Post-Game Talk: Oilers score 5 goals and an ENG without McDrai

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I think all of Janmark, Brown and Perry are plug and play in these playoffs. I love Perry and he’s really proven me wrong this year but the 40 is showing and I think he will be most effective with less expectation. And if Kane and Frederic are in the lineup they bring a lot of what we have over-relied on him for.
If he continues to play this way, there is no way Skinner should be out of the top 6, let alone not in the lineup. He is a dog on a bone in puck battles and has shown he has the smarts to find open ice. I'd probably sit Perry out, as I think he's slowed down a bit lately and may be tiring. Insert him as needed, either for an injury replacement, or a shakeup.
 
Brown whiffed on any chances as well as he always does. Last night we were playing one of the worst clubs in the NHL and Brown was granted better linemates than himself and while playing easy minutes. I think the bare minimum expectation is that he get something done.

Unfortunately as much as we won its the expected players that have lately risen up to get some. Nuge with 3 goals, Skinner adds another, Henrique finds one. The usual whiffers on this club, and theres several, not bagging any goals.

Connor Brown his whole tenure here has a pathetic 14 goals in 165GP. That works out to scoring 1G on average every dozen games. This even while the guy gets parked on topsix often enough.

Lets look at the assist last night too. A slow pass to a wide open Skinner in the slot. The Kraken coverage so bad even Brown could make that pass.

I don't really see the point of bashing the forward corps, they stepped up Brown included and mostly all played better with more responsibility put on their shoulders.

Connor Brown is a 4th line player at this point on his career.

I mean the group scored 5 goals last night, were we expecting like 6 or 7?
 
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Disagree, Brown is playing well, he just can't finish.

Listening to GYB as I do my chores and Rob Brown is saying that he sees Jeff Skinner out of the lineup when Kane and Frederic return because there's no room in the top 6 with Perry on the 4th line. I'm confused by this because I see....

???-McDavid-Hyman
Kane-Draisaitl-Frederic
Podkolzin-RNH-Arvidsson
Perry-Henrique-Brown

Who does he see on McDavid 's wing? Janmark?
Odd take by him. Skinner is a top 6 winger who should play in the top 6. I don't see any other options anyway with Nuge at center.
Nope

Hyman- McDavid -Draisaitl
Kane - RNH-Arvidsson
Skinner- Frederic -Podklozin
Janmark Henrique Perry
Kapanen Brown

Or switch Skinner and Kane and have a bruising 3rd line of destruction
 
If Nuge continues this caliber of play they should put Drai back with McDavid and run Nuge at 2nd C
I like the line Nuge is on right now. It allows him to come out of his shell and be the driver, and it's really worked well since they were put together. Don't f*** with success.
 
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If Nuge continues this caliber of play they should put Drai back with McDavid and run Nuge at 2nd C
This is nuge heat up phase in a season. As much as I like seeing it, it doesn't last. I think the right answer is to seperate out the 3C and give Nuge somebody to work with on third line as he can do quite well against lesser checking, weaker opposition.

As a 2C its not common that Nuge is getting it done lately. Last night was against Seattle. Frankly its unreresentative. Kraken are so bad its almost impossible to not get free lunch.

Gretzky would've called the Kraken a mickey mouse franchise and he'd be right. Kraken are exhibit A in NHL of virtue over integrity and substance. Start out naming their Arena "Climate Pledge" then proceed with several other virtue signals before arriving at "the first female assistant coach in the NHL" Its all tied into a theme of selling false virtue instead of just putting a competitive team on the ice. People in Seattle lick it up like a Kitty drinking milk. "Give us more losses and false virtue"
 
Brown whiffed on any chances as well as he always does. Last night we were playing one of the worst clubs in the NHL and Brown was granted better linemates than himself and while playing easy minutes. I think the bare minimum expectation is that he get something done.

Unfortunately as much as we won its the expected players that have lately risen up to get some. Nuge with 3 goals, Skinner adds another, Henrique finds one. The usual whiffers on this club, and theres several, not bagging any goals.

Connor Brown his whole tenure here has a pathetic 14 goals in 165GP. That works out to scoring 1G on average every dozen games. This even while the guy gets parked on topsix often enough.

Lets look at the assist last night too. A slow pass to a wide open Skinner in the slot. The Kraken coverage so bad even Brown could make that pass.
Last season is irrelevant… stop reaching.

He hasn’t been great this season but he’s been better than others. Stats back that up by the way… not just a clearly jaded opinion.
 
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I don't really see the point of bashing the forward corps, they stepped up Brown included and mostly all played better with more responsibility put on their shoulders.

Connor Brown is a 4th line player at this point on his career.

I mean the group scored 5 goals last night, were we expecting like 6 or 7?
Connor Brown is slightly more than Erik Belanger was here. He's very reminiscent except Brown gets way more (botched) scoring chances. Time for the Janmark experiment to end as well. By now the guy would need psych intervention or hypnotism ;) to believe he could score a goal. man I've seen guys flatline here before, lots, but its one thing to be snakebit, another to never get out of it.

We have a lot of 4th line players it seems.
 
Kane McDavid Hyman
Skinner Draisaitl Frederic
Podkolzin RNH Arvidsson
Perry Henrique Brown

Would probably be what I'd try when everyone is healthy. Sub Kapanen in/out depending on who the opponent is.

I think we should maybe consider resting Perry a bit down the stretch so he's fresher for the players.
 
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Last season is irrelevant… stop reaching.

He hasn’t been great this season but he’s been better than others. Stats back that up by the way… not just a clearly jaded opinion.
What a low bar. Connor Brown is better than .....

He's a veteran thats supposed to be able to pot. He was brought in here to be lol topsix help on the cheap. That was the plan...

That Connor Brown has company in never finishing on this team isn't a compliment, its an indictment of the scoring depth on the club.

Honestly would you or anybody want Connor Brown here for yet another season? I'm canvassing at this point. haha
 
Connor Brown is slightly more than Erik Belanger was here. He's very reminiscent except Brown gets way more (botched) scoring chances. Time for the Janmark experiment to end as well. By now the guy would need psych intervention or hypnotism ;) to believe he could score a goal. man I've seen guys flatline here before, lots, but its one thing to be snakebit, another to never get out of it.

We have a lot of 4th line players it seems.

0.11 gpg this year isn't great, but we've iced worse lol.

Dylan Holloway was a .010 gpg here in the regular season, probably one of the reasons the front office did not match his offer sheet.

The forwards are capable of more, as a group we defer too much to McDavid and Draisaitl and then too many forwards here think they should play the same style (over passing) for some reason instead of just playing a simpler game.

Coaches don't make it a priority to get other forwards going here either. I've said it many times and shown the data but there's a large amount of players here that underperform, it's not just 1 or 2 guys at this point.
 
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What a low bar. Connor Brown is better than .....

He's a veteran thats supposed to be able to pot. He was brought in here to be lol topsix help on the cheap. That was the plan...

That Connor Brown has company in never finishing on this team isn't a compliment, its an indictment of the scoring depth on the club.

Honestly would you or anybody want Connor Brown here for yet another season? I'm canvassing at this point. haha
Maybe it’s a low bar but he has been better than others therefore he shouldn’t be sat.

Do you disagree?

I would take Brown at 1 million for another season any day of the week. I would bet most teams would too.
 
0.11 gpg this year isn't great, but we've iced worse lol.

Dylan Holloway was a .010 gpg here in the regular season, probably one of the reasons the front office did not match his offer sheet.

The forwards are capable of more, as a group we defer too much to McDavid and Draisaitl and then too many forwards here think they should play the same style (over passing) for some reason instead of just playing a simpler game.

Coaches don't make it a priority to get other forwards going here either. I've said it many times but there's a large amount of players here that underperform, it's not just 1 or 2 guys at this point.
Holloway had 11G in 61GP last season Reg season +playoffs. Obviously nothing like Brown your own want for distortion notwithstanding. Nor sure why you're even bringing up Holloway which is like throwing salt on Brown wound.

Are you really suggesting Holloway is a worse option? Your wording? jebus look at your syntax. you say we've had worse, and then cite Holloway. Poor post man.
 
Nuge with 9 points in his past 4 games.

Took him 18 games to earn the preceding 9 points.
That is the very definition of streaky.

But I think the turning point is getting off McDavid's line and giving him one of his own. Not saying Arvi and Pod are world beaters, but they dig hard and Nuge is allowed to carry the puck and make plays. He's the man out there. He was getting lost and too comfortable with McDavid and deferring all the time. A change is good. He may not get the extra ice time on the 3rd line, but he also kills penalties and is on the PP, and he'll be fresher in more limited minutes. Sometimes less can produce more.
 
I also will say locking players out of the PP wholesale isn't good for overall team morale. Last night we scored 2 PP goals with no McDavid/Drai needed.

There should be a spot open for players to move onto PP unit 1 at times if their play warrants it.

The fact that Bouchard cannot get himself scratched from the PP unit 1 is also ridiculous. Walman and Ekholm should be given reps there when Bouch is clearly playing like crap to send a message.
 
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Maybe it’s a low bar but he has been better than others therefore he shouldn’t be sat.

Do you disagree?

I would take Brown at 1 million for another season any day of the week. I would bet most teams would too.
Yikes and please no, no no NOOOOOOO! hehe

jk aside look at the lineups we could be facing in the playoffs. They don't have an assortment of dolittle players in the lineup.

I dare say most playoff teams would NOT have several forwards in the lineup that don't do much of anything. Brown is good on pk. But he's not even a strong EV player, and he's not a strong shutdown player. He doesn't have all the characteristics of a guy that just shutsdown. At least Janmark has that. Not that I'm supporting either continuing in the lineup.
 
I also will say locking players out of the PP wholesale isn't good for overall team morale. Last night we scored 2 PP goals with no McDavid/Drai needed.

There should be a spot open for players to move onto PP unit 1 at times if their play warrants it.

The fact that Bouchard cannot get himself scratched from the PP unit 1 is also ridiculous. Walman and Ekholm should be given reps there when Bouch is clearly playing like crap to send a message.
Walman had a suspicious game. Worse than Booch last night. Walman has similar tendency to overplay puck at point which on PP as we know can be dangerous. Booch is also better offensively than Walman. There isn't any argument to suggest otherwise.
 
Holloway had 11G in 61GP last season Reg season +playoffs. Obviously nothing like Brown your own want for distortion notwithstanding. Nor sure why you're even bringing up Holloway which is like throwing salt on Brown wound.

Are you really suggesting Holloway is a worse option? Your wording? jebus look at your syntax. you say we've had worse, and then cite Holloway. Poor post man.

His production here wasn't that great, if it was a given he was going to be a 20+ goal scorer they would have matched him.

This team needs to do some soul searching on how they handle forwards here. How is Foegele scoring more in LA without Draisaitl than here as another example on top of Holloway having a dismal goals per game here.

11G in 61GP isn't anything great either. Brown this year has 8G in 70 games ... that's not a huge difference, lol.

Klim Kostin had 14G in 69 games.

This team has an issue, and I think it stems largely from the coaching here not emphasizing getting anyone but the "big dogs" going. Locking the entire roster out of PP time (basically) except for the same 5 players isn't smart either IMO, it kills team morale of other players.
 

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Ha, we'll see about that! We have a saboteur in our ranks!
 
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Walman had a suspicious game. Worse than Booch last night. Walman has similar tendency to overplay puck at point which on PP as we know can be dangerous. Booch is also better offensively than Walman. There isn't any argument to suggest otherwise.

Bouchard has given up how many breakaways this year? Like 10? He hasn't been sat even once it looks like and never loses his PP time.

This is bad coaching honestly.

I get favoring your stars, but the ways the coaches do it here harms the team overall. You're not helping Bouchard either by doing that bullshit it's like a parent that lets a child do whatever they want not realizing they're actually hurting the kid too by not setting boundaries.

Bouchard should have been benched multiple times from the PP this year in favor of Ekholm or Walman or Klingberg or whoever. No accountability and other players see that too, it's not good for team chemistry.

Every coach here is too up their own ass about winning the immediate game that they can't understand when they need to do something for the longer term betterment of the squad.
 
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Yikes and please no, no no NOOOOOOO! hehe

jk aside look at the lineups we could be facing in the playoffs. They don't have an assortment of dolittle players in the lineup.

I dare say most playoff teams would NOT have several forwards in the lineup that don't do much of anything. Brown is good on pk. But he's not even a strong EV player, and he's not a strong shutdown player. He doesn't have all the characteristics of a guy that just shutsdown. At least Janmark has that. Not that I'm supporting either continuing in the lineup.
A bottom 6, 25-30 point player that is good on the PK for a million… ya most teams would take that.

The last part is just made up. He’s literally better at all those things than Janmark.
 
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His production here wasn't that great, if it was a given he was going to be a 20+ goal scorer they would have matched him.

This team needs to do some soul searching on how they handle forwards here. How is Foegele scoring more in LA without Draisaitl than here as another example on top of Holloway having a dismal goals per game here.

11G in 61GP isn't anything great either. Brown this year has 8G in 70 games ... that's not a huge difference, lol.

Klim Kostin had 14G in 69 games.

This team has an issue, and I think it stems largely from the coaching here not emphasizing getting anyone but the "big dogs" going. Locking the entire roster out of PP time (basically) except for the same 5 players isn't smart either IMO, it kills team morale of other players.
Theres a huge difference. Plus Holloway was scoring highlight goals here. Brown scores occasionally on a screen or on an own goal or fluke goal. Its not even close to the same thing.
 
A bottom 6, 25-30 point player that is good on the PK for a million… ya most teams would take that.

The last part is just made up. He’s literally better at all those things than Janmark.
Any coach including the one we have would say Janmark is more shutdown inclined than Connor Brown is. Browns best asset here is to effect a shorthanded rush and then completely blow the scoring chance. Janmark is excellent (sarcasm) at that as well. Again I'm saying I would have NEITHER in the lineup. Neither does enough to occupy a spot that could be had by better additions. These are the two I look to be replaced, hopefully, and sooner rather than later. Doubt it happens though..
 
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Theres a huge difference. Plus Holloway was scoring highlight goals here. Brown scores occasionally on a screen or on an own goal or fluke goal. Its not even close to the same thing.

There is a problem here when so many players (wingers especially) underperform here over and over again.

Drake Caggiula at 0.178 GPG in his first stint here outperformed Dylan Holloway and Ryan McLeod here, lol. And yes even in the playoffs in 16-17, he scored at a higher rate in the playoffs than those guys also. That was on a lower scoring team in a lower scoring era too.

Like what the f*** is even going on here before some questions need to be asked?

Coaches think they need to tailor the roster for Connor and Leon too much I think, that's the problem. Those guys are gonna be alright, it's the rest of the freaking forward corps you need to focus on getting production from but every coach here just falls into the tunnel vision of just trying to win whatever game is on the schedule that night, and that usually falls into "spam the McDrai button until you win!". Then they get used to that and get lazy in understanding the rest of the team needs actually their primary focus.

Never giving other players a chance on the PP for one is also terrible for overall team morale IMO. It's one of the issues.
 
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Not my fault Skinner. Man the passion here to absolve this substandard goalie each time out. Always by the same posters. It seems like no GA # exists whereby this blanket defending wouldn't exist.

Lets cut to the chase. The majority of GA last night were due to Skinner shitting rebounds all over the place and then not cleaning up any of them. Which actually his D overall are pretty good at mopping up and boxing out or the GA would be even more of a disaster.

lol at the submission of Skinner being expected to stop 100% of breakaways. Yeah it isn't that. Do you honestly think Skinner even had a chance of making the stop with his flail out?

"rebound control"...that's such a hilarious term on here. It very much like they're/their, regardless/,irregardless, accept/except and one i try not to mess up anymore since a poster on here corrected me...than/then. It misused all the time b/c alot of people do not understand the concept or the mechanics

You keep trying label me as a Skinner fan, but I'm not defending the player half the time, I'm defending against ppl who really don't know what they are typing. I'm defending specific plays in which they misinterpret just to complain

A perfect example of this is when they use the term "rebound control"

When used PROPERLY, it can be used to describe the goal the other nite where Stu took a shot from distance, kicked out a massive rebound to an opposing player who had half the net to score. Or on the faceplant goal. He takes an easier shot, bobbles it and let's the tap in(where was Bouchard on that play i will also maintain?)

However, you see it slung around here on last nites first goal, So thank you for proving my point. You see it slung out on the play the other nite in which the puck ended up on Skinners back pad and Nurse had to reach down and grab it

When you see ppl complaining about "rebound control" on those plays, it proves that somebody actually needs to point out that they are completely oblivious to what they are saying. That is NOT Skinner defending, it's simply pointing out the obvious in context w/ an actual understanding of the play in hand
 
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"rebound control"...that's such a hilarious term on here. It very much like they're/their, regardless/,irregardless, accept/except and one i try not to mess up anymore since a poster on here corrected me...than/then. It misused all the time b/c alot of people do not understand the concept or the mechanics

You keep trying label me as a Skinner fan, but I'm not defending the player half the time, I'm defending against ppl who really don't know what they are typing. I'm defending specific plays in which they misinterpret just to complain

A perfect example of this is when they use the term "rebound control"

When used PROPERLY, it can be used to describe the goal the other nite where Stu took a shot from distance, kicked out a massive rebound to an opposing player who had half the net to score. Or on the faceplant goal. He takes an easier shot, bobbles it and let's the tap in(where was Bouchard on that play i will also maintain?)

However, you see it slung around here on last nites first goal, So thank you for proving my point. You see it slung out on the play the other nite in which the puck ended up on Skinners back pad and Nurse had to reach down and grab it

When you see ppl complaining about "rebound control" on those plays, it proves that somebody actually needs to point out that they are completely oblivious to what they are saying. That is NOT Skinner defending, it's simply pointing out the obvious in context w/ an actual understanding of the play in hand

People expect more from him because he's the so-called "starter" here, when he's plainly not a starting caliber goalie. Pickard is probably better than him and Pickard was a dude from the AHL.
 

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