Because it cost them a 2nd round pick and a little bit of their overflow of cap space. There is no “he’ll never be worth 4.6!” Narrative. You’re making that up. It’s a gamble that he’ll be worth that , but for the blues it doesn’t matter if he’s ever worth it because cap space isn’t an issue. For the oilers it’s a massive gamble because of how tight to the cap they are.
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Well for our 2nd pair we don't need an Ekholm level player. We would be looking at a good 2nd pairing guy which would cost a 2nd and a prospect at Schaeffers level (which we have a few).
At the deadline a 2nd and say one of Akey, O'Reilly, Savoie etc could get us a very good d.
Holloway's agent: I guarantee 100% the Oilers will match. No need to read the contract. Just sign here
Oilslick941611
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I dont think the team was penciling him int he top 4 at all. He was gonna start on his off side on the bottom pair.
Like i said last night, my grandpa is in the hospital in PEI and ive had a long day and night, so if i misread your post i apologize, based off your explanation we are in agreement on Broberg on everything except were he would be playing this season on the roster.
Its a good bet for St Louis because they are not a contender and are building for the near future. They are banking by the END of the contract he is worth 4.6 or greater, not that he is that good now. For the Oilers we would need him to be worth 4.6 now and next year for it to be worth it, which its not.
Its 2 teams in entirely different situations.
I'm not really in the know about what was being offered to these two by the Oilers - any idea?
That people can’t grasp this is amazing to me. It’s less complicated than navigating a traffic circle.
Connor McConnor
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Did Edmonton lose the Cup because of defense or lack of depth scoring? Is Emberson-Brown-Stecher really that much worse than Ceci-Desharnahis-Broberg?
Lot's of overreacting here IMO. If Kane is LTIR the team has cap to sign another D. If he's coming back so be it.
Regardless, our forward depth is significantly better than last year with Holloway-McLeod
Lot's of overreacting here IMO. If Kane is LTIR the team has cap to sign another D. If he's coming back so be it.
Regardless, our forward depth is significantly better than last year with Holloway-McLeod
Davo Ikinzom
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The problem is Broberg is not a RD. They penciled him into a top 4 spot before last season too. He ended up having a bad preseason, got outplayed by Gleason/Desharnais and they still had him on the opening roster until the team imploded.
He was brought in during the playoffs to replace Desharnais on the right side and eventually they had to move him back onto the left side if I'm not remembering things incorrectly.
Drivesaitl
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My biggest concern today is that the Oilers have moved on from almost ALL the prospects they've had over the last several years.
Not just the two today but moving from Bourgault, McLeod, Oilers misfiring on tons of drafts.
Indeed the Oilers have two players in the lineup since Connor McDavid pick. Thats 10 f***ing years of drafting and two roster players to show for it. That is pathetic.
What other contending teams do so consistently poorly at draft or developing their picks or failing to utilize them and retain then?
As a result this team is among oldest teams in league. Older than last season.
I'm not assuming Podkolzin even makes the lineup. Whens the last time the Oilers even had any success with a Russian prospect?
Forgot About Drai
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No need to apolagize brother. Sorry if I came off harsh. Sorry about your grandpa. Well wishes!
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Broberg is different than those guys because his ceiling was on another level. Also the situation is different because we are an aging contender now without much in the pipeline. I figured that we would prize youth more now, and Jackson even said he wanted to focus on youth from now on. But, ultimately a team like ours needs to focus hard on the present.
This is why offer sheets exist. A rebuilding team like St.Louis likes the idea of spending cap space to invest in the future. They have cap to burn anyway. Imo the money that St.Louis offerend better represents their total value (actual + potential), than our offers.
But, I must say that I'm happy we at last got Emerson and Podkolzin for decent deals, with low trade and cap cost. They are a downgrade but you never know. I like that we at least don't make it a total loss
CantHaveTkachev
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no, I think they're taking a swing at Broberg because they see him as a future top 4 d-man, possibly top 2
Seachd
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I’m not sure I understand. You’re complaining about losing Ceci but think it would take a 1st to get him (or someone like him) back?
Forgot About Drai
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Agreed! All things I was saying before this and why we shouldnt match. But judging by coaching comments, media, etc, they were shoehorning him into that spot and looking to pray
I don’t get the belief he may do this in the next two seasons.
If he does, guess what? In two years we’re paying even more for him while the extensions for Drai, Bouchard, and McDavid come into effect.
CantHaveTkachev
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Some say…
It sure feels like Holloway should be firing his agent after we didn’t match. You gain like a million dollars short term, but you go from having opportunity on the Cup favourite to not really even a bigger role (and with drastically worse players) on a bubble team at best. Long term, he probably costs himself substantially more than the million he’s getting. Not to mention, any Albertan that spends a significant chunk of their career playing here is going to have a heck of a lot of opportunities after retirement
Shit if we don't use any of the LTRI till the deadline and we find out Kane will miss time till the playoffs? That gives us 9mill in players we can add thats up to 18mill with retention. Lots ofpotential options.
FlameChampion
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Because they have the cap space to take the risk?
I think lots of people wanted to keep Broberg because of his potential, but its a lot easier to do that when he’s making less. I also don’t understand the narrative that people think its a given hes going to break out and be a top 4 dman next year. He might but he might not.
No shit, sherlock.
We don't have the cap space and are not in the position to take that risk while the Blues are. Not complicated.
CantHaveTkachev
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wouldn't that a good thing? we could then trade him and get better than a 2nd rounder
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These losses, especially the loss of Broberg, is another casualty of the Nurse contract. If the Oilers fully believed Broberg was ready for a top 4 role this year, they could've traded Nurse to a team that needed a veteran top 4 D if he made like 7 mill. Or worse case, used that extra money to sign them both. There will continue to be cap casualties on this team because Nurse is significantly overpaid, and no team will take his contract.
