Post-Game Talk: Oilers lose 5-2 to Calgary.

guymez

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Problem is they are not worse, they outplayed and lost.

They were 10 points worse last season....so yeah based on a realistic sample size the Oilers are worse.

As for the game...puck possession is great but if you cant execute basic D zone coverage then nothing else matters.
The Flames deserved to win because they took care of the details...the Oilers didnt.
If you look at 10 bell scoring chances this game was no contest.
 

voxel

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Really for me and a ton of other fans the only thing that matters is the wins and losses. I could care less if we played 'great' for 2 1/2 periods and lost. I take zero encouragement from this, none at all. We have been in the 'look at the positives mode' for years now.

Just win baby.

So you want false hope... ala Colorado? Get outshot 2 to 1 every night and squeak by? We've had that in the past ourselves... many do I wish we had a 4th line like Brodziak + Glencross and Huggy bear during that 20-game shootout win days. There, I said it. I want Huggy back... only if the other two were traded back :)
 

Beatle17

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The Oilers defensive coverage was a joke, and they should take heat because of it. But I'm not going to give the goaltending a free pass because of that. Sometimes your goalie just needs to step up and stop shots in spite of piss poor lapses. It's what separates great goaltending and average goaltending.

http://scores.espn.go.com/nhl/gamecast?gameId=400564847

I think everyone needs to look at this. The Flames had 14 shots from the prime scoring area and got 4 goals. The Oilers had 7 with 0 goals. 40 shots is nice but when they are from the boards and blueline they don't usually score on NHL goalies.
 

dyzfunctioned

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Schultz had a good game (yes I'm a aware -2) and no one has ever said he is a Norris candidate...

I agree he shouldn't play the most minutes but when you're down most of the game it's reasonable to expect offensive players to get the minutes.

Have to disagree about him having a good game. However, MacT has actually stated he believes Schultz is a future Norris candidate.

As far as the second statement, that's kind of contradictory seeing as Eakins put out the 4th line after the 4th goal.
 

guymez

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http://scores.espn.go.com/nhl/gamecast?gameId=400564847

I think everyone needs to look at this. The Flames had 14 shots from the prime scoring area and got 4 goals. The Oilers had 7 with 0 goals. 40 shots is nice but when they are from the boards and blueline they don't usually score on NHL goalies.

By my eyes I completely agree that the Flames had way more top notch scoring chances but I am not see that info in the link you included.
 

Beatle17

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By my eyes I completely agree that the Flames had way more top notch scoring chances but I am not see that info in the link you included.

When you open it up just click on the ice surface and the shots come up (I am not too computer literate so have trouble with links). And use the trapezoid width as defining the prime scoring area and you will see what I mentioned.
 

Everest

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I think it's important to allow this young squad a 8-10 game grace period where fans/media DO NOT dwell on the negatives.

There were some glaring & costly errors last night...but...the franchise needs a fighting chance to crawl from under the rock of scrutiny & they'll never be able to do this if everyone calls for heads to roll each time a few mistakes cost the club some points in the standings.

I loved the way they dominated the game after the poor start. I think if they can start the next few games the way they played through the middle of last nights game...good things can come of it, soon enough.

Looking forward to seeing Fasth play on Saturday night. He's been the better tendy in pre-season...by a wide margin.
 

OilerFan4Life

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Holy cow at the over reaction.

We outshot them 40-26.

How many games did we have 40 shots last year?

We were clearly the better team and dominated for stretches of the game...how often have we seen that?

Advanced stats have proven (aside from oddball cases like Colorado riding a hot goalie) that over the course of the year you are who you are and if the Oilers outshot their opponents like last night, they'll win quite a few games.

The Eakins bashing....what I will say is that not playing the final roster together once was a mistake. They should have iced the entire starting unit in one of the Vancouver games....don't honestly tell me we needed to see some of the OKC guys in the final 2 games.
 

sundaysleftovers

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Holy cow at the over reaction.

We outshot them 40-26.

How many games did we have 40 shots last year?

We were clearly the better team and dominated for stretches of the game...how often have we seen that?

Advanced stats have proven (aside from oddball cases like Colorado riding a hot goalie) that over the course of the year you are who you are and if the Oilers outshot their opponents like last night, they'll win quite a few games.

The Eakins bashing....what I will say is that not playing the final roster together once was a mistake. They should have iced the entire starting unit in one of the Vancouver games....don't honestly tell me we needed to see some of the OKC guys in the final 2 games.

I think it just hurts a lil more then a regular loss because it is the Flames :(

I also think the team will be good this year.
 

McDNicks17

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Holy cow at the over reaction.

We outshot them 40-26.

How many games did we have 40 shots last year?

We were clearly the better team and dominated for stretches of the game...how often have we seen that?

Advanced stats have proven (aside from oddball cases like Colorado riding a hot goalie) that over the course of the year you are who you are and if the Oilers outshot their opponents like last night, they'll win quite a few games.

The Eakins bashing....what I will say is that not playing the final roster together once was a mistake. They should have iced the entire starting unit in one of the Vancouver games....don't honestly tell me we needed to see some of the OKC guys in the final 2 games.

Outshooting your opponent doesn't really do much when you're giving up just as many or more high quality scoring chances against.
 

Dorian2

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I see a lot of posts saying that Yakupov got benched in the 3rd period, but looking at the shift charts it seems to me that he maybe missed 1 shift. Both he and Draisaitl saw less ice time in the 3rd, but it wasn't much less compared to the 1st two periods.

1st Period

Draisaitl: 8 shifts, 4:55 total
Yakupov: 8 shofts, 4:54 total

2nd Period

Draisaitl: 6 shifts, 5:10 total
Yakupov: 6 shifts, 5:15 total

3rd Period

Draisaitl: 7 shifts, 4:42 total
Yakupov: 6 shifts, 3:58 total

The only time Draisaitl was out there when Yakupov wasn't, was a 12 second shift by Draisaitl at 10:04. The rest of the time difference in the 3rd between them came from Draisaitl taking longer shifts on a few occasions.

As far as I can tell, that was the extent of his "benching".

It sure didn't seem like they were on the ice for that long. I guess they disappeared after that huge 2nd period as well.

So the top 2 lines decide to do a disappearing act in the 3rd and we lose the game.

Who knew.
 

UglyStupidAds

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Holy cow at the over reaction.

We outshot them 40-26.

How many games did we have 40 shots last year?

We were clearly the better team and dominated for stretches of the game...how often have we seen that?

Advanced stats have proven (aside from oddball cases like Colorado riding a hot goalie) that over the course of the year you are who you are and if the Oilers outshot their opponents like last night, they'll win quite a few games.

The Eakins bashing....what I will say is that not playing the final roster together once was a mistake. They should have iced the entire starting unit in one of the Vancouver games....don't honestly tell me we needed to see some of the OKC guys in the final 2 games.
I'm impressed by the overall improvement in possession by the Oilers. The Gordon line in particular had some great pressure and cycling throughout the game.

That said I wish fans, media and the team would stop using shot differential as the holy grail of indicators. It is definitely important but possession is only going to lead to wins if the Oilers can maintain basic coverage in their own zone. As long as they fail at this important aspect of the game they will continue to be a poor to mediocre team.

Let's look at the goals Calgary scored (not in order)

Raymond's tip on Giordano's point shot - everyone is so focused on the puck carrier behind the goal line that somehow the pass goes all the way to the point for a shot through traffic that neither winger is able to block.

Raymond's partial breakaway - this one I'll chalk up to Raymond's speed mostly but I would argue that both defenders should've been backing off sooner.

Raymond's backdoor goal - This should be a two on two play but Schultz is a lazy MOFO in his own zone and allows Raymond to get to the backdoor unimpeded and to make the easy tap in

Brodie's goal - on the PP three Oiler defenders are drawn below the goal line to check 1 Calgary player allowing Brodie to walk in and wire it past Scrivens

Hudler's goal - Mark Fayne with a soft play receiving the puck and the centre of the ice is wide open for Hudler to tap in the centring pass.

As long as the Oilers give up these prime time opportunities it won't matter how badly they outshoot their opponents.
 

UglyStupidAds

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Boy do the Oilers ever love Justin Schultz. Here is the EV TOI for the Oilers

Player|EV TOI
Justin Schultz|20:56
Brad Hunt|18:04
Nikita Nikitin|17:52
Mark Fayne|17:42
Jeff Petry|16:13
Andrew Ference|16:01

Jeff Petry on the 3rd pairing obviously. What a joke. Justin Schultz should be a PP specialist and playing 3rd pairing minutes, while Jeff Petry should be the top EV defender for the Oilers.
 

OilerFan4Life

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Boy do the Oilers ever love Justin Schultz. Here is the EV TOI for the Oilers

Player|EV TOI
Justin Schultz|20:56
Brad Hunt|18:04
Nikita Nikitin|17:52
Mark Fayne|17:42
Jeff Petry|16:13
Andrew Ference|16:01

Jeff Petry on the 3rd pairing obviously. What a joke. Justin Schultz should be a PP specialist and playing 3rd pairing minutes, while Jeff Petry should be the top EV defender for the Oilers.


Without seeing a detailed table I'm going to assume that the majority of Schultz' minutes were from attacking zone faceoffs and Petry on defensive zone draws....with us controlling most of the game, Schultz gets more ice time.
 

OilerFan4Life

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From Scott Cullen of TSN:

There are some score effects in a 5-2 game, but Oilers C Ryan Nugent-Hopkins was on for 23 attempts for, 6 against (79.3%). When the score was close (within one in the first two periods or tied in the third), Nugent Hopkins was still on for 18 for and 5 against (78.3%) during 5-on-5 play.


That's a dominating performance by Nuge.
 

OiledUp

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A couple of bad defensive breakdowns where the d-men and Scrivens sort of combined to screw up.
Scrivens looked shaky all game, not just on the goals, fighting the puck all over.
Fayne was a mixed bag, a few really good defensive plays a few really bad defensive plays, I write it up as a new system and a more intense conference, you can tell he's a smart player.
Nikitin probably could've used a few more days to get back on track after his injury, not a very good bight, but he is one of those guys who looks worse than he is due to his clumsy style.
Schultz looked sloppy. Hunt good offensively, bad when he had to defend, a better defenseman gets a stick on the passer for the first goal against, not sure his shot and offense is worth not having the more active D of Nurse/Klef/Marincin on the ice for. Ference probably should be in the PB for a few this year. Petry was Petry, glourious in spurts, terribly stupid at times.

Hall didn't look like he was firing at all cylinders. RNH looked like the string of a violin. Eberle just don't care, he's a 55 feet player, he's excellent in those 55 feet, but when not there he's just annoying. That line needs to step it up.

Pouliot had some good and some bad, not the brightest player at times but very toolsy and a great fit on that line. Drai looked nervous at first got going as the game went on, he looks very strong on the dot with the ability to win his fo's cleanly and his D looks like it'll be an asset sooner rather than later, didn't create a lot of offense but it'll come. Yak was great defensively, he's taking the two-way thing seriously, had a lot of good plays offensively as well, probably our best player alongside Joensuu last night imo. Why didn't they get more ice in the third again?

Purcell is a real live NHLer and will provide us secondary scoring. Arcobello played smart defensively but didn't give much offensive support. Perron was terrible for most of the game. That trio looked so-so, I think Perron needs to drive the line for it to work.

The fourth line looked great. Hopefully noone tells Joensuu that pre-season isn't over, best game I've seen him have as an Oiler. Gordon moved the puck up ice well, had a few positional mishaps in the D-zone but overall very good. Hendricks is pretty pointless with the puck on his stick but he's great at separating guys from the puck.

Losing this way sucks, the d-men as a whole needs to step up, noone really had much of a game and those junior breakdowns needs to stop from the whole team. The first line just need to get their **** together, they were the line that seemed to get stuck most in the d-zone and they need to get more grade A looks offensively. They should carry this team 5 on 5, not just on the PP. Goaltending needs to get better, we'll see what Fasth can show us, he's at least a more calm goalie stylewise, Scrivens was very messy.

On the plus side Yak looks like a new player, great decisions most of the time, passed up on some shots but otherwise very clever. Drai held his own on D and showed some promise on the other side, once he finds his groove I think we'll see more offense as well.
The forecheck looked solid, there were some systemic play offensively that we didn't see at all last season, they usually got the puck out of their own zone quickly, didn't get hemmed as much as we saw last year, albeit against Calgary.

We lost 2-5 against one of the worst teams in the league that's never good and Eakins had some questionable coaching in the 3rd but at least there was some structure in the teamgame that we didn't see through all of last year.

We did corsi the crap out of them so at least Tyler Dellow is happy... :D And no I'm not looking for a debate, only a bad joke so just walk it off boys.
 

Tarus

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Boy do the Oilers ever love Justin Schultz. Here is the EV TOI for the Oilers

Player|EV TOI
Justin Schultz|20:56
Brad Hunt|18:04
Nikita Nikitin|17:52
Mark Fayne|17:42
Jeff Petry|16:13
Andrew Ference|16:01

Jeff Petry on the 3rd pairing obviously. What a joke. Justin Schultz should be a PP specialist and playing 3rd pairing minutes, while Jeff Petry should be the top EV defender for the Oilers.

It's probable that Petry's ice time was reflective of his lack of time in the preseason due to injury, more than a specific favoritism.

I would say there are bigger issues on defense; like Nikitin showing why the Blue Jackets were scratching him in favor of Nick Shultz; Fayne doing his best Cory Cross imitation; Andrew Ference looking like he should retire.
 

frag2

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You need to get Eberle off the top line. He's become Sykora lazy.

Yep. People wonder why Hall and Nuge barge through head on...well Ebs isn't exactly picking up his play or pulling his weight
 

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