Post-Game Talk: Oilers lose 3-2 in OT ...so close, yet so far

[Raab]

I would rather have a GM like Burke that has the balls to make a move than Tambellini. He lost the Kessel trade (but at least got a very good piece in return) but won the Phanuef, Lupul, and JVR trades. Lowe was a lot more willing to make moves as well. Sitting on his hands and staying the course when the team absolutely stinks is shameful. Players don't develop on their own, they need to have a good team around them to really thrive. If Datsyuk was drafted by the Oilers he would be a 4th liner in the Swiss league given how we develop players.

Burke took a risk on the Kessel deal. The chances of that pick ending up top two were pretty slim. I don't think anyone would say it was a bad deal if he had given up two 8th's instead.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

I have already posted my opinion on the matter and how I can see things being done...a GM needs to do his job but the catch is it needed to be done BEFORE this season started. Now it becomes harder but it is still doable with a savy enough GM.

Unfortunately the Oilers don't have that GM.

There weren't exactly a plethora of trades being done before this season that I can think of.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012–13_NHL_transactions#January A quick peek here reveals most were just waiver moves and a few minor trades.

 

[Raab]

We did have that guy. Kevin Lowe. We almost moved 4 firsts for Vanek for christ sales.

You mean the guy whos tied for 3rd overall in the points race? If we got Vanek theres no way this team is bad enough to pick 1st overall once, let alone 3 times.

 

[flashy]

Burke took a risk on the Kessel deal. The chances of that pick ending up top two were pretty slim. I don't think anyone would say it was a bad deal if he had given up two 8th's instead.

Yep. When people use that as an example of Burke being a bad GM I shake my head.

As if he knowingly traded those picks. Most people had Toronto as a border playoff team. If those picks ended up 10th 12th, we'd be hearing about he great fleecing for kessel

 

[nabob]

It's not a bad idea, I'd like to see RNH with Yakupov though.

MPS Gagner Eberle
Jones RNH Yakupov
Hall Belanger Hemsky

Belanger is such a black hole offensively though, argh.

With Hall and Hemsky as wingers he would never touch the puck. Would actually be a great spot for Horcoff if he was healthy.

 

[Soundwave]

Burke is a good GM, people are just mad over his Lowe feud, he's a hot head no doubt. But he is a good GM.

The Canucks are nothing today if it wasn't for him swinging that Sedin draft day deal, and he also drafted Kesler too, those are the cornerstones that have set that franchise up for the last 5-6 years.

He came into a good situation in Anaheim sure, but how many GMs come into a great situation and can't get the job done? He did, can't argue with that.

He won most of the trades in Toronto, IMO he was pushed by management to pursue Kessel, but even there if that pick is any lower, Toronto wins that deal too. It's not like Kessel is a scrub and Seguin is Crosby either.

 

[Moonlapse Vertigo]

Hall belongs on the first line. He's the only one out of the three kids that does right now.

 

[guymez]

Again it's that "win now" mentality that plagued us for years and is currently plaguing Calgary.

You have to overpay to get people to come here. Marian Hossa turned down a long term deal worth something like 9 million per year for a year in Detroit.

Where did I say anything about a 'win now' approach?

And now your back to Hossa again.

I am getting he distinct impression you just see what you want to see and just keep repeating the same excuse filled nonsense over and over.

Rinse...repeat.

Sorry GK...I haven't the patience for a circular argument.

I'm out.

 

[Raab]

Again it's that "win now" mentality that plagued us for years and is currently plaguing Calgary.

You have to overpay to get people to come here. Marian Hossa turned down a long term deal worth something like 9 million per year for a year in Detroit.

That was a rumour, I heard the number was closer to 7.

 

[shoop]

It's not a bad idea, I'd like to see RNH with Yakupov though.

MPS Gagner Eberle
Jones RNH Yakupov
Hall Belanger Hemsky.

Petry definitely should sit out the next game.

The Oil have the luxury of too many healthy forwards so people will have to sit in the press box more. With Hall coming back how about sitting Nuge for one game to get him focused?

Hall Eberle Jones
Smyth Gagner Hemsky
Paajarvi Belanger Yak
Eager VV Petrell

Smid J. Schultz
Fistric Potter
N. Schultz Peckham

Khabibulin (Great game. Make Dubnyk earn the number one job.)

 

[jbean]

Dumb luck has intervened repeatedly to keep this franchise from being much worse than it is now.

Very true. The Pronger trade would've been much worse if it wasn't for the 22nd overall pick that ended in great fortune as well. Not to mention we should have Murray on the IR and be without Yakupov and Schultz if it wasn't for a huge amount of luck.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Yep. When people use that as an example of Burke being a bad GM I shake my head.

As if he knowingly traded those picks. Most people had Toronto as a border playoff team. If those picks ended up 10th 12th, we'd be hearing about he great fleecing for kessel

Trading a pair of firsts is a lot for any player. And it's not as if Toronto was a perennial playoff team at the time either.

And it's not just that trade. It's the inability to identify good goaltending.

 

[McDeepika]

It's not a bad idea, I'd like to see RNH with Yakupov though.

MPS Gagner Eberle
Jones RNH Yakupov
Hall Belanger Hemsky

Belanger is such a black hole offensively though, argh.

Ya those look fine too. It doesn't really matter how, I would just like to see them make 3 duo's with our skilled guys (Hall, Hemsky, RNH, Gagner, Eberle, Yakupov) and then fill in the rest of the spots with Jones, Paajarvi and Belanger.

Belanger is pretty inept offensively, but I think with Hall on that line it would be alright. He can pretty much single handedly create chances out of nothing.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Where did I say anything about a 'win now' approach?

And now your back to Hossa again.

I am getting he distinct impression you just see what you want to see and just keep repeating the same excuse filled nonsense over and over.

Rinse...repeat.

Sorry GK...I haven't the patience for a circular argument.

I'm out.

You were talking about Vanek, right? Or did I miss something? Because I'm pretty sure you were. That was during the "win now" years.

 

[coolwasabi]

- Very lucky to pick up the point.
- Khabi played well.
- Hossa's OT winner was all Petry. Bad gap control. Lost his man twice. Took a pointless stroll behind the net.
- Our powerplay still looking good.
- JSchultz with a decent game.
- Eberle is lacking confidence; possible explanation for overpassing; same with RNH.
- RNH looks really bad out there; possibly hurting.
- Yak's one timer was NICE. His constant giveaways are not. I'm fine with his benching. He needs to learn.
- Petrell played well.
- Blackhawks are good. They made a poor effort by the Oilers look VERY poor.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

That was a rumour, I heard the number was closer to 7.

Regardless he turned down a long-term deal worth a lot of money to play with a winning team for a single year.

 

[Raab]

Because you don't trade players like that to fill needs. Whoever bends you over in that deal will be laughing at you in 3 years, book it.

Nugent Hopkins as far as I'm concerned IS the Oilers. They go nowhere without him, they are a nothing franchise in the middle of nowhere with his skillset gone. Have to be patient and let him develop into his body. Hemsky and Gagner take this franchise nowhere, they are complimentary players.

Hemsky was our marquee forward during the 06 cup run. Just saying

 

[Soundwave]

Very true. The Pronger trade would've been much worse if it wasn't for the 22nd overall pick that ended in great fortune as well. Not to mention we should have Murray on the IR and be without Yakupov and Schultz if it wasn't for a huge amount of luck.

Burke fleeced us for Pronger no freaking doubt.

We should have insisted on Getzlaf, he knew he was giving us magic beans in Lupul.

Luckily that late 1st pick turned out golden for us, but really that was a bit of a fluke.

 

[jbean]

Also for the record I don't think Burke is a bad GM. He maybe isn't the best GM to go through a rebuild with (he's too proud to lose) but since we are a team trying to get out of a rebuild I think that he could do a good job in Edmonton. For better or worse moves would be made. It's better than the living death that is Tambellini's tenure.

 

[Soundwave]

Also for the record I don't think Burke is a bad GM. He maybe isn't the best GM to go through a rebuild with (he's too proud to lose) but since we are a team trying to get out of a rebuild I think that he could do a good job in Edmonton. For better or worse moves would be made. It's better than the living death that is Tambellini's tenure.

He's at bare minimum at least as good of a GM as Lowe was in 05-06 IMO. That team overachieved on Roli's shoulders, but Burke is a good GM, people love to harp on any failure he has because he's a loud mouth and makes himself an easy target.

But that doesn't mean he can't get the job done.

Who gives a crap what he said about Lowe like 4 years ago, lol, people on this board have said far worse about Lowe since then.

 

[jmoss45]

That was a rumour, I heard the number was closer to 7.

9 mil x 9 years was what Matheson had in the journal. Thats what most people go by.

 

[DareDoiler]

Because you don't trade players like that to fill needs. Whoever bends you over in that deal will be laughing at you in 3 years, book it.

Nugent Hopkins as far as I'm concerned IS the Oilers. They go nowhere without him, they are a nothing franchise in the middle of nowhere with his skillset gone. Have to be patient and let him develop into his body. Hemsky and Gagner take this franchise nowhere, they are complimentary players.

If nuge is our Tavares then great. But (I know you didn't say this) hall, nuge, eberle, yak, Shultz, Gagner, hemsky can't all be the oilers. If we were winning then sure. Hell, even if we were losing but truly competing, it would be ok.

But when generally, minus flashes of brilliance, the team is getting outplayed, changes need to be made.

You don't need to worry about galchenyuk making mistakes, or seguin, or whoever, because they are on good teams with good systems. These players are allowed to have there 3-4 years to grow into he game. The diffence is on the oilers, these kids are expected to pave the road while carrying othe kids.

The team that got got nuge would totally win the trade long term. But that would probably have more to do with nuge having a proper chance to succeed on their team. On the Oilers, its more shoulder shrugging and expecting that when his drivers license says 22 all is going to be well.

 

[Tarus]

Meh game from the Oilers, but it's the type of game where you can identify who the Oiler's best player is, and that's because he's not playing due to suspension. The team just looks so much worse without him.

Doesn't matter if he charges opposing defenses, doesn't matter if main board goofs want to stand around calling him stupid, doesn't matter if he misses breakaway chances, he's become an irreplacable component to the future of the team. You don't have to look much farther than RNH/Ebs floundering against stiffer competition, while Hall has managed to remain a dynamic player.

Little disappointed to see Yak play so little, but he had some really jumpy shifts defensively. It's not really suprising that an NHL coach is going to shut down a rookie against a strong team on a night he doesn't look like he's processing the game too well.

 

[guymez]

Very true. The Pronger trade would've been much worse if it wasn't for the 22nd overall pick that ended in great fortune as well. Not to mention we should have Murray on the IR and be without Yakupov and Schultz if it wasn't for a huge amount of luck.

Indeed.
Unfortunately the lines have become blurry regarding the difference between a good GM and a lucky one.

It would be a crying shame at this point to squander all that good fortune.

 

[I am the Liquor]

Wtf is everyone talking about Burke for?