, he could certainly use better.

He's listed as 6'4 on NHL.com and hockeyDB. 6'3 on hockeyreference and eliteprospects. Minimal, pedantic difference.

While he might have speed in a straight line, he's a terrible skater. Agility, lateral movement, balance, transitions, all awful.

He didn't say anything about his skating, just that he was speedy. You're moving the goalposts.

DOC playing center is so rare, I'm not sure it's ever happened in the NHL.

He's taken 92 draws this year, suggesting that while it doesn't happen often, he does take the odd shift at C

And you want to point to outlier stats? Drake Caiggula had a 13-goal season with the Oilers at a higher GPG rate than DOC ever has. So what?

His career point pace is 26 points over 82 games and 12 goals over 82 games. You can't have "outlier stats" with a guy that's only played one full season

Jesse Puljujarvi is what you're describing. He's literally in the Pens farm system right now, and even with his double hip surgery, he's a better player than DOC will ever be.

Puljujarvi is a useful player and the Pens are dumb as bricks for not playing him. Jesse's problem is he's difficult and unpredictable to play with, but it's also what makes him hard to play against. Most teams do not have a player that they can call up that would produce at a 25-30 point pace at the NHL level, particularly from the bottom six.

Do you follow this sport like.. at all?

Do you? Because it doesn't seem like it.
Comments in bold. You're not coming off so well here.
 
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Rest of the league should be

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I could get you a Drew O'Connor by 3pm

Seriously there are literally Drew O'Connor types all over the NHL hell several pass thru waivers every year
 
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DOC scored all those goals playing with Sid and Geno. Not in the bottom 6. If you want 16 goals out of O'Connor, you'd better be playing him with McDavid and Draisaitl, because they're not coming any other way.
"If you play this player with good players he'll produce at a high rate"

goodness how horrifying

O'Connor without Sid or Geno last year:

52.2% CF%, 55.5% GF, 50.88 XGF%, 51.72% GF. On a team that couldn't make the playoffs in a wide open eastern conference.
 
He's listed as 6'4 on NHL.com and hockeyDB. 6'3 on hockeyreference and eliteprospects. Minimal, pedantic difference.

He didn't say anything about his skating, just that he was speedy. You're moving the goalposts.

He's taken 92 draws this year, suggesting that while it doesn't happen often, he does take the odd shift at C

His career point pace is 26 points over 82 games and 12 goals over 82 games. You can't have "outlier stats" with a guy that's only played one full season

Puljujarvi is a useful player and the Pens are dumb as bricks for not playing him. Jesse's problem is he's difficult and unpredictable to play with, but it's also what makes him hard to play against. Most teams do not have a player that they can call up that would produce at a 25-30 point pace at the NHL level, particularly from the bottom six.

Do you? Because it doesn't seem like it.

He's 6'3". And has already been explained to you by multiple people, he doesn't use it.

He only has speed in a straight line. His lack of agility prevents him from using it often.

Thank you for bringing up the fact that he's only played one full season. He turns 27 in four months. That's pathetic.

He does not play center. Any draws he takes are on the PK or because someone else got waived out.

Comments in bold. You're not coming off so well here.
I'm a Pens fan. Conservatively, I have watched 9 out of 10 games he's ever played in the NHL. All you can do is go to websites and cite out-of-context stats. You do not know this player at all.
 
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funny how a lot of pens fans in here saying DOC sucks were just asking for a 2nd + and comparing him to the likes of Colton and hagel prior to their trades just a few months ago

 
funny how a lot of pens fans in here saying DOC sucks were just asking for a 2nd + and comparing him to the likes of Colton and hagel prior to their trades just a few months ago

There are people in that thread predicting he'd be a 20g40pt player this year. They're not living in reality.

But then again, when has any poster on these boards ever overvalued players on their favorite team?
 
funny how a lot of pens fans in here saying DOC sucks were just asking for a 2nd + and comparing him to the likes of Colton and hagel prior to their trades just a few months ago


Probably because that thread was made in the off-season, after O'Connor had a good season and a terrific end to the season before last year.

And now he has had a painfully mediocre season this year, which brought his value down to around a 3rd. Which is what most Penguins fans expected his value would be before the deal.
 
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If I'm O'Connor or any one of his family members, I'd be thrilled to see people giving this many f***s about his career and NHL-ish qualities. 6 pages and counting!
 
funny how a lot of pens fans in here saying DOC sucks were just asking for a 2nd + and comparing him to the likes of Colton and hagel prior to their trades just a few months ago

I like DOC but that thread was after he hit 33 points and looked like he was on the verge of breaking out. He totally disappeared this year so many soured on him. That said imo he has some untapped potential and i could see him becoming a solid asset in Vancouver.
 
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I know all teams need depth, but I just can’t imagine being a serious contending NHL team and not only identifying Drew O’Conner as a main trade target, but also failing to secure Drew O’Conner if he is indeed a main trade target.
 
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I guess Greenway would be the guy they would look at as someone who has size and is a decent enough skater. Good PKer, will play a bit of a physical game more as a bulldozer than as a punishing hitter... expiring contract.
I would like to get Greenway but every time I look he's injured. Has he come back yet?
 
Pens fans selling DOC short. had a good year last year, and plays a good bottom 6 game.
 
He's 6'3". And has already been explained to you by multiple people, he doesn't use it.

He only has speed in a straight line. His lack of agility prevents him from using it often.

Thank you for bringing up the fact that he's only played one full season. He turns 27 in four months. That's pathetic.

He does not play center. Any draws he takes are on the PK or because someone else got waived out.


I'm a Pens fan. Conservatively, I have watched 9 out of 10 games he's ever played in the NHL. All you can do is go to websites and cite out-of-context stats. You do not know this player at all.
1) Pedantic

2) "yeah he's fast BUT" nobody said anything about his agility except you.

3) He's 26 and made the NHL at 22 despite being an undrafted player. Pathetic? You suck dude. Imagine describing a guy making his lifelong dream come true despite no team wanting to use even a 7th on him as "pathetic"

Plenty of fans of teams don't understand what they're watching. Lots of Oilers fans think Evan Bouchard sucks and should be traded. Those people are dumb as rocks and twice as dense. "I done seent it I know better than the numbers" types are all the same.
 
He's been absolutely dynamic and pushed himself into the future plans as a top 6 winger. Always liked the player when he was on the Oilers because of size+speed+motor, but didn't realize he had as much skill as he does. Him and Kyrou have been great when on the same line
I always saw him as a 2nd line talent and he was a guy that I wanted to build around for the future. People were concerned about losing McLeod and Foegele, I wanted them gone. Holloway showed more in the playoffs than those 2 combined. That said he may even have top line talent which means that he may well exceed the ceiling that I put on his talent.
Seravalli always loves to be scathing so of course he uses Holloway here. But Holloway was only that sort of player in brief glimpses for the Oilers. Warren Foegele is who they miss the most, in terms of who they had that played that way that they lost.

And it's when you add Foegele, Ryan Mcleod, and Holloway that you realize why the Oilers went from a fast team to a slow team.
Foegele? Hell no, you build around players that bring it when the stakes are the highest. Foegele and McLeod weren't those guys.
Uh, you are aware that my team has had both of those guys for multiple years?

Saying Tanev doesn't bring a physical element like O'Connor is just hilariously wrong. Tanev is significantly more physical than O'Connor, O'Connor doesn't really use his size. That's why Tanev averages 239 hits per 82 games compared to 72 hits per 82 games for O'Connor.
I was about to say is there a 3rd Tanev that I'm not aware of? Brandon Tanev is a PITA to play against and would be a great add for the Oilers bottom 6.
 

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