KevinRedkey
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Zub is one of two good defencemen in Ottawa. It would take a "I can't say no" kind of offer to pry him away. This is not one of those offers.
Proposal: Oilers fix their Defense
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BoldNewLettuce
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If I'm ottawa zub is untouchable.
GaryPoppins
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Uhhh.. maybe start with a goalie?In two trades. Simple.
Artem Zub (RHD)
Tyson Barrie
Oilers 1st 2022
Conditional 3rd 2023, becomes a 2nd if the Oilers do literally anything in the playoffs.
and...
Carson Soucy
Zack Kassian
Oilers 1st 2023
McVespa99
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Did Zub lead the league in scoring for dmen last year? Every player has strengths and weaknesses. A good fit depends on a teams needs.
That's fair. But Zub has played at a consistently high level since he got to Ottawa. Barrie seems pretty up and down.
I'm not saying Barrie is worthless, and I disagree with a lot of the takes about him on the mains. But I don't think you'll find anyone but some Oiler fans who would think they're close in value. One is a legit 3/4 defensive rock, the other is a PP specialist who brings nothing to your team defense and is only an asset if you need someone to QB your powerplay. Even in Edmonton he's quickly becoming redundant due to Bouchard, who is a rookie. I'd rather have the guy who can stop the other team from scoring, personally. I feel like most teams would prioritize that over a PP QB.
But I agree that a players value is usually tied to whatever team feels he fits with them moreso than what other players get.
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First Barrie has produced points his whole career. To the second most teams would want some of each. if you dont have a good pp quarterback you are looking for one. The Oilers looked for one for years and years. It just happens that Bouchard is just as good or better, and is cheaper, and younger...
Barrie's contract screams buyout. That's gonna cost a bit to get rid of.
Honestly I'd go full out with Arizona. Barrie + Kassian + Koskinen + 1st + 2nd + Holloway? + Other good prospect, maybe even Bouchard = Chychrun + Wedgewood
Honestly I'd go full out with Arizona. Barrie + Kassian + Koskinen + 1st + 2nd + Holloway? + Other good prospect, maybe even Bouchard = Chychrun + Wedgewood
LTIR
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Barrie is underpaid for his production and there should be some teams out looking to add offense from Blueline.
4M for him is not screaming 'buyout'.. if he was making 6M per then sure
Costing Edmonton 1st to offset unloading Barrie is just a dumb take.
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The guy that lead the league in scoring for dmen last year that is paid 4.5 million a year screams buyout? And is only signed for 3 years which ends when he is 33. Come back to this planet man. You are completely delusional. Barrie is not great as a shutdown guy but if he is used properly he is a valuable player. And signed to a cheap contract based on his production. Not just recently but for his whole career.
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Zub could be available if he isn't interested in renewing his contract.
The package offered is fair in a vacuum; but Ottawa probably asks for something other than Barrie.
Eh, I'd be comfortable putting money on it.
Guys a plug defensively who is seemingly getting replaced by a rookie as QB. On a team that doesn't have a 2nd PP unit.
If you could get a 5th for him right now I'd consider that one of Hollands better moves.
LTIR
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'The rookie' is better than anyone on Flames D.
This is not Kylington outscoring Giordano. Bouchard is a legit PPQB who has lit lower leagues up on PP ..
Haha shoulda had some faith and not pissed away money on Barrie then.
That is probably what will trigger the buyout, clearing space for Bouchards 9M. Sounds like hes already better than Nurse so should be a steal
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Im not saying he would bring a huge return but he is not a cap dump either. He is "seemingly" getting replaced by a rookie because that rookie is a special offensive talent and brings a dimension to the PP that fits better with the other players on the PP than Barrie's skill set does. Even though Barrie has been successful. Im not even commenting on the trade proposal. Im just trying to enlighten the less knowledgeable posters on Barrie's value. To say a 30 year old, right handed dman that lead the league in scoring for D last year has no value or is worth a 5th at best is nonsense. Especially on a team friendly 4.5 contract.
LTIR
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Signing Barrie made Bear expendable so there is that. 4.5M for Barrie wasn't bad considering his production last season . Having faith in a rookie would have been typical Oiler.
McVespa99
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I didn't even think that was controversial. Everyone knew the contract Barrie signed was going to be horrendous. And it's just going to get worse
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You move Barrie to a team with more own zone defensemen and in need of an offensive/PP specialist in a cap for cap move. Not with a first for a better player in a cap dump.
ManofSteel55
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He's only been "replaced" on the PP because he had an injury. That rookie is doing pretty well back there as well.
ManofSteel55
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This would be ideal, but I don't know if any teams have a glut of own zone defensemen that are desperate for an offensive defenseman. It might need to be two different trades - Barrie to one team for picks, and then picks out for a shut down defenseman. I know, easier said than done on getting two deals when he can't get one done.
Yeah that was on one of my trade proposals lol. Idk honestly the trades i sent you seem to work i mean other than that chychrun which i really over paid comparing to what teams have offered so far.
KevinRedkey
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I'd take him on the Sens for free, or any one of Josh Brown, Zaitsev, or Mete. He's an upgrade over either of them regardless of cost. It's not like Ottawa needs the cap space.
Or even...
Matt Murray $ 4.500 (1.750 retained)
for
Barrie @ 4.500
My point is I don't think it will cost anything to get rid of Barrie.
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