Proposal: Oilers trades to fix Defense (EDM-BOS / EDM-MTL)

[wintersej]

Well if you feel the window is open for this year and next then keep Carlo. And if you trust that he’s the same player he was last year. Completely understandable. I heard he might be considered to be on the block though. If the Bs fall out of the race, he’d be among your most moveable pieces.

Oh if they decide to go that direction you are totally right. But it just doesn't seem super realistic they will go in that direction over trying to get some playoff revenue in over the next few years. Speaking from the real life ownership POV, not the "either go for the Cup or rebuild" POV around here.

 

[TheNumber4]

I didn't know he's been playing RD, but I don't believe he's the type of RD we need to target. Almost half of his points come from the PP and he won't get any time here and he can't really defend. If we were looking for a somewhat offensively gifted RD, we should have just called Schultz before he retired and gotten him for a lot cheaper than what Habs (fans) want for Matheson and how much he makes.

Yeh he slots RD for them.

Your assessment of his game is not wrong though. His points are PP supported and he would have no Pp time in Edmonton. And he does struggle with defence in the sense that he’s a high ris player that is prone to mistakes and mostly mediocre in his own zone.

However I disagree on what the Oilers need though. We need a puck moving defenceman on the right side. And one that can make plays in the O-Zone. The most recently reported Bob rumblings confirm the Oilers are looking for exactly that.

 

[The don godfather]

You want carlo you gotta pay this isnt Chris drury your dealing with.

 

[TheNumber4]

Oh if they decide to go that direction you are totally right. But it just doesn't seem super realistic they will go in that direction over trying to get some playoff revenue in over the next few years. Speaking from the real life ownership POV, not the "either go for the Cup or rebuild" POV around here.

Hm maybe. I can’t speak to how the Boston management team operates. But I’ve always viewed them as a team that always wants to win a Championship though, you know has their sights set higher than first round playoffs revenue. And I always felt revenue wise they’d be fine either way, as an Original 6 team they aren’t struggling financially and probably has a pretty big war chest saved up.

Curious, what would be the ideal top 6 winger that you would want and think could shake loose for Carlo? Is there one?

 

[DingDongCharlie]

Montreal laughs, says no. Savard will pull a 2nd. With 50% retention they would be getting another asset likely a 3rd. Even at this 2nd + 3rd you'd probably have a few teams more than willing to do the trade. A veteran RD with 50% retention is prorated down from 1.75m at the deadline. Literally any club could afford this cap hit.

Bruins don't make an offer for Bouchard. If they did, this isn't an offer remotely close to getting it done and I say that wanting Carlo. Bruins with McAvoy top pairing RD, top PP guy don't need Bouchard and wouldn't want another huge cap hit at RD which he shall be on his next contract. I have to add, Bouchard is a core guy in Edmonton. He's not moving.

 

[McJedi]

2 trades for the Oilers to fix their Defense

Trade #1;
Oilers; Carlo, Frederic
Bruins; Bouchard, J. Skinner

Trade #2;
Oilers; Savard (50% retained)
Canadiens: Stecher, 2026 3rd

Boston should say yes to that so fast. So so fast.

Don't see the Habs doing the Savard at 50% deal for so little in return. Just keep Savard at that point and let him play out his deal for the Habs. He's worth more over those last 45 games than a late 3rd rounder while having to retain.

 

[Cup or Bust]

I would love for Bouchard to no longer be an Oiler but the only way they could afford to trade him is if they had an offensive style d-man moving forward. Ideally one that can skate,, defend, and doesn't play like a pulseless corpse. So this would not be a good deal for the Oilers.

 

[5 14 6 1]

Brother go to bed. The Oilers are the 2nd best team in the NHL the last 25 games and have allowed the third least goals in the entire league in that time period. They are playing great.

 

[TheNumber4]

You want carlo you gotta pay this isnt Chris drury you’re dealing with.

Well if you were Drury I’d offer you a 3rd and 6th and B prospect call it a day.

But realistically, something around 1st and 4th for Carlo at 50%.

Or maybe 1st+JeffSkinner for Carlo (No retention)

 

[LTIR]

You want carlo you gotta pay this isnt Chris drury your dealing with.

If BOS is out of playoffs contention by deadline, one of Arvidsson/J.Skinner/Kane plus a prospect like Max Wanner and/or a 2nd should be enough to fetch Carlo IMO.

There is no need for EDM to go after Savard if they are getting Carlo. There is certainly no need to trade Bouchard if the plan is to contend. Despite his warts he gets the job done offensively

 

[TheNumber4]

Montreal laughs, says no. Savard will pull a 2nd. With 50% retention they would be getting another asset likely a 3rd. Even at this 2nd + 3rd you'd probably have a few teams more than willing to do the trade. A veteran RD with 50% retention is prorated down from 1.75m at the deadline. Literally any club could afford this cap hit.

Bruins don't make an offer for Bouchard. If they did, this isn't an offer remotely close to getting it done and I say that wanting Carlo. Bruins with McAvoy top pairing RD, top PP guy don't need Bouchard and wouldn't want another huge cap hit at RD which he shall be on his next contract. I have to add, Bouchard is a core guy in Edmonton. He's not moving.

Much better defenceman than current day Savard have returned the prices you are laying out there. I don’t see it.

Bouchard would never be offered up in the first place, so no worries there.

 

[DingDongCharlie]

Here’s the real trade the Oilers need to do:

1st + 4th for Carlo (50% retained)

And that’s probably being generous for how Carlo has played this year.

Carlo has 2 more years on his deal. Boston retains on a 4.1m cap hit for 2.5 years on a top 4 D they are getting a much better piece added to a 1st than a 4th. Even with this season, everyone know what type of D Carlo is and would be expected to be. You'd be replacing the 4th with our best prospect just to not get laughed at. Even beyond this if Boston shops Carlo some team will easily do 1st + prospect without retention.

 

[TheNumber4]

Carlo has 2 more years on his deal. Boston retains on a 4.1m cap hit for 2.5 years on a top 4 D they are getting a much better piece added to a 1st than a 4th. Even with this season, everyone know what type of D Carlo is and would be expected to be. You'd be replacing the 4th with our best prospect just to not get laughed at. Even beyond this if Boston shops Carlo some team will easily do 1st + prospect without retention.

Okay. Take a prospect then. 1st + Akey (recently named to WJC Canada team) for Carlo at 50%. Which would be 2.05M retained, not 4.1M.

Considering Carlos, regression, i think that’s more than fair.

 

[DingDongCharlie]

If BOS is out of playoffs contention by deadline, one of Arvidsson/J.Skinner/Kane plus a prospect like Max Wanner and/or a 2nd should be enough to fetch Carlo IMO.

There is no need for EDM to go after Savard if they are getting Carlo. There is certainly no need to trade Bouchard if the plan is to contend. Despite his warts he gets the job done offensively

Why would a team in this situation (missing the playoffs) want a pending UFA Jeff Skinner? He'd literally be a cap dump. Zero value, likely wouldn't waive for a team out of it either. If Boston took him in this situation we likely have to pay a mid pick to them to eat the contract even with it expiring.

Kane is staying. He's literally building his home in Edmonton. I also don't think Kane has trade value, but adds an element to the team we need.

Arvidsson out injured. Barely played. Recently brought in UFA, close friend of Ekholm. Teams not likely dumping him either. That said I certainly wouldn't be opposed to him being the cap balancer on a Carlo deal.

 

[DingDongCharlie]

Okay. Take a prospect then. 1st + Akey (recently named to WJC Canada team) for Carlo at 50%. Which would be 2.05M retained, not 4.1M.

Considering Carlos, regression, i think that’s more than fair.

I'd jump at that as an Oilers fan. I just don't think Bruins even consider it if they have to retain on him. Too many years on too small a contract. What I mean is 4.1m in the off season is easy for any club looking for RD to fit. There would be a market for him without retaining. We see teams paying 3rd or 4th rounders to retain on expiring deals at the deadline. Retaining 2m across 2.5 years is going to cost.

I've long been saying we need a Brandon Carlo or a Connor Murphy. Seems the club doesn't agree as does a large portion of HFOil as everyone keeps pointing out they want another puck mover. We'd also likely be bidding against Vancouver for Carlo.

 

[Czechboy]

This also has the classic Bouchard sucks but we'd like to trade you for him vibe.lol.

 

[DingDongCharlie]

If BOS is out of playoffs contention by deadline, one of Arvidsson/J.Skinner/Kane plus a prospect like Max Wanner and/or a 2nd should be enough to fetch Carlo IMO.

There is no need for EDM to go after Savard if they are getting Carlo. There is certainly no need to trade Bouchard if the plan is to contend. Despite his warts he gets the job done offensively

I'd agree on this. I'm not really on board with adding Savard either unless we swing on deals for better D and completely miss out. On a contender I see Savard as a 3rd pairing RD. Not really a hole on the Oilers. We need a 2nd pairing RD. Carlo fits that bill. Connor Murphy might not but I'd say he's clearly better than Savard is at this point.

 

[Halakitlikethat]

Savard hasn’t been good this season. Hes definitely on the back nine. I still think he could help the oilers in the playoffs but I wouldn’t give a 2nd rounder and would probably look for a better option.

 

[TheNumber4]

I'd jump at that as an Oilers fan. I just don't think Bruins even consider it if they have to retain on him. Too many years on too small a contract. What I mean is 4.1m in the off season is easy for any club looking for RD to fit. There would be a market for him without retaining. We see teams paying 3rd or 4th rounders to retain on expiring deals at the deadline. Retaining 2m across 2.5 years is going to cost.

I've long been saying we need a Brandon Carlo or a Connor Murphy. Seems the club doesn't agree as does a large portion of HFOil as everyone keeps pointing out they want another puck mover.

Well technically we could fit Carlo at 4.1M too. But the price would have to come down. My offer is with 50% retention in mind, which gives a better package for Boston to consider. I wouldn't throw Akey in there for Carlo straight up for example.

Carlo isn't my ideal archetype. I am in the puck mover camp. But i don't think Carlo is bad at that aspect, his offence isn't what I'd want though, but I think there could be more on that front with the Oilers line up.

This also has the classic Bouchard sucks but we'd like to trade you for him vibe.lol.

I'm sure "Oil10" is just trying to make the Oilers better....

 

[pth2]

Adding Stecher to Montreal isn't the worst possible idea, but Montreal would not sacrifice other assets to get him, and Savard at 50% is worth something like a 2nd and 3d, as others have said. If he hadn't slowed down, a 1st wouldn't be out of the question.
A 3d in 2026 and a 2nd in 2027 would fit with Montreal's apparent trend of trading for far-off picks instead of having too many picks in the same year.

 

[McAsuno]

This also has the classic Bouchard sucks but we'd like to trade you for him vibe.lol.

Mind you the OP actually thinks trading Bouchard for Savard, Xhekaj+ would be a good deal for the Oilers.
He also suggested trading away Draisaitl in 2017.
Guy must be bored of playing Be a GM mode with his video games that he has to make laughable trade proposals time after time.

 

[TheNumber4]

Savard hasn’t been good this season. Hes definitely on the back nine. I still think he could help the oilers in the playoffs but I wouldn’t give a 2nd rounder and would probably look for a better option.

Exactttttly. And I do think in a 3rd pair role he may be able to help, but there is no way we are paying a 2nd for a 3rd pair. And really, the Oilers aren't even in the market for a 3rd pair. Some combination of Emberson/Stecher can play that role.

 

[McAsuno]

Well technically we could fit Carlo at 4.1M too. But the price would have to come down. My offer is with 50% retention in mind, which gives a better package for Boston to consider. I wouldn't throw Akey in there for Carlo straight up for example.

Carlo isn't my ideal archetype. I am in the puck mover camp. But i don't think Carlo is bad at that aspect, his offence isn't what I'd want though, but I think there could be more on that front with the Oilers line up.


I'm sure "Oil10" is just trying to make the Oilers better....

Better in terms of the slow meaty cokehead type of players lmao. He probably idolized JF fricken Jacques.

 

[TheNumber4]

Adding Stecher to Montreal isn't the worst possible idea, but Montreal would not sacrifice other assets to get him, and Savard at 50% is worth something like a 2nd and 3d, as others have said. If he hadn't slowed down, a 1st wouldn't be out of the question.
A 3d in 2026 and a 2nd in 2027 would fit with Montreal's apparent trend of trading for far-off picks instead of having too many picks in the same year.

He's a 3rd pair defenceman on any contender. And you are valuing him as a Top 4.

Better in terms of the slow meaty cokehead type of players lmao. He probably idolized JF fricken Jacques.

I'm leaning more towards Guy Lafleur if you catch my drift...

 

[Roof Daddy]

I’d target Rasmus Andersson - however unlikely the Flames are to do business with us. I’d overpay if that’s what it takes.

To CGY: 2026 1st, 2025 2nd (STL), Akey, Savoie

To ANH: 2025 3rd (STL)

To EDM: Andersson 75% retained