Pre-Game Talk: Oil vs Rat - The Sequel

[MikeS24]

Interview with Hyman and Panthers. He knew he popped his wrist and needed surgery right away. Apparently broke down when the guys came back during intermission

 

[AM]

Yet those Football leagues are the hottest entities of any sport, any continent, and are everywhere.

The most competed sport, Football, with the most premier players of any sport and that play seasons that are for all the marbles. Picture it as the season there being the season and playoffs combined. Every game important, every game crucial.

As good as NHL SC playoffs are the seasons are a sham, and the Oilers and Panthers demonstrating once again why they are. But how this slices down for the fan is we end up watching 82 game seasons that are window dressing and to get these 16 games played at a higher level. Maybe 22 games before its done.

Just tell them it’s the same as the league cup. An example is Aberdeen fended off Celtic and won their first league cup in 35 years last week.

Nobody went to work on Monday.

 

[AM]

Lmao tried that already.

His response: If you want to win, stop being poor. That's a skill issue.

It's a hellva worldview ahaha

PSG has a huge salary but ironically enough, they only won when they got rid of mbappe.

So it’s not about the highest salary but about the best team game.

 

[AM]

If and hopefully they win, I hope Hyman is out there in his gear to raise the cup and not in suit.

He only has one arm. Don’t give him any ideas.

Besides, he can raise it next year also.

 

[joestevens29]

He only has one arm. Don’t give him any ideas.

Besides, he can raise it next year also.

Meh, it usually gets dropped anyway might as well be right in front of Bettman instead of somewhere when the guys are drinking

 

[FlameChampion]

I do think DeBoer screwed up with Oettinger. Like there were probably better ways to handle that.

I don’t see the issue of him pulling him.

But his comments post game were quite frankly stupid if anything. But honestly we don’t really know what happens in the locker room and how guys interact. Maybe he felt like he had to say something. But if I had to guess, he just lost his composure and said something stupid.

 

[bone]

The Brier used to be like that.Then they discovered people want to see playoffs.

World Juniors used to be like that as well

 

[bone]

I believe there is more depth to this then simply winning the league is like winning the Stanley Cup, since there are multiple levels of leagues and they have relegation in the EFL. So basically if you are last you drop down a league, so the leagues do not reward tanking.

If you win, you not only win the league but you get promoted to the next league. It’s usually like the top two teams automatically advance and then a select number of other teams play a playoff and the winner of the playoffs also move up.

Once a team makes the Premier League you are playing the very best of the very best and being the best in that league is an all time honour for your city. So, it’s less simple and actually a really cool system. Though if the NHL were like that, the decade of darkness would have put us in the equivalent of a beer league… :/

Furthermore, it's usually only a certain amount of teams that automatically move up. There's then typically a playoff for the last promotion unless of course we're talking the Premier league as that is the top.

They also have in season tournaments that in theory could result in an Allen Cup quality team (in hockey terms) going on a run and eventually playing teams that would be in the NHL by comparison. Now it never gets quite to that level but it's pretty common to see a team go on a run and compete up 2 or 3 leagues in those tournaments.

So there's other things to keep the excitement up than just the regular season matches.

 

[Little Fury]

I've had similar arguments with a friend of mine from England. The concept of playoffs utterly baffles him, just like the concept of just handing the Cup to first place team at the end of the year baffles us.

I don't know how you would even derive enjoyment from their system especially if you're really good. "This has been telegraphed since about January and has rendered almost every game for half of the season in the whole league irrelevant, but now that April is over you're STANLEY CUP CHAMPIONS!!!!!!!"

I can feel my buzz dying just thinking about it.

It's funny because the Premier League is probably better than most Euro leagues at staying competitive down to the final stages of the season (even though we're still talking about the same three or four clubs in the running every year).

As a Liverpool fan, it was awesome knowing they were likely to win the league early but I get why that's boring for neutrals. And it was also bizarre to have them clinch and celebrate and then wait three weeks for the actual trophy.

Lmao tried that already.

His response: If you want to win, stop being poor. That's a skill issue.

It's a hellva worldview ahaha

"Just get purchased by a sovereign wealth fund from a repressive slave state bro, it's not that hard anyone can do it."

 

[bone]

I don’t see the issue of him pulling him.

But his comments post game were quite frankly stupid if anything. But honestly we don’t really know what happens in the locker room and how guys interact. Maybe he felt like he had to say something. But if I had to guess, he just lost his composure and said something stupid.

My biggest issue wasn't him pulling him. It was the way he did it, turning it into a spectacle of sorts. Calling timeout doing his thing on the bench then waits until Otter starts going back to the crease before shouting to call him out and going all Ari Gold on the gestures.

If pulling him was the plan, he should have just retained the timeout and used the goalie swap for the same effect (yelling at the team). He'd at least still have had the timeout and wouldn't have looked like such a goon in how he pulled him out.

Doubling down in the post-game on its own was dumb, but would have been less an issue without the spectacle he created.

 

[FlameChampion]

My biggest issue wasn't him pulling him. It was the way he did it, turning it into a spectacle of sorts. Calling timeout doing his thing on the bench then waits until Otter starts going back to the crease before shouting to call him out and going all Ari Gold on the gestures.

If pulling him was the plan, he should have just retained the timeout and used the goalie swap for the same effect (yelling at the team). He'd at least still have had the timeout and wouldn't have looked like such a goon in how he pulled him out.

Doubling down in the post-game on its own was dumb, but would have been less an issue without the spectacle he created.

Agreed. I thought pulling him was fine. But the whole timeout combined with the spectacle was ridiculous. Then the post game. Honestly just bizarre.

 

[Section337]

Top class break down on this series by a video coach. If you like Curlock, you will love this


Oilers leading the playoffs at getting inside (inner slot chances) shows how different the team is this year.

His goal breakdowns for the games are very good too. Feels like play analysis is so week in the NHL universe that his videos really jump out to me.

 

[redgrant]

The Oil did some major sandbagging this year. They dispatched 3 straight teams above them and outside the LA first two games it was convincing and the series were not that close.

Second of all, really surprised at everyone saying Fredrick sits if Brown is back. Watch the games again, he is playing smart hockey and not giving up the puck and always doing the right play. His hits are not flashy but punishing. Knob won’t be pulling him against FLA.

Lastly, this schedule is gross. Starts way too late. Multi day breaks between non travel games.

Kane was in an interview with roneick and said its a major advantage to start at home with a long break. He can get 9 holes in hang out with his kids not disrupt his schedule much.

He drives around the city sees the intensity oilers talk everywhere.

It's the team flying here at a disadvantage having to leave that fly here get ready for the game when they're entering the lions den.

So much riding on Skinner not shitting the advantage we have right now.

 

[McJadeddog]

Kane was in an interview with roneick and said its a major advantage to start at home with a long break. He can get 9 holes in hang out with his kids not disrupt his schedule much.

He drives around the city sees the intensity oilers talk everywhere.

It's the team flying here at a disadvantage having to leave that fly here get ready for the game when they're entering the lions den.

So much riding on Skinner not shitting the advantage we have right now.

The entire series is dependent on him. If he plays bad we lose, if he plays good, we win. It really is likely that simple.

Here is Skinner's GSAx last year: -0.52, -0.58, -1.25, 1.49, 0.21, 0.94, -0.46

Do you see a trend? We literally lost every game he was a minus and won every game he was a plus. I see no reason why this will be different this year, on the whole. It might not be as perfectly aligned as it was last year, but I imagine it will be pretty close. We win/lose with how our goalies play, full stop.

 

[MikeS24]

Athletic ran a poll with a lot of coaches and execs

Goaltending was a major factor for a lot of FLA votes

NHL Stanley Cup Final predictions: Surveying NHL coaches and execs on Oilers-Panthers part 2

A year ago, the vote was lopsided in favor of the Panthers. This time? The final tally was 21-19. Here's who had the edge and why.

www.nytimes.com

The coaches were 11-11, and the team execs went 10-8 for Edmonton, swinging on that one last head-versus-heart pick. So a very close poll ended up 21-19 for the Oilers to win Canada’s first Stanley Cup since 1993.

 

[Drivesaitl]

I do think DeBoer screwed up with Oettinger. Like there were probably better ways to handle that.

Sure. But I put it down to strictly an angry reaction by Deboer who was visibly fuming and who was being that way to try to get some attention and reset from his club. A coach that is actually critiqued for not showing any emotion does so and people go "well not that way" But a weird quandary exists. People that blow up often sort of know how to do it, what to do, what to say. People that don't get angry often can be complete liabilities or idiots when they do. Its like they don't have practice at it.

Sure what Deboer said was dumb. But his getting angry was justified. There were multiple moments in series were Dallas were just mailing it in. Where they seemed to just accept defeat. Their start in elimination game was another example of that. Their game 2 performance was pathetic. Any coach would be furious and Deboer had only 1 top player show up in the series. Rants, Hintz, Ott, etc were nowhere to be seen. Dallas is paying a lot for Ott. A minimal expectation is that he be better than the backup, or our goalies who are paid as backups.

 

[1981 Oilers]

Little wonder everyone hates us.

They hate us because they wanna be us

 

[joestevens29]

Killed Calgary
Killed Vancouver
Killed Dallas
Edmonton is Natural Born Killers

I don't know what you classify LA, but they appear to be trying to steal insider information by hiring Holland

 

[Sniper99]

He only has one arm. Don’t give him any ideas.

Besides, he can raise it next year also.

even if someone pairs up with him or another guy helps out just get your gear on even if its without equipment just jersey pants socks and skates.

 

[Drivesaitl]

We do have a tough team. But it was really nice in the VGK’s series, when Frederic was able to stand up to Hague. Nurse and Kane could do it. But it’s better to have them on the ice.

I watched the Vegas series thinking that the Knights don't have any, and are entirely lacking in that now. i.e. knights. Not having players like Carrier and others has changed that club. Guys like Kolesar who is awful does nothing to answer the bell either. Vegas weren't even interested in getting into that lane. They can play dirty, but they weren't capable of leaning on us or anything like that. its a changed club.

I don't know how it goes in the physicality department because the main guy we faced so far in the 3 series has been the exception rather than the rule. Marchment being a physical player willing to play his game against us, and it wasn't addressed at any point. Vegas and LA really have no facet of any physical dominating players. Florida does.

The Oilers have been way tougher than any opponent they've faced thus far but we didn't face any physical clubs and we likely have more trouble with Minny.

 

[AM]

Sure. But I put it down to strictly an angry reaction by Deboer who was visibly fuming and who was being that way to try to get some attention and reset from his club. A coach that is actually critiqued for not showing any emotion does so and people go "well not that way" But a weird quandary exists. People that blow up often sort of know how to do it, what to do, what to say. People that don't get angry often can be complete liabilities or idiots when they do. Its like they don't have practice at it.

Sure what Deboer said was dumb. But his getting angry was justified. There were multiple moments in series were Dallas were just mailing it in. Where they seemed to just accept defeat. Their start in elimination game was another example of that. Their game 2 performance was pathetic. Any coach would be furious and Deboer had only 1 top player show up in the series. Rants, Hintz, Ott, etc were nowhere to be seen. Dallas is paying a lot for Ott. A minimal expectation is that he be better than the backup, or our goalies who are paid as backups.

Dallas accepting defeat started in about game 4 last year and hasn’t stopped yet.

Which is where his anger comes from.

Look at game 6. Oilers had 10 shots and won 2-1.

Skinner made 33 saves.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

Currently in a spat with a friend of mine over that.

He called me a complete and utter moron for falling for the NHL's propaganda that the playoffs are different from the regular season. Said we're all fools for watching 82 meaningless games. Said it should be like soccer, 2 matches against each team whomever wins the league wins the cup.

Sorry but your friend is a doofus. Must be a leaf fan because their cup is always the regular season.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Dallas accepting defeat started in about game 4 last year and hasn’t stopped yet.

Which is where his anger comes from.

Look at game 6. Oilers had 10 shots and won 2-1.

Skinner made 33 saves.

Sure seemed to be a turning point. Dallas didn't have buy in from the players in this series.

 

[elmeroil]

RIGHT f***ING NOW!

 

[AM]

Sure seemed to be a turning point. Dallas didn't have buy in from the players in this series.

“We just can’t beat mcdavid”

That’s their body language.

I feel sorry for the coach. It wasn’t the goalie but he can’t bench skaters against a team like the oilers.