Confirmed with Link: Oilers Do Not Match Broberg ($4.58M X2) & Holloway ($2.29M x 2) Offer Sheets | Oilers acquire STL 3rd '28 & Paul Fischer for Futures

[Jumptheshark]

That's 7 million in cap space for 2 players, who may not contribute much on a cup contending team. They could use the money to bring in a Tarasenko and Chychrun type at the deadline.

We have 900k right now. We are banking on Kane going on LTIR.

 

[McDNicks17]

We have 900k right now. We are banking on Kane going on LTIR.

That's $900k with a 22 man roster.

The whole point of all the moves is so they don't have to put Kane on LTIR, so they can accrue cap space.

 

[Jumptheshark]

I think you know that I am not the conspiracy theory type. But reading between the lines, and even some of the actual lines, it sounds like Broberg's plan was not a decent contract for his current value but to get out of Dodge by hook or by crook. It sure looks like he was not happy with his prospects as an Oiler. BY playing it the way his camp did I think that is a big sign that he was not on board with the program of having him play the second pairing RHD slot.

Now if there was a "mistake" here it was in not getting something done with Holloway earlier. But even then it may not have been nearly as easy as it may seem. It sure looks like the Broberg OS plan was to get Holloway involved early as a pawn to force the Oilers into letting Broberg walk. Even listening to Holloway it sure sounds like he did not expect to end up a Blue. My guess is that if he could go back he would have probably not taken this route.

The Oilers have over the last few years really botched their cap management. Neither of the last two Gm's were at all creative in handling the cap. Most of this is on Holland but Chia still bears some blame. He was very reactive and not at all creative. A series of his moves also triggered moves by Holland , who may have been even less creative, that had cap implications even today. That left the Oilers vulnerable to a move like this. But pretty much every top contender has been in a similar position and has acted in a much similar manner without the result of an OS. Is it that St. Louis was set on breaking the norm, or was this a perfect opportunity since the player actually wanted out. Frankly, I now believe it was a combination of the two.

As to the Brown signing, as a hockey move that is still up in the air. But that contract can be fully buried so I don't think it had any significant impact on signing a guy like Holloway.

Broberg wanted out. He did not feel he should have started on the farm last year. He and his agent felt he was ready oilers did not. He parleyed his playoffs to leave.

I believe the oilers were low balling him with the Bouchard and Leon contracts coming up.

 

[Pavel10]

Watching both the interviews with Broberg and Holloway neither of them look happy to be in St Louis. They said they re excited but lack of smiling and body language was totally telling.

At least Cody ceci is going to one of the nicest places in the world but same can't be said about St Louis of all places.

 

[Jumptheshark]

Watching both the interviews with Broberg and Holloway neither of them look happy to be in St Louis. They said they re excited but lack of smiling and body language was totally telling.

At least Cody ceci is going to one of the nicest places in the world but same can't be said about St Louis of all places.

Broberg wanted out and Dylan thought the oilers would match

 

[Pavel10]

Broberg wanted out and Dylan thought the oilers would match

Broberg was even more stoic in his body language than Holloway. Some people think they want soenthing and when they get it realize it may not have been the best decision.

 

[North]

As someone that felt like one of the very few fans of the player, I’m a bit puzzled by how big of a loss some think Broberg is

His value was gone once he signed that ridiculous contract.

This. I like both players and wish we had been able to sign them to reasonable deals.

Unfortunately the offer sheets made that impossible.

We managed to replace them with guys at a fraction of the cost.

I do think this was designed to make Broberg a Blue and Holloway remain an Oiler but I think they miscalculated a few things.

One is Holloway wasn’t drafted by either Jackson or Bowman. GMs tend to be attached to their own picks.

Also he allowed himself to be the poison pill to facilitate Broberg leaving. That’s got to leave a bad taste in management’s mouths.

 

[Jumptheshark]

Broberg leaving hurts more than Hallaway

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

StL building something special my ass. Just be honest and say you wanted the money you little Calgarian prick.

I hope Holloway chokes.

 

[smokersarejokers]

StL building something special my ass. Just be honest and say you wanted the money you little Calgarian prick.

I hope Holloway chokes.

Ok that's a little harsh. Jesus Christ. Move on.

Yeah he wanted the money. He's well within the rules. We also have no idea what goes on behind the scenes.

 

[Pavel10]

StL building something special my ass. Just be honest and say you wanted the money you little Calgarian prick.

I hope Holloway chokes.

He said that. Then he cleaned it up like you said "we couldn't really agree on a number in Edmonton and this offer sheet was out there for me"

Yeah then he drops the cliché "I'm excited to be part of the Taliban all stars" that is said regardless of team and player.

 

[Canovin]

Watching both the interviews with Broberg and Holloway neither of them look happy to be in St Louis. They said they re excited but lack of smiling and body language was totally telling.

At least Cody ceci is going to one of the nicest places in the world but same can't be said about St Louis of all places.

Buyers remorse but in the form of signing offersheets

 

[MoontoScott]

That's $900k with a 22 man roster.

The whole point of all the moves is so they don't have to put Kane on LTIR, so they can accrue cap space.

Can you please expand on how this works with regards to injuries and LTIR? You know the rules better than I do. Cap relief versus cap being accrued? I think a few guys on here apart from myself would benefit from your answer.

 

[M Ace]

They lost the three worst D men on the team and some here are acting like the D corps was gutted. Absurd stuff IMO

Ceci -5 and Descharnais -9 in the playoffs. Just sayin'....

 

[Canovin]

This. I like both players and wish we had been able to sign them to reasonable deals.

Unfortunately the offer sheets made that impossible.

We managed to replace them with guys at a fraction of the cost.

I do think this was designed to make Broberg a Blue and Holloway remain an Oiler but I think they miscalculated a few things.

One is Holloway wasn’t drafted by either Jackson or Bowman. GMs tend to be attached to their own picks.

Also he allowed himself to be the poison pill to facilitate Broberg leaving. That’s got to leave a bad taste in management’s mouths.

I don't agree with the first highlight as Bouchard wasn't their pick either. GMs know who's a good player or not regardless if it's their pick or not.

I agree with the second highlight. It's gotta leave a bad taste for management and the players. It's like your gf cheating on you and you welcoming her back

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

Ok that's a little harsh. Jesus Christ. Move on.

Yeah he wanted the money. He's well within the rules. We also have no idea what goes on behind the scenes.

f*** him.

 

[Canovin]

StL building something special my ass. Just be honest and say you wanted the money you little Calgarian prick.

I hope Holloway chokes.

He and his family are not hurting for cash. Look at that view from the window. It's like 30 mins from the mountains which makes his decision head scratching. He could have signed that 1.1M as reported and make 3M or more in 2 years while learning from McDrai

 

[Canovin]

That's $900k with a 22 man roster.

The whole point of all the moves is so they don't have to put Kane on LTIR, so they can accrue cap space.

Being able to run 22 man roster is refreshing and should be able to get the Oilers some extra wins early. This is the right decision given we were in a bad situation a week ago

 

[Jumptheshark]

I am almost feeling bad for the welcome that the two will get when they return for the first time.

I vote toss monopoly money at em

 

[SupremeTeam16]

I think you know that I am not the conspiracy theory type. But reading between the lines, and even some of the actual lines, it sounds like Broberg's plan was not a decent contract for his current value but to get out of Dodge by hook or by crook. It sure looks like he was not happy with his prospects as an Oiler. BY playing it the way his camp did I think that is a big sign that he was not on board with the program of having him play the second pairing RHD slot.

Now if there was a "mistake" here it was in not getting something done with Holloway earlier. But even then it may not have been nearly as easy as it may seem. It sure looks like the Broberg OS plan was to get Holloway involved early as a pawn to force the Oilers into letting Broberg walk. Even listening to Holloway it sure sounds like he did not expect to end up a Blue. My guess is that if he could go back he would have probably not taken this route.

The Oilers have over the last few years really botched their cap management. Neither of the last two Gm's were at all creative in handling the cap. Most of this is on Holland but Chia still bears some blame. He was very reactive and not at all creative. A series of his moves also triggered moves by Holland , who may have been even less creative, that had cap implications even today. That left the Oilers vulnerable to a move like this. But pretty much every top contender has been in a similar position and has acted in a much similar manner without the result of an OS. Is it that St. Louis was set on breaking the norm, or was this a perfect opportunity since the player actually wanted out. Frankly, I now believe it was a combination of the two.

As to the Brown signing, as a hockey move that is still up in the air. But that contract can be fully buried so I don't think it had any significant impact on signing a guy like Holloway.

I do think Broberg was intent on leaving no matter what and Ferris had a hand in orchestrating the whole scheme, I wouldn’t even be surprised if he was in Holloway’s reps ear to convince them to sign an offer sheet to further handcuff the Oilers and increase the chances the offer to his client wouldn’t be matched. It looks like Holloway might of received bad council and it kind of seems like he knows it, I’m guessing that a lot of what he was being told was that the Oilers were highly unlikely to let him walk for only a 3rd so he could have his cake and eat it too, getting paid 2x and staying with the Oilers. But as we’ve seen time and again going for the money too early can actually hurt a young question mark player in the long run. Now he finds himself in a system he could easily get lost in on a team that isn’t as attached to his development. Very real chance he ends up like so many players before him starting at the bottom of the ladder in two years searching for a job.

Like you, I agree that the mistake Oilers management made was not doing more to get Holloway under contract but when I look at the timeline and available information here is my take on the situation.

The players sides didn’t want to negotiate new deals in season when both players were still floundering, the team was likely ok with waiting until they knew where the cap was going to end up so negotiations get kicked until after the season is over and with the cup run basically butting right up against the draft/free agency time was short but by that time Armstrong had basically signalled he was going to offer sheet players and the wheels on Ferris plan were already in motion. This is where I think Oilers management made a mistake but I feel like they believed they could handle a Broberg offer sheet in that range and they likely thought Holloway wouldn’t be foolish enough to sign one let alone be a party to signing with the same team, on the same day, 6 weeks after they were free to. The big mistake I see being made my Oilers management is that at some point in the few days before July 1 it probably would of become apparent that both players were going to hold out until free agency and they should of started putting the puzzle pieces together and maybe they did and that’s why they spent how they did on day one of free agency because maybe they felt if they were going to get backed into a corner over paying some question marks then they’d rather allocate cap to established players and not miss out on adding good players at discounts in free agency because they were hoarding cap space in case of an offer sheet. Even if they don’t sign Perry, Skinner and one of Henrique/Arvidsso and had enough space to make it work, I don’t think that would of dissuaded Armstrong from still putting his plan in motion. Even if the Oilers had the space the hard decision is still there on whether it’s a good idea for a cup contender to spend 7M on a couple of question marks.

I question how realistically possible it was to get these guys signed in season or get them signed for reasonable numbers in that small window between end of finals and free agency. And the big mistake in my mind is that once you had a feeling these guys might go to free agency looking for offer sheets what they should of done at that point is start shopping both players, either in sign and trades or just as rfa’s. Would have given yourself more options but also would have forced Armstrong and Ferris hand on speeding up the timeline on their plan.

 

[tiger_80]

We have 900k right now. We are banking on Kane going on LTIR.

Let's be honest: we are banking on Kane turning into Stone!

 

[Jumptheshark]

Let's be honest: we are banking on Kane turning into Stone!

If the oilers can toss Kane on the LTIR for the year and add players with his contract? I can see the NHL stepping in. Why? Because we the oilers. We saw how pissed people were at the Knights and BOlts did it---can you imagine how pissed this site would be if we try to do it

 

[Canovin]

Let's be honest: we are banking on Kane turning into Stone!

If Kane gets as many months off to heal properly and we get him back in form. That's a damn good team we got. Especially with 900k and some accrued cap space to work with. That's enough to get someone like Rasmus Andersson(50%). We got the assets to get him too

 

[Whoshattenkirkshoes]

If Kane gets as many months off to heal properly and we get him back in form. That's a damn good team we got. Especially with 900k and some accrued cap space to work with. That's enough to get someone like Rasmus Andersson(50%). We got the assets to get him too

How does it work if Kane goes on LTIR for 21 days or more?

Do we start accumulating cap space for the days he's out? Chop space we can use at the deadline?

 

[McDNicks17]

How does it work if Kane goes on LTIR for 21 days or more?

Do we start accumulating cap space for the days he's out? Chop space we can use at the deadline?

He won't be going on LTIR.

They're under the cap, so there's no reason to now.