Post-Game Talk: Oil flooding the infirmary

I don't think he was garbage. I didn't like the rebound on the first goal, but he was very good after that. Strange game with low SON totals, but plenty of grade A chances. Oilers must have given up 3 or 4 two on ones and some high quality looks in the second period alone. And his all-star counterpart didn't exactly light the place on fire, letting one in from distance and a slow rolling squeaker from in tight.
You loosely use “very good”… his all star counterpart has nothing to do with his performance.
 
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Looked like he hardly touched him, even in slow mo. I think McD just pulled something. Staples trying to blow things out proportion as usual and trying to find a suspect.
I agree with someone else who said it actually looks like it might be his foot. Notice he steps on Morrissey's skate right around the time of the cross check.

Edit: watching the video again, he pulls his hand quickly into his body and it looks obvious that's where the injury is.
 
Skinner should be advertising for Tylenol. just saying.
I was thinking more like this this…

For those times when you probably will “shit the bed”. And now improved with 12 hour protection for those really long games.

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Nuge and Hyman looked great 3 on 3. No idea what knobloch was thinking with Nurse, Walman, Arvidsson combo.
Nuge and Hyman are our de facto regular 2nd OT pairing so no surprise there. I'm guessing the 2 d-men were out there to try to survive the Scheiffle line's shift.
 
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I think most here just want to bash the team and certain players rather than enjoy the entertainment and cheer for a win.

I’m sure in between games certain posters here have drafts of witty things, or some insult about a poster being relatives of a certain someone just ready to go and waiting for the right time to post it.

This place is f***ing toxic. The mains are friendly than here.
Serious question…If you hate it here so much, why are you still hanging around? No one is a hostage here.
 
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Knob’s coaching decisions make me understand what Holloway meant when he said “based on what Edmonton was telling me, it didn’t seem like I’d get a ton of opportunity” earlier this year.
His potential playing time was crystal clear when Jackson signed Skinner and Arvidsson.
 
I agree with someone else who said it actually looks like it might be his foot. Notice he steps on Morrissey's skate right around the time of the cross check.

Edit: watching the video again, he pulls his hand quickly into his body and it looks obvious that's where the injury is.
On the bench, it looked the trainer was feeling around that rib area, I thought it might be that.
 
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You loosely use “very good”… his all star counterpart has nothing to do with his performance.
Nothing loose about it. As I said , (if you bothered to read) it was a weird game with few shots but tons of great chances. If you want to use all of your energy on here bashing and whining about Skinner , then fill your boots. I thought the team sucked it up in the 3rd period, and if Pods and Brown had a set of hands or any type of offensive skill, we probably score 2-3 more.
 
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You loosely use “very good”… his all star counterpart has nothing to do with his performance.

His all star counterpart absolutely has to do with our assessment of what "good goaltending" looks like he's literally the best goalie in the league.

Hellebucyck had an "ok game", not good, not bad... but it's the type of game we crucify Skinner for around here regularly.

The difference between elite goaltending and lower-average goaltending is quite simply consistency and distribution... but it isn't range, they all have GREAT games and they all have STINKERS.

Hellybucyck probably has a range like this:
Great: 35%
OK: 55%. <-- and these games include plenty where SPCT can be below 870, just like last night
Stinkers: 10%

And Skinner is probably:
Great: 10%
OK: 55%
Stinkers: 35% (this season, anyway)

My issue, and I'm sure this goes with most other people who've played the position, or played the sport at a decently high level (unless you were a lazy entitled winger ;) ... is that we have posters trying to convince us with their entirely objective advanced BS stats that every one of Skinner's "OK" games are stinkers and he was therefore THE ONLY REASON why we lost yet again.

It's just devoid from reality. Last night is a great example. If Skinner let in an uncontested, unscreened shot from above the hash marks, over his shoulder, not even top corner (as Helly did) and then followed that up with a 10MPH 5-hole goal where he had his stick out of position (as Helly did), the whole boards would be up in arms.

It's tiring. Can't we just focus on the 25% of games where he really did S#!+ the bed?
 
You do realize it’s a small sample size for the playoffs, and the majority of Pickards starts in his time here are against teams in the bottom 10.
Skinner stans cart this trash out every time. despite Skinner getting harder starts, yes, but he's brutal in those starts and his Win % in brutal in those starts and not suggestive at all in the kind of record that a goalie should be having with this club.

Its interesting that the one segment in time, ever, that Skinner had a good record with this team all the fans of him were pointing at that bleating the win streak etc was due to him, as if it was, instead of the team in front being unstoppable. Now that he's got a miserable record the same people every postgame blame the team. Its almost hilarious.
 
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Nothing loose about it. As I said , (if you bothered to read) it was a weird game with few shots but tons of great chances. If you want to use all of your energy on here bashing and whining about Skinner , then fill your boots. I thought the team sucked it up in the 3rd period, and if Pods and Brown had a set of hands or any type of offensive skill, we probably score 2-3 more.
Loose loose loose buddy.
 
His all star counterpart absolutely has to do with our assessment of what "good goaltending" looks like he's literally the best goalie in the league.

Hellebucyck had an "ok game", not good, not bad... but it's the type of game we crucify Skinner for around here regularly.

The difference between elite goaltending and lower-average goaltending is quite simply consistency and distribution... but it isn't range, they all have GREAT games and they all have STINKERS.

Hellybucyck probably has a range like this:
Great: 35%
OK: 55%. <-- and these games include plenty where SPCT can be below 870, just like last night
Stinkers: 10%

And Skinner is probably:
Great: 10%
OK: 55%
Stinkers: 35% (this season, anyway)

My issue, and I'm sure this goes with most other people who've played the position, or played the sport at a decently high level (unless you were a lazy entitled winger ;) ... is that we have posters trying to convince us with their entirely objective advanced BS stats that every one of Skinner's "OK" games are stinkers and he was therefore THE ONLY REASON why we lost yet again.

It's just devoid from reality. Last night is a great example. If Skinner let in an uncontested, unscreened shot from above the hash marks, over his shoulder, not even top corner (as Helly did) and then followed that up with a 10MPH 5-hole goal where he had his stick out of position (as Helly did), the whole boards would be up in arms.

It's tiring. Can't we just focus on the 25% of games where he really did S#!+ the bed?I
This is just countering a bunch of non sense that I didn’t say. I’m just saying Helly playing bad doesn’t mean Skinner didn’t play bad. He was not great and it’s ridiculous to say he was.

I never once blamed Skinner for the loss.

Edit : I tried goaltending once.. does that count? Almost had a stroke.
 
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Flying over to Vegas from Switzerland in a week. Have tickets to the April 1st game vs. the Golden Knights, which will be my first live game since 2019... so of course McDavid and Draisaitl get injured just before!

In all seriousness, hope neither of them are dealing with something major. Obviously the playoffs are what matters, but man, it'll be annoying if they're out of the lineup when I finally get to catch a live game again. Get well soon, McDrai!
 
And? I think helle has earned a grace period when he has a bad game, similar to when mcdrai have bad games.

Skinner hasn’t earned that, considering he has way more bad games than good ones and his stats suck.

That's fine. But save the criticism for the true stinker games, or provide analysis on the major errors Skinner made.

Goaltending was not a major factor for either team last night. There were a couple of minor errors, but not a lot to really talk about. (and yet here I go)

I wasn't a big fan of Skinner's big rebound on the 1st goal... but to a degree he was probably TRYING to push a big rebound because he had traffic in front, so somewhat bad luck, but somewhat bad awareness it ended on another stick... it's not like you can super fine-tune where your rebounds go, shots toward the five hole, there aren't a lot of options, you either deaden and cover (not an option with traffic), or stick to the sideboards or netting (not always an option with traffic)... there weren't too many other places he could put that rebound, unless he found a way to reach through the traffic to knife it up.

I also wasn't a big fan of Skinner's first goal on Helly... actually I was a big fan of it... but this is where fan-bias comes in, we all liked it, so nobody critiques it... and thus we never internalize when an opponent goalie makes a mistake... but it was one. Helly is 6'4... when he goes down IN POSITION for a shot from 30 feet out, there should be NO WAY to score over his shoulder. That puck went right over his shoulder, which means he was too deep. If in position it would just hit him.

People who haven't played goal, probably don't like the goal where Skinner ends up swimming, but I don't have a particular problem with it... it was a bouncing, deflected shot... you can't control those rebounds, then the Winnipeg player chops it off the post... when that happens, Skinner is naturally going to extend (in this case in vain) his leg further to try and stop that shot... once that happens, you can't lift your opposing knee to dig an edge in, which means you can't push, which means your only choice would be to flop for the third shot... and you can't flop over top of your own extended leg, so you let it pivot away from the danger area in order to dive with your blocker and glove... it's admittedly clumsy, but he was already fishing by that point.

Preventative goaltending would have had him NOT try to extend his leg on the 2nd shot (the one that hit the post), but rather pull it back AWAY from the open side of the net so that he could then unweight his opposing leg and push across, and then extend... but try telling your goalie brain to do that... the natural inclination is to reach, stretch as far as possible, because you usually don't have time to reset for a butterfly push and still get there. I'm small, so I have to do it on most rebounds, but bigger goalies like Skinner usually can get away without the reset... and simply stretch their limbs out.
 
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This is just countering a bunch of non sense that I didn’t say. I’m just saying Helly playing bad doesn’t mean Skinner didn’t play bad. He was not great and it’s ridiculous to say he was.

I never once blamed Skinner for the loss.

Sorry... I'm catching up on the thread, so I don't mean to put words in your mouth.

but what I wrote is not a bunch of non-sense. Judging goaltending requires benchmarks and we happened to have the best goalie in the league on display last night and he was "meh" which is to say even the best goalies can often be "meh".

Agree with you that Skinner was not great last night. He was also "meh".

Please forgive me for just assuming you were blaming Skinner, it happens so often here I just jumped to that conclusion ;) (also, I said "some posters", not necessarily you)
 
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His all star counterpart absolutely has to do with our assessment of what "good goaltending" looks like he's literally the best goalie in the league.

Hellebucyck had an "ok game", not good, not bad... but it's the type of game we crucify Skinner for around here regularly.

The difference between elite goaltending and lower-average goaltending is quite simply consistency and distribution... but it isn't range, they all have GREAT games and they all have STINKERS.

Hellybucyck probably has a range like this:
Great: 35%
OK: 55%. <-- and these games include plenty where SPCT can be below 870, just like last night
Stinkers: 10%

And Skinner is probably:
Great: 10%
OK: 55%
Stinkers: 35% (this season, anyway)

My issue, and I'm sure this goes with most other people who've played the position, or played the sport at a decently high level (unless you were a lazy entitled winger ;) ... is that we have posters trying to convince us with their entirely objective advanced BS stats that every one of Skinner's "OK" games are stinkers and he was therefore THE ONLY REASON why we lost yet again.

It's just devoid from reality. Last night is a great example. If Skinner let in an uncontested, unscreened shot from above the hash marks, over his shoulder, not even top corner (as Helly did) and then followed that up with a 10MPH 5-hole goal where he had his stick out of position (as Helly did), the whole boards would be up in arms.

It's tiring. Can't we just focus on the 25% of games where he really did S#!+ the bed?
Any Jets fan would tell you the Vancouver game and this one were probably the worst Hellbuck starts of the season. He was awful. Wasn't tracking pucks well, wasn't bothering to see through screens, was shaky on several shots and looked behind multiple times. It was an off game for him clearly and he looked fatigued, not sharp from outset. Was a rocky game from him. Not feeling it, not confident. It didn't even look like Hellebuyck. Thats fine, humans have substandard days. Of curse even the best.

The 55% OK made up stat line above is rubbish. There would be flat out half the games or more where he's great. You suggesting he's great in 1/3 of games played? C'mon.

Its odd, that you state that Skinner, vs one of the best goalies in the world both have the same proportion of "OK" games. Thats quite a preposterous reach.

Hellebuyck hasn't been good on this road trip. Like I say probably some fatigue, Jets playing him a bit too much and he had to see the net in Seattle even on his off day. On this roadtrip he's let in 9goals on 51SOG. Not even close to characteristic of the player. We got him at the best time of the whole season. fortunate to get that. He's been a wall most games in this season.

Goalie or not your post is mostly bs in this instance. you knew that prior. Sounds like a frustrated reaction post. We're all frustrated with Skinner. Especially with the apologists here.

That you didn't think this was a stinker game from Skinner is rich. Jets had hardly anything going all game and NOTHING on the PP. They had a few 2 on 1's yes, they botched those or shot wide on some. There wasn't a lot of HDSC yet Skinner allows 3GA on a paltry 16 sog and another two hit iron. Additional to that he gets caught skating out to a puck because he's slow as molasses skating. I should be impressed he made the right decision (but not in view of his speed) Same game he lets an alley-opp from Center ice get by him. This is all wrapped up in an OK game according to you, your assessment.
 
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