Offseason Trade Targets

[JediOrderPizza]

Sabres probably gonna draft like verhoeff f***. He’d be my pick in the 4-5 range. Think he’s gonna be a good one. Anyways buffalo will find they’re d replacement who’s like 7 yrs younger

We’re trading up from 15 to 8-9 to get smits or Cullen right ? … oh rightttt

Naw Atlantic is loading up while we are loading for a 8th place division finish.

 

[wingsfannnn9191]

Bowen Byram is worth the 4th overall pick in the draft? Really?

He apparently wants 10 mill so guess so

Maybe if we put our rumors copp wants 10 mill we can fetch a top 10 pick

 

[wingsfannnn9191]

Naw Atlantic is loading up while we are loading for a 8th place division finish.

ya I think what’s best at this point for the team Longterm is to send Larkin debrincat Faulk Gibson possibly copp now all bye bye and collect a bunch of prospects and 1sts and get some more guys that can be bait at the deadline and add even more assets and see if guys become available and get a top 5 draft pick next year and play some kids

It’s pointless now to trade Larkin for Robertson with no centers

Get a mctavish if you can , guys 23-24 and under and prospects and we can return from the living dead in a yr or two

 

[wingsfannnn9191]

Oh and I don’t live in Detroit so if anyone’s out there a local boo the shit out of Larkin for eternity maybe if he stayed we could have had a shot at a werenski?made other moves? It’s over now if debrincat follows suit

 

[raymond23]

Who would’ve thought that Yzerman would be less active than Holland?

Would’ve never guessed that in a million years. Didn’t think it was possible

 

[wingsfannnn9191]

Who would’ve thought that Yzerman would be less active than Holland?

Would’ve never guessed that in a million years. Didn’t think it was possible

Unless you want to give Larkin for scraps what you want to do atm? Want to trade nygard for pick 7?

 

[wingsfannnn9191]

Jesus just trade everyone

 

[ShanahanMan]

Who would’ve thought that Yzerman would be less active than Holland?

Would’ve never guessed that in a million years. Didn’t think it was possible

It’s been known for a while Yzerman is not an aggressive GM and is not really active day to day. Most of the times when he gets questioned after free agency or deadline day, he’s not even aware of many of the moves that were made.

 

[wingsfannnn9191]

Hello this is Steve … edvinsson and Rasmussen for pick 4 45 and Crevier what you say ? …. Hellooooo?

 

[The Zermanator]

Those Edvinsson for 2nd overall not looking so crazy anymore.

I do think that he has that value but would much prefer to target Misa with him though, who was also a 2OA pick. There are no 1Cs available with the 2OA this year.

Really don't agree with the suggestions from some that Edvinsson isn't worth that cost to SJ. He might be the best player from the 2021 draft, there's only like 3 or 4 other guys who you could argue go over him (Johnston, Power, Guenther?) and even then I'm probably sticking with Edvinsson on a pure best player assessment (because I'd strongly consider a 1-for-1 with Johnston due to position). But point being that he has top of the draft value IMO.

SJ needs a dman like Edvinsson more than they need a centre like Misa and the Red Wings needs a centre like Misa more than they need a dman like Edvinsson. Seems like a natural fit. SJ can use the 2OA this year to draft an elite winger to staple to Celebrini.

 

[Heaton]

 

[JediOrderPizza]

 

[The Zermanator]

I still think it was the right move at the time, but I also think it's totally fine for opinions to change based on how things played out

Well I would go so far as to say that it's fine for feelings to change, I mean hey I feel just as bummed about how it ended up shaking out as anyone. We gave up what looked to be a late-teens/early-20s pick and the long-awaited playoff return, only for the pick to end up in the lottery and Lucy yoinking away the football yet again. But there's a critique to be made of the ways in which those opinions can and have changed.

It rings hollow to me when people who supported it at the time then turn around to use it as justification to argue "well there goes Ol' Stupid Steve being all stupid again" after the fact. I don't know how people can have such confidence in their criticisms if they themselves can think the same idea is both good and terrible within a short time-frame.

 

[cvaicunas]

HFB logic:
* Byram is worth 4OA
* Larkin is twice the player as Byram
* Larkin is worth 2OA
* Misa was taken 2OA
* Larkin is worth Misa

Am I doing it right?

 

[Heaton]

Well I would go so far as to say that it's fine for feelings to change, I mean hey I feel just as bummed about how it ended up shaking out as anyone. We gave up what looked to be a late-teens/early-20s pick and the long-awaited playoff return, only for the pick to end up in the lottery and Lucy yoinking away the football yet again. But there's a critique to be made of the ways in which those opinions can and have changed.

It rings hollow to me when people who supported it at the time then turn around to use it as justification to argue "well there goes Ol' Stupid Steve being all stupid again" after the fact. I don't know how people can have such confidence in their criticisms if they themselves can think the same idea is both good and terrible within a short time-frame.

I dunno if I agree. I haven't been overly critical of Yzerman about the trade after the fact, but new information has come out to justify having a change of opinion of how the trade was manufactured. Things like, if Yzerman knew Larkin could leave and if he is telling the truth about knowing the team wasn't as good as the record it makes it harder to just chalk it up as bad luck. I was, and still am, a huge advocate for Yzerman to be more aggressive, but criticism the thought process after learning new information is fair IMO

But, you definitely have a point that agreeing with the trade and then weaponizing it later without context is weak

 

[better Red than Dead]

I would have to think Anaheim would be open to acquiring Justin Faulk from Detroit in light of Carlson moving back East

 

[Dotter]

Ottawa did a good job with their 9th overall pick. Made good value of it.

 

[The Zermanator]

I dunno if I agree. I haven't been overly critical of Yzerman about the trade after the fact, but new information has come out to justify having a change of opinion of how the trade was manufactured. Things like, if Yzerman knew Larkin could leave and if he is telling the truth about knowing the team wasn't as good as the record it makes it harder to just chalk it up as bad luck. I was, and still am, a huge advocate for Yzerman to be more aggressive, but criticism the thought process after learning new information is fair IMO

But, you definitely have a point that agreeing with the trade and then weaponizing it later without context is weak

Do we know when Larkin made his request? Seems more likely it would have been after the season to me, which wouldn't have been a factor at the trade deadline.

And in terms of whether Yzerman knew the team wasn't as good as their record, are we now criticizing him for doing something that made the team better? Isn't that what we've been collectively clamouring for him to do for quite a while now?

Fact of the matter is regardless of whether the team was a bit of a paper tiger, they were still solidly in a playoff spot at the time with an uninjured 1C. The same 1C who had made a very public plea for reinforcements a year prior, which while criticized by some for how the message was delivered, was largely agreed with.

Anyway, didn't really want to turn this into an Yzerman thread. There's finally a very active market for the first time in a long while so whichever direction he decides to take it this offseason, let's hope he makes the most of it. Starting with a healthy return for Larkin.

 

[Oddbob]

I don't think this is true, they said that Yzerman and Larkin was brewing from 2 years ago. I think Steve at least knew there was a solid chance Dylan wanted out, which makes we question why Steve made the trade for Faulk. I like that trade, but, IF Yzerman knew Larkin might want out, I don't think he should have done it.

 

[The Zermanator]

Petes had this to say in a trade thread:

San Jose is gearing up to do something very big. So what is very big?

Thomas Harley big? Mo Seider even bigger?

And if whatever they’re attempting falls through, they have themselves some great picks in this draft.

Doubt it's on the table but an interesting thought exercise. What would it take from SJ for any of you to consider a nuclear bomb like that?

It would start at Misa and the 2nd OA for me. Probably more tbh.

 

[Oddbob]

Petes had this to say in a trade thread:


Doubt it's on the table but an interesting thought exercise. What would it take from SJ for any of you to consider a nuclear bomb like that?

It would start at Misa and the 2nd OA for me. Probably more tbh.

IF Petes has inside info, why does he mention Mo?

 

[The Zermanator]

IF Petes has inside info, why does he mention Mo?

Perhaps he's heard that SJ has asked about Seider, which wouldn't say anything about whether Yzerman was open to the idea too. Not really the point though, was more interested in what kind of package people thought that would take.

 

[Oddbob]

Perhaps he's heard that SJ has asked about Seider, which wouldn't say anything about whether Yzerman was open to the idea too. Not really the point though, was more interested in what kind of package people thought that would take.

Usually when Petes posts stuff people on here act like he knows something. An ask from another team means nothing, as you could ask for any player on any team. If Yzerman was even inkling at moving Mo, then FIRE HIM now.

Not trying to be disrespectful or whatever to Petes as I do believe he knows someone or some people that know stuff, but to me I think maybe he knows someone lower in the teams hierarchy that hears stuff, but doesn't know fully what the team is doing as lots of his info never happens.

 

[minimal]

Usually when Petes posts stuff people on here act like he knows something. An ask from another team means nothing, as you could ask for any player on any team. If Yzerman was even inkling at moving Mo, then FIRE HIM now.

Not trying to be disrespectful or whatever to Petes as I do believe he knows someone or some people that know stuff, but to me I think maybe he knows someone lower in the teams hierarchy that hears stuff, but doesn't know fully what the team is doing as lots of his info never happens.

Part of it is that he does scouting, knows scouts, knows other people who scouts/scouted for other teams. It's a combo of talk in the community and knowing that certain teams are looking at or requesting scouting info on certain players.

For what it's worth, it's not the first time in the last year or so he's brought up Seider.

 

[Winger98]

Petes had this to say in a trade thread:


Doubt it's on the table but an interesting thought exercise. What would it take from SJ for any of you to consider a nuclear bomb like that?

It would start at Misa and the 2nd OA for me. Probably more tbh.

Misa and 2oa is probably my opening ask for Ed. You'd have to go quite a bit north of that for mo.