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Post-Game Talk: Oil flooding the infirmary

Bryanbryoil said:
It looked to me like his hand got jammed/tweaked when I saw the other angle TBH.
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This was my initial thoughts as well until I saw the intended sneaky slash to the ribs. One replay that we didn't see in real time showed it real good. Very clear crosscheck to the ribs. Quick, but enough it buckled McD who is not at all into feigning.

Unfortunately both Drai and McD are out and it takes a lot for them to miss any action. Both clearly hurt, we won't know the extents I guess for awhile or whether these are injuries that will impact.
 
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TopShelfGloveSide said:
This is just countering a bunch of non sense that I didn’t say. I’m just saying Helly playing bad doesn’t mean Skinner didn’t play bad. He was not great and it’s ridiculous to say he was.

I never once blamed Skinner for the loss.

Edit : I tried goaltending once.. does that count? Almost had a stroke.
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Curious why you wouldn't blame Skinner for the loss. Could be attributed to him no? None of the goals were unstoppable and on the go ahead goal he's swimming out of net like a beached whale with all kinds of steamboats for Jets to finish. lol hitting the goal post, Tanev celebrating, realizing it didn't go in, and then just batting the rebound home while Skinner is just belly out of the play. One wonders if Skinner would be on the canvas for a ten count..

I guess we get so accustomed, even conditioned to this weak goaltending that we don't see it at fault.

On first goal on a routine shot Skinner kicks out a rebound perfectly to the only place that could be dangerous, right to a jet, right on his stick, Skinner looks surprised the rebound is quickly slotted by him quicker than he could react. yet in GDT some posters are blaming the D for that one. How? The only danger on that play was created by Skinner. This is elemental attribution.
 
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FiveFourteenSixOne said:
I nominate Drivesaitl as padre of our skinner hating cadre. I’ll serve as deacon.
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Usually I react to the hate term but in this instance I don't. Too bad he's our goalie. Skinner would be good for a lot of laughs if it wasn't the case. Its pure physical comedy complete with face plants, belly swimming on ice, wiping out, Skinner facing goal during play, somehow, Too many to list just in one game.
 
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bucks_oil said:
Sorry... I'm catching up on the thread, so I don't mean to put words in your mouth.

but what I wrote is not a bunch of non-sense. Judging goaltending requires benchmarks and we happened to have the best goalie in the league on display last night and he was "meh" which is to say even the best goalies can often be "meh".

Agree with you that Skinner was not great last night. He was also "meh".

Please forgive me for just assuming you were blaming Skinner, it happens so often here I just jumped to that conclusion ;) (also, I said "some posters", not necessarily you)
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Sorry I shouldn’t have said what you said was non sense.
 
bucks_oil said:
That's fine. But save the criticism for the true stinker games, or provide analysis on the major errors Skinner made.

Goaltending was not a major factor for either team last night. There were a couple of minor errors, but not a lot to really talk about. (and yet here I go)

I wasn't a big fan of Skinner's big rebound on the 2nd goal... but to a degree he was probably TRYING to kick a big rebound because he had traffic in front, so somewhat bad luck it ended on another stick... it's not like you can super fine-tune where your rebounds go, off the pad there are really only two choices, toward the side or straight back out... the only think he might have done better was get a stick on it to knife it up to the netting.

I also wasn't a big fan of Skinner's first goal on Helly... actually I was a big fan of it... but this is where fan-bias comes in, we all liked it, so nobody critiques it... and thus we never internalize when an opponent goalie makes a mistake... but it was one. Helly is 6'4... when he goes down IN POSITION for a shot from 30 feet out, there should be NO WAY to score over his shoulder. That puck went right over his shoulder, which means he was too deep. If in position it would just hit him.

People who haven't played goal, probably don't like the goal where Skinner ends up swimming, but I don't have a particular problem with it... it was a bouncing, deflected shot... you can't control those rebounds, then the Winnipeg player chops it off the post... when that happens, Skinner is naturally going to extend (in this case in vain) his leg further to try and stop that shot... once that happens, you can't lift your opposing knee to dig an edge in, which means you can't push, which means your only choice would be to flop for the third shot... and you can't flop over top of your own extended leg, so you let it pivot away from the danger area in order to dive with your blocker and glove... it's admittedly clumsy, but he was already fishing by that point.

Preventative goaltending would have had him NOT try to extend his leg on the 2nd shot (the one that hit the post), but rather pull it back AWAY from the open side of the net so that he could then unweight his opposing leg and push across, and then extend... but try telling your goalie brain to do that... the natural inclination is to reach, stretch as far as possible, because you usually don't have time to reset for a butterfly push and still get there. I'm small, so I have to do it on most rebounds, but bigger goalies like Skinner usually can get away without the reset... and simply stretch their limbs out.
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Skinner made a pretty huge error on that first goal, showing his inability to track the puck or control rebounds, he also made a pretty big error when he skated out to play the puck and turned it over.
 
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Drivesaitl said:
Any Jets fan would tell you the Vancouver game and this one were probably the worst Hellbuck starts of the season. He was awful. Wasn't tracking pucks well, wasn't bothering to see through screens, was shaky on several shots and looked behind multiple times. It was an off game for him clearly and he looked fatigued, not sharp from outset. Was a rocky game from him. Not feeling it, not confident. It didn't even look like Hellebuyck. Thats fine, humans have substandard days. Of curse even the best.

The 55% OK made of stat line above is rubbish. There would be flat out half the games or more where he's great. You suggesting he's great in 1/3 of games played? C'mon.

Its odd, that you state that Skinner, vs one of the best goalies in the world both have the same proportion of "OK" games. Thats quite a preposterous reach.

Hellebuyck hasn't been good on this road trip. Like I say probably some fatigue, Jets playing him a bit too much and he had to see the net in Seattle even on his off day. On this roadtrip he's let in 9goals on 51SOG. Not even close to characteristic of the player. We got him at the best time of the whole season. fortunate to get that. He's been a wall most games in this season.

Goalie or not your post is mostly bs in this instance. you knew that prior. Sounds like a frustrated reaction post. We're all frustrated with Skinner. Especially with the apologists here.

That you didn't think this was a stinker game from Skinner is rich. Jets had hardly anything going all game and NOTHING on the PP. They had a few 2 on 1's yes, they botched those or shot wide on some. There wasn't a lot of HDSC yet Skinner allows 3GA on a paltry 16 sog and another two hit iron. Additional to that he gets caught skating out to a puck because he's slow as molasses skating. I should be impressed he made the right decision (but not in view of his speed) Same game he lets an alley-opp from Center ice get by him. This is all wrapped up in an OK game according to you, your assessment.
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This is all rubbish. Go read post #252, understand who you are, what this team has done to you and then take a deep breath.

Being upset that Skinner had a bouncing puck (not ball) get past him and hit the end boards while he prioritized protecting the net, shows the depth of your goaltending acumen.

... and for the record, I don't even like Skinner. I'm just tired of the (and your) constant whinging. Don't worry... you have a recognizable avatar and there's always the ignore function.

I bid you good day sir.
 
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Praying it's not a groin injury. Do we have any more insight on whether it was actually the slash or if he just tweaked something awkwardly? Ughhh
 
Tobias Kahun said:
Skinner made a pretty huge error on that first goal, showing his inability to track the puck or control rebounds, he also made a pretty big error when he skated out to play the puck and turned it over.
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You are right... I called the Perfetti rebound goal the 2nd goal in my description, it was the first goal... I'll edit. It was a bad rebound, but he didn't have a lot of options given the traffic in front complicates covering or knifing it.
 
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bucks_oil said:
That's fine. But save the criticism for the true stinker games, or provide analysis on the major errors Skinner made.

Goaltending was not a major factor for either team last night. There were a couple of minor errors, but not a lot to really talk about. (and yet here I go)

I wasn't a big fan of Skinner's big rebound on the 2nd goal... but to a degree he was probably TRYING to kick a big rebound because he had traffic in front, so somewhat bad luck it ended on another stick... it's not like you can super fine-tune where your rebounds go, off the pad there are really only two choices, toward the side or straight back out... the only think he might have done better was get a stick on it to knife it up to the netting.

I also wasn't a big fan of Skinner's first goal on Helly... actually I was a big fan of it... but this is where fan-bias comes in, we all liked it, so nobody critiques it... and thus we never internalize when an opponent goalie makes a mistake... but it was one. Helly is 6'4... when he goes down IN POSITION for a shot from 30 feet out, there should be NO WAY to score over his shoulder. That puck went right over his shoulder, which means he was too deep. If in position it would just hit him.

People who haven't played goal, probably don't like the goal where Skinner ends up swimming, but I don't have a particular problem with it... it was a bouncing, deflected shot... you can't control those rebounds, then the Winnipeg player chops it off the post... when that happens, Skinner is naturally going to extend (in this case in vain) his leg further to try and stop that shot... once that happens, you can't lift your opposing knee to dig an edge in, which means you can't push, which means your only choice would be to flop for the third shot... and you can't flop over top of your own extended leg, so you let it pivot away from the danger area in order to dive with your blocker and glove... it's admittedly clumsy, but he was already fishing by that point.

Preventative goaltending would have had him NOT try to extend his leg on the 2nd shot (the one that hit the post), but rather pull it back AWAY from the open side of the net so that he could then unweight his opposing leg and push across, and then extend... but try telling your goalie brain to do that... the natural inclination is to reach, stretch as far as possible, because you usually don't have time to reset for a butterfly push and still get there. I'm small, so I have to do it on most rebounds, but bigger goalies like Skinner usually can get away without the reset... and simply stretch their limbs out.
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The first goal was the rebound goal. At least get the details right. On that one its a routine shot coming in and Skinner puts it to a hot area. He doesn't put it sideboards or get it out or corral it. Its hot rebound to a danger area. Even Walman looking at him like what are you doing?

Disagree on the swim goal. Skinner is a big goalie that covers a lot of area and his strongsuit would be staying close to cage. yet even in the leadup to the goal he's out of the crease a couple times. He's swimming really in that sequence and overplaying. He puts himself out of net and unable to make the stops being down on the ice. He does that himself allowing an easiest possible goal into an empty net. You're absolving all of that.

Its also I think key to focus on the misplays that didn't result in a goal but that are testament to how many times Oilers mop up well. For instance on the shorty jailbreak Skinner is beat clean to puck and in no mans land. Again his failure. Without our team nullifying all possible threats its an automatic GA. Puck goes to end boards and forward tries to center to open net chance but its covered. Great backchecking. Think it was J Skinner saving that one.
 
bucks_oil said:
This is all rubbish. Go read post #252, understand who you are, what this team has done to you and then take a deep breath.

Being upset that Skinner had a bouncing puck (not ball) get past him and hit the end boards while he prioritized protecting the net, shows the depth of your goaltending acumen.

... and for the record, I don't even like Skinner. I'm just tired of the (and your) constant whinging. Don't worry... you have a recognizable avatar and there's always the ignore function.

I bid you good day sir.
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Take your own medicine. Take feedback as well. But I guess not. Your summary was ridiculous and I called it out. No biggie, but your reaction is out of the blue. Thats on you.

This is the thing. Some of us here vent and joke about the Skinner goaltending because venting serves purpose of reducing frustration. Its a mechanism, and some fun. That you're apparently disturbed by that, again, you take a breath. I'm fine.

If I had to detect I'd say your goaltending alumni status may actually be part of this defensive reaction. Have a good day.
 
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Drivesaitl said:
Curious why you wouldn't blame Skinner for the loss. Could be attributed to him no? None of the goals were unstoppable and on the go ahead goal he's swimming out of net like a beached whale with all kinds of steamboats for Jets to finish. lol hitting the goal post, Tanev celebrating, realizing it didn't go in, and then just batting the rebound home while Skinner is just belly out of the play. One wonders if Skinner would be on the canvas for a ten count..

I guess we get so accustomed, even conditioned to this weak goaltending that we don't see it at fault.

On first goal on a routine shot Skinner kicks out a rebound perfectly to the only place that could be dangerous, right to a jet, right on his stick, Skinner looks surprised the rebound is quickly slotted by him quicker than he could react. yet in GDT some posters are blaming the D for that one. How? The only danger on that play was created by Skinner. This is elemental attribution.
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The thing that's particularly still about that go ahead goal is it literally bounces right to his glove. Lol.

Just brutal.
 
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iCanada said:
The thing that's particularly still about that go ahead goal is it literally bounces right to his glove. Lol.

Just brutal.
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Photoshop a fly swatter in there for laughs. Watch the whole segment its interesting it wasn't the only time he's out of his net.

Thing is despite this game being weak this is the game Skinner really had circled on the calendar, he really wanted to show us. It was him torched and put in a garbage bin for the first 6-0 loss against Jets. The whole telecast telling us Skins is ready for this one, he's going to be huge. haha

I really need to turn down the volume in broadcasts. But then I don't get the rink sounds I love.
 
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TopShelfGloveSide said:
Big break between tomorrow and the next game. Dallas will be tough but the schedule is pretty soft besides that. Around 12 days before a huge game against Vegas. We might be ok.
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Hopefully not nagging injuries that will continue to impact. We just never know because not many details released. I'm less worried about any time off (I think thats positive going into playoffs) then lingering effects AFTER they come back.

We're OK. No worries with remainder of reg season. I wasn't thinking we get first anyhoo.
 
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