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This is an interesting/fascinating series looking back in retrospect.

You had two teams among the NHL’s Final Four that didn’t even finish above .500 (a situation that rarely happens.

Since the 1967 expansion, there have been only three other instances of that happening:

Minnesota/St. Louis (1968, where no West Division expansion team had a winning record)

Vancouver/Chicago 1982 (When the only two Campbell Conference teams above .500, ironically Edmonton and Minnesota, lost in the first round), and

Montreal/Philadelphia 2010 (whom had worse records than a non-playoff Calgary team).

Both teams here in ‘91 did some giant slaying to get there- they each beat a pair of 100-point teams in their respective divisions (Chicago, St. Louis, Los Angeles, Calgary).

Considering how those 4 teams had mostly dominated the Campbell Conference that year, it was a real surprise to see none of them reach the third round.

Edmonton was the grizzled veteran defending champion, long in the tooth in some areas, but high on savvy and experience and knowing how to win.

They had played 13 out of a possible 14 exhausting games in the Smythe, flirting with blowing a 3-1 lead vs. the Flames and a boatload of overtimes with the Kings that probably made it seem like they had played more games.

Their heroes- Esa Tikkanen (a game 7 hat trick vs. Calgary, some big goals vs. the Kings) and Grant Fuhr (he had returned from a suspension and seemed to be playing like the money goalie he had been for years).

Minnesota, meanwhile, was a mostly young team save for Brian Bellows and Bobby Smith (a third veteran, Larry Murphy, was surprisingly traded in December considering he had been a 2nd team All Star in 1990).

The North Stars finished way below .500, but even with a dreadful start were never threatened for a Norris playoff spot by Toronto, and weren’t even the playoff team with the worst record that year (Vancouver finished 3 points below them overall Conference-wise).

The North Stars did however play better after that start (They played .500 hockey from January 1 through the rest of the regular season, which amounted to a hot streak in the old Norris Division) and after the All Star break, lost only 1 of their final 15 home games going into the playoffs.

They were a classic case of a team getting better at the right time.

But what really defined this team was a ridiculously hot power play- 25 goals with the man advantage in the Norris playoffs.

And we saw how that played out- 6 game upsets of the NHL’s top two teams record wise in the Blackhawks and Blues (ironic considering that was the only time those teams didn’t play each other in the playoffs from 1988-1993).

Despite Minnesota peaking at the right time and Edmonton having exhausted itself, many expected the Oilers to find a way to the Cup Finals given their experience, savvy, home ice advantage, and two other key reasons....
  1. Since the NHL went to the at the time Divisional playoff format in 1982, the Smythe Division has never lost a Campbell Final to a Norris Division team, with only 1986 (Calgary/St. Louis) going the 7 game distance. 9 out of 9 times, the Norris Division had failed to reach the Cup Finals.
  1. Minnesota had not won at Northlands Coliseum since 1980

But in game 1, Minnesota upended the Northlands jinx with a game 1 road win just as they had done at Chicago/St. Louis. A 3-1 win with..... yup, a power play goal.

Game 2 saw a Petr Klima hat trick for a 7-2 Edmonton win to even the series and many thought the element of surprise might be gone.

In game 3, the North Stars fired back with 7 goals of their own. Grant Fuhr was pulled after giving up 3 first period goals.

But even with that, there was still a feeling that Edmonton wasn’t out of it. They had trailed 2-1 in the 1990 Campbell Conference Finals against Chicago. The ensuing game 4 was one of Mark Messier’s finest hours as an Oiler.

But game 4 would not be a repeat of that.

North Stars 5, Oilers 1.

In game 5, Minnesota jumped out to a 2-0 lead, but Edmonton came back to tie it.

It seemed eerily similar to what had happened the year prior for the Oilers against Winnipeg- lose game 1 at home, salvage a split in game 2, lose games 3-4 on the road, fall behind 2 goals in a potential game 5 elimination game at home, tie the game.

Considering all that, it seemed like savvy experienced Edmonton was ready for a case of deja vu- get the goal, pull off a comeback, ride momentum to another Campbell Conference championship.

But this time, Edmonton did not get the tiebreaking goal.

It was Bobby Smith, the lone holdover from Minnesota’s 1981 Cup Finals team, who did.

Minnesota 3, Edmonton 2.

And that was that.

The Oilers first loss in a conference final. The Norris has actually beaten the Smythe.
The North Stars had beaten the top 2 teams record wise and the defending Stanley Cup champions, all in succession.

The one thing about this series I always found surprising was why the Oilers didn’t make a goalie change to maybe switch momentum.

Fuhr had been pulled in game 3. Ranford had won the Conn Smythe Trophy in 1990.

Considering how many times a goalie switch in the middle of a series can have a positive team effect (Cam Ward 2006, Chris Osgood 2008), the time seemed right.

But Muckler didn’t. Fuhr got lit up again in game 4 and, though he played well in game 5, by that point it still might have been the time.

Two questions about this series:
  1. Do you think Edmonton could have gotten back in the series had they gone to Ranford?
  1. What was the big key for Minnesota’s series win?

Against Chicago, it was the Blackhawks parade of penalties and Minnesota’s power play production.

Against St. Louis, it was the shadow work by Stewart Gavin and Gaetan Duchesne against Brett Hull and Adam Oates.

What was the Edmonton equivalent of that big key and strategy?
 
I think you summarized it well.... brings back some memories, too!

As you say, I think Edmonton was just physically and "spiritually" exhausted. They'd been fighting against it all season (it was the first time in franchise history they had trouble scoring), and with Kurri gone, Messier injured, and Anderson suddenly past-it, it was left to Tikkanen, Simpson, Klima, and the like to do the scoring -- that wasn't quite good enough in the third round.

But two series in a row against Calgary and L.A. just sapped them. Those two teams occupied about 80% of the Oilers' focus in those days.

I remember game 5, at Northlands, well. It's the game that ended the Oilers' dynasty. Messier scored his very last goal/point as an Oiler in the third, and for a moment it seemed like they might pull off the comeback again. But then Bobby Smith got away from Tikkanen and put in the game winner.

(I actually think it's a pity LA lost all those overtime games to Edmonton, because I'm sure they would have beaten Minnesota, setting up a Gretzky vs. Lemieux Final that could have been great.)
 
Great post with some interesting info that I was not aware of.

But a big reason Minnesota got to Conf Finals that year was because of the hideous trade the Blues made at the deadline that year. Head Coach Brian Sutter, love the guy, but he had his hang ups as a HC.

Sudsy didn't care for Geoff Courtnall's defensive game and apparently Sutter and Momesso clashed big time. So Sutter shipped off Courtnall, Momesso and Cliff Ronning for Garth Butcher (cough) and Dan Quinn (double cough). That was basically 1 great line scoring line with 2 speedsters and a power forward. Cost the Blues dearly and helped both Minny and Vancouver to Cup Finals.
 
Edmonton was likely exhausted. They'd won the cup the year before. They had dramatic series with Calgary & LA. That said, I don't think either team would've gotten past Pittsburgh. ( Ultimately Minny didn't).
 
It's actually amazing they only had 68 points considering their calibre of play in the playoffs. They even gave the Penguins a huge scare (up 2-1) until Pittsburgh really played some out of the this world hockey.

My Best-Carey
 


I found a clip of the clincher.

It seemed eerily similar to what had happened the year prior for the Oilers against Winnipeg- lose game 1 at home, salvage a split in game 2, lose games 3-4 on the road, fall behind 2 goals in a potential game 5 elimination game at home, tie the game. (Minus a memorable moment ala Ellett in 2 OT)

Until Smith's go-ahead goal, I thought this was going to be a rerun of that Jets series from '90.
 
I was surprised the North Stars won but was happy they did.

Thought they were better then their record. Lots of vets on that team, lot of playoff experience(North stars) also extremely strong down the middle.

Broten/Modano/Bobby Smith. That's one of the best center lineups for a playoff run maybe ever excluding some dynasties and probably the 90's Wings/Avs.


E- Also the 1991 Oilers/Flames was easily one of the most bloody/brutal hard hitting series I've ever seen.
 
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I remember the Oil losing game three, 7-3, at home, and that's when I knew they were toast. The Dynasty Oilers did not lose 7-3 at home. They were gassed.
E- Also the 1991 Oilers/Flames was easily one of the most bloody/brutal hard hitting series I've ever seen.
When that series was over, they had to bring in Crime Scene Investigators.
 
I remember the Oil losing game three, 7-3, at home, and that's when I knew they were toast. The Dynasty Oilers did not lose 7-3 at home. They were gassed.

When that series was over, they had to bring in Crime Scene Investigators.

That was at at MIN. The home losses were 3-1 and 3-2
 
I was surprised the North Stars won but was happy they did.

Thought they were better then their record. Lots of vets on that team, lot of playoff experience(North stars) also extremely strong down the middle.

Broten/Modano/Bobby Smith. That's one of the best center lineups for a playoff run maybe ever excluding some dynasties and probably the 90's Wings/Avs.

that north stars team was deep af with a pp that got historically hot. like pittsburgh had a pp with mario, coffey, larry murphy, recchi, and kevin stevens, and a second unit with ron francis, jagr, and joey mullen with scott young and trottier on deck and minny’s pp outscored them by almost double digits.

but that forward depth—

bellows broten dahlen

propp gagner modano

a checking line of stew gavin bobby smith and gaetan duchesne

and you don’t want to mess with shane churla and basil mcrae on marc bureau’s wings (reminiscent of the 94 canucks fourth line of john mcintyre between tim hunter and shawn antoski, with gino subbing in occasionally)

the defense was completely forgettable other than mark tinordi playing conn smythe hockey though.

still, that wasn’t a cinderella team; it was a good team that massively underachieved in the regular season.
 
I think you summarized it well.... brings back some memories, too!

(I actually think it's a pity LA lost all those overtime games to Edmonton, because I'm sure they would have beaten Minnesota, setting up a Gretzky vs. Lemieux Final that could have been great.)

Disagree. The North Stars were on a roll and could not be beaten by anyone in the Western Conference. Most of the vets were playing the best hockey in their career. Tinordi was unreal. He never played that well again. The Kings didn't have the depth to win a series against Minnesota that year. The Pens beat them because they too much firepower. -- and the North Stars ran out of gas.
 
What was the big key for Minnesota’s series win?

Two keys in my view:

1) powerplay

Gagner had 3 PP goals in 5 games that series, which is impressive. He, Bellows, Propp, Tinordi....they all were tremendous with the man advantage

2) speed

The Oilers' owner even went on record as saying, "they play like we used to play." Guys like Modano and Bobby Smith were just flying out there.
 
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I think if Edmonton was to win they'd need 6 if not 7 games and honestly probably get swept or beaten in 5 by Pittsburgh.

Don't think Fuhr mattered too much. Ranford is an interesting situation though as he probably earned the starting role after 1990. What was the actual reason Fuhr got the nod in playoffs?
 
I think if Edmonton was to win they'd need 6 if not 7 games and honestly probably get swept or beaten in 5 by Pittsburgh.

Don't think Fuhr mattered too much. Ranford is an interesting situation though as he probably earned the starting role after 1990. What was the actual reason Fuhr got the nod in playoffs?

It is a funny situation isn't it? Ranford gets the nod over Fuhr in 1990 and excels. No arguments there. Unlike what some think, Fuhr was not suspended at this time for the drug use. That happened in the fall of 1990. Fuhr came back by February 1991 and played in the majority of the rest of the games. So I guess because of that they felt he was back and ahead of Ranford in the pecking order? I don't know. As for 1990 I can't remember why Fuhr didn't play in the playoffs. He played in October, November and December and then played a few games in March. I am guessing he was hurt? I can't remember. Remember, Fuhr is still Fuhr in 1991. His reputation preceded him and it isn't crazy to wonder why a coach would want him in there over Ranford.

Ironically, Team Canada picked Ranford in 1991 and snubbed Fuhr.
 
Two keys in my view:
The Oilers' owner even went on record as saying, "they play like we used to play." Guys like Modano and Bobby Smith were just flying out there.

I remember that quote. Bobby Smith looked ten years younger. I'd never seen him play that well, even before he was traded to the Habs. The '91 North Stars should serve as a warning to future teams not to take a bunch of frustrated veterans too lightly in the playoffs. (not that the Oilers did).
 
I remember that series, that Minnesota team was quite the world beaters that spring. I remember being 8 at the time and thinking Edmonton would end their run, I was wrong on that 1.
 

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