Proposal: Oilers 1st to Las Vegas for an exposed D of Edmonton choice

[McSuper]

Not sure if this is legal or not so if it isn't maybe a mod can delete it :

It would have to be ok with the NHL for the Oilers to approach Las Vegas and make an offer base on D that are available ahead of time

To Las Vegas Edmonton 1st 2017

To Edmonton a D of their choice that has been exposed

Edmonton needs a puck moving RHD that can QB the power play .

This becomes more of a prediction as to want D becomes available . I see 2 of the Wild Becoming available , NYI 1 but for the most part I am unsure .

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[jw2]

A RHD PMD PPQB you say?

Get in line.

 

[KlefDown]

or we just do a little pre-scouting, see a potential D man that would get exposed, contact that teams GM, and offer that same 1st (or even lesser) for said Dman so the GM doesn't lose him for nothing.

 

[trick9]

Pick for expansion teams best defender?

I highly doubt it.

 

[Brock Radunske]

Not sure if this is legal or not so if it isn't maybe a mod can delete it :

It would have to be ok with the NHL for the Oilers to approach Las Vegas and make an offer base on D that are available ahead of time

To Las Vegas Edmonton 1st 2017

To Edmonton a D of their choice that has been exposed

Edmonton needs a puck moving RHD that can QB the power play .

This becomes more of a prediction as to want D becomes available . I see 2 of the Wild Becoming available , NYI 1 but for the most part I am unsure .

Haha, holy mackerel. Might want to rephrase that.

 

[McSuper]

or we just do a little pre-scouting, see a potential D man that would get exposed, contact that teams GM, and offer that same 1st (or even lesser) for said Dman so the GM doesn't lose him for nothing.

But then we have to protect him . I am trying to get away from losing an important piece

 

[Chan790]

But then we have to protect him . I am trying to get away from losing an important piece

The problem therein is that you are pretty much necessarily asking for Las Vegas' best defenseman coming out of the expansion draft. They need a RHD PPQB PMD that can play top-4 minutes just as much as anybody, including the Oilers.

So, unless the pick is so high as to be a clear overpayment, I don't see why Vegas does this. Unless the pick is fair value, I don't see why Edmonton does it.

The Oilers are more likely to get a fair deal from a team trying to avoid losing such a player for nothing than from Vegas, because said player needs to be protected. To put it another way, the thing you're trying to avoid (having to protect this asset) is the probable only reason that asset is available...and the reason it won't be available from Vegas. Kind of a "no such thing as a free lunch" scenario.

 

[tfong]

Haha, holy mackerel. Might want to rephrase that.

 

[Brodeur]

Not sure if this is legal or not so if it isn't maybe a mod can delete it :

It would have to be ok with the NHL for the Oilers to approach Las Vegas and make an offer base on D that are available ahead of time

Perfectly legal. Columbus selected Turner Stevenson in the 2000 Expansion Draft and traded him to the Devils later that day. I was bored enough to do a mock draft and I won't be surprised if Vegas ends up drafting 9 or 10 defensemen solely for value. Then they can trade off a few of them immediately to address other needs and/or accumulate picks.

That said, I don't think you'll see any D worth a 1st round exposed. Teams will make last minute moves to make sure they don't lose anybody that valuable for nothing.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Edmonton needs a puck moving RHD that can QB the power play .

You just got rid of Schultz though

 

[Sniper99]

Even if they did get a Dman that can QB the PP theyd still be passing it around for 2 mins only getting maybe a shot on net and the Oiler fans calling for the team to decline the PP.

In the end Las Vegas wouldnt do this.

 

[CanadienShark]

Haha, holy mackerel. Might want to rephrase that.

It was probably intentional.

 

[Jumptheshark]

So a top 15 pick for a number 4 D man?

 

[voxel]

Teams will make last minute moves to make sure they don't lose anybody that valuable for nothing.

I think these so called deals will be terrible - almost no team has expansion room so prices will be low. And buying teams will just lose a lesser player.

Basically Team 1 trades a "grade A" player to Team 2 that will lose a "grade B" player instead in the expansion and maybe a 2nd + warm body prospect (to Team 1)

 

[Brodeur]

I think these so called deals will be terrible - almost no team has expansion room so prices will be low. And buying teams will just lose a lesser player.

Basically Team 1 trades a "grade A" player to Team 2 that will lose a "grade B" player instead in the expansion and maybe a 2nd + warm body prospect (to Team 1)

Yeah, I'm hoping the Devils can be on the good end of one of these trades. Realistically, only a few teams (Anaheim, Minnesota, and Nashville on D) have really tough decisions to make. Most other teams can probably handle losing their 4th best D / 8th best forward.

Before the last expansion draft, Calgary dealt a young J.S. Giguere to Anaheim for a 2nd round pick. I wouldn't be surprised if Colorado did something like that with Calvin Pickard, although I don't know how many teams don't already have their designated goalie to protect.

 

[HanSolo]

It's legal...but I don't know why Edmonton does it.

 

[BlueBaron]

I am not sure who the OP thinks he will get for that pick but I will say Vegas would do it because the gap between their best and worst D they get from expansion will not be all that great. An extra first in your first year would be a hug shot in the arm.

 

[Drake1588]

There is nothing innately wrong with this move, but it would be phrased differently. When the lists of exposed players comes out, Chiarelli goes to McPhee and discusses the trade of his first rounder to Las Vegas, to be completed in late June 2017, where Las Vegas would trade player X to Edmonton, where X is a player slated to be exposed that Edmonton would like the somethingsomethingKnights to select on their behalf. Nothing actually changes hands thus far, and Las Vegas is not actually required to do anything.

Las Vegas makes its expansion draft selections, which include Player X.

Officially, before the 2017 NHL Entry Draft, Las Vegas trades the specific player X to Edmonton for Edmonton's first rounder. Perfectly legal.

It's the timing where legality comes into play. You can't make this trade today, for example. You make it in the moment, having previously discussed what asset(s) Edmonton would like to see Las Vegas pick up to complete a proposed trade.

What this means is that the trade isn't done before Las Vegas knows precisely how good/bad Edmonton's pick is going to be at season's end. You also can't do it for a player of Edmonton's choice; only a specific player.

 

[airbus220]

Not only EDM would be interested in this player, there might be other teams too. The price goes up.
Vegas might trade 15 players they drafted because they can't keep all. EDM might get a player with less quality because Vegas should keep the best.

 

[Its a Trap]

Uh...you really think their best defender will be a first round pick? One that you don't even know where it's going to be yet? What if the Oilers miss the playoffs and that becomes a possible lottery pick? Would you trade a top-14 pick for a top 4 defender?

 

[bernmeister]

But then we have to protect him . I am trying to get away from losing an important piece

best I can see, to really do that you have to trade now for an ELC who is exempt.
Good luck with that.

The problem therein is that you are pretty much necessarily asking for Las Vegas' best defenseman coming out of the expansion draft. They need a RHD PPQB PMD that can play top-4 minutes just as much as anybody, including the Oilers.

So, unless the pick is so high as to be a clear overpayment, I don't see why Vegas does this. Unless the pick is fair value, I don't see why Edmonton does it.

The Oilers are more likely to get a fair deal from a team trying to avoid losing such a player for nothing than from Vegas, because said player needs to be protected. To put it another way, the thing you're trying to avoid (having to protect this asset) is the probable only reason that asset is available...and the reason it won't be available from Vegas. Kind of a "no such thing as a free lunch" scenario.

I could be overlooking something, but I think this is it.

 

[ujju2]

I can't see him being worth Edmonton's 1st rounder (unless the Oil make the playoffs), and he's a LHD, but a guy I'd be interested in is Orlov.

 

[mikeyp24]

Perfectly legal. Columbus selected Turner Stevenson in the 2000 Expansion Draft and traded him to the Devils later that day. I was bored enough to do a mock draft and I won't be surprised if Vegas ends up drafting 9 or 10 defensemen solely for value. Then they can trade off a few of them immediately to address other needs and/or accumulate picks.

That said, I don't think you'll see any D worth a 1st round exposed. Teams will make last minute moves to make sure they don't lose anybody that valuable for nothing.

Where can we see the mock draft? I've been interested in seeing some but the mock draft section doesn't have any from what I've seen.

 

[KingCanadain1976]

vegas does this in a heartbeat They will get a lot of decent defenseman This would give them a future piece as the pick will be in the top 10-15 range

 

[Mr Misty]

If Vegas wants to maximize value, they'll draft as many good defensemen as possible. Prices are already high, and removing 7-10 good defensemen from the market will cause a spike.

Considering what a 1st is actually worth, a more likely scenario would be Vegas' #5 for that 1st. It would still be a top 4 guy from the original team that exposes him, but the increase in demand is going to eat away at the value of that pick.