Salary Cap: Offseason Hypothetical: Would you spend 20% of the Leafs cap on one player?
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Over-valued, plus players perform better when expectations are low, we should know that by now pretty well
Super Mega
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Crosby is the only player worth that much. Stamkos is a better Kessel, offensively. Both play defense like it would kill them
7 years ago the cap was 50.3m and 20% of the cap would be about 10m.
Players who were around 26 years old 7 years ago that could be theoretically signed then are players such as Thornton, Sedin's, or Lecavalier. All were fantastic in their primes, but I wouldn't be wanting to pay them 10m any of the last few seasons.
For 20% to work I believe it would truly have to be a generational player such as Crosby to be worthwhile.
Players who were around 26 years old 7 years ago that could be theoretically signed then are players such as Thornton, Sedin's, or Lecavalier. All were fantastic in their primes, but I wouldn't be wanting to pay them 10m any of the last few seasons.
For 20% to work I believe it would truly have to be a generational player such as Crosby to be worthwhile.
Sure but it's pretty likely that Stamkos is going to break the bank given the potential cap increase over the next two years. I bet he gets at least 13 under an 80 mil cap ceiling... maybe even up to 17%. Interesting to note that Crosby is getting 12 mil in actual dollars for the first 3 years of his contract...
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Stephen
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Sounds like he is open to coming to Toronto:
http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Mich...os-the-Toronto-Maple-Leafs-and-2016/173/61292
For some reason I'm hearing Bollands words right about now...
Fwiw I was kidding, I have no idea where he'll end up 'on his terms' but should Toronto belly up to the 20% bar, maybe.
LeafsNation149
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Never, even if its crosby, suter, malkin, tavares, stamkos, weber, ovy, etc. Using rudimentary math, it is just not efficient to allocate a large portion of the cap hit to one player.
Best offensive players always get shut down. Look at Crosby and Ovechkin against Montreal in 2009-10 season where he got shut down and boston against vancouver where the nucks' top two lines were rendered obsolete.
You can try to use the 2008-09 pens cup run as a counter argument except malkin had a 4mil cap hit, therefore able to allocate money in defense.
Stanley cup winning teams can have a strong #1 D, but depth is what earns that cup. I cannot think of an example where a defenseman was paid 20% of salary.
Allocating 20% of cap would only work in individual sports such as bball, or maybe soccer. Hockey is not really an individual sport. Players can bring so many dimensions to their game.
Also: Are posters not aware that one of the biggest problems the leafs continue to have is that they are extremely inefficient at allocating dollars? It is almost as if they do not correctly measure cap hits against performance.
Reference: Jeff Finger, Mike Komisarek, Tim Connolly, Colby Armstrong, Mikhail Grabovski (1mil too high, rather Grabo than clarkson). Leafs will get better results through prudent spending.
Best offensive players always get shut down. Look at Crosby and Ovechkin against Montreal in 2009-10 season where he got shut down and boston against vancouver where the nucks' top two lines were rendered obsolete.
You can try to use the 2008-09 pens cup run as a counter argument except malkin had a 4mil cap hit, therefore able to allocate money in defense.
Stanley cup winning teams can have a strong #1 D, but depth is what earns that cup. I cannot think of an example where a defenseman was paid 20% of salary.
Allocating 20% of cap would only work in individual sports such as bball, or maybe soccer. Hockey is not really an individual sport. Players can bring so many dimensions to their game.
Also: Are posters not aware that one of the biggest problems the leafs continue to have is that they are extremely inefficient at allocating dollars? It is almost as if they do not correctly measure cap hits against performance.
Reference: Jeff Finger, Mike Komisarek, Tim Connolly, Colby Armstrong, Mikhail Grabovski (1mil too high, rather Grabo than clarkson). Leafs will get better results through prudent spending.
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i would rather wrap up 1 bonafied player then drop 5 million on a bunch of players like Clarkson the way the leafs are prone to doing anyways.
When a player such as Dubinsky is getting around 6 million, why even think twice about paying a Stamkos type player 11-12 million? You do it, you have to. You fill a spot with a rookie and that is already a better team then 2 Dubinsky's for example. You need a couple game breakers on your team ,and thats what Chicago just paid for. Even if it means gutting a part of their team. They did it once before after their last cup win and then won another cup a few years later. The cap will go up. When you can sign a big name player you do it and a couple years later when the cap is up you are laughing. Also im referring to someone that would be around Crosby/Stamkos age hitting UFA (26/27 years old type thing).
- NOT Brad Richards garbage
If we re-signed Kessel now compared to when we did, we'd be paying another 1 mil/year the way the market is going, at the least. A year from now? Kessel would be getting 10M/year if signed in 2015. You create cap space by acquiring the top end talent by all means necessary and the gap of 2 years for the cap to rise lets you create a contender.
Don't pay stamkos 13mil in 2016, couple years later 15 mil is the norm or something absurd.
When a player such as Dubinsky is getting around 6 million, why even think twice about paying a Stamkos type player 11-12 million? You do it, you have to. You fill a spot with a rookie and that is already a better team then 2 Dubinsky's for example. You need a couple game breakers on your team ,and thats what Chicago just paid for. Even if it means gutting a part of their team. They did it once before after their last cup win and then won another cup a few years later. The cap will go up. When you can sign a big name player you do it and a couple years later when the cap is up you are laughing. Also im referring to someone that would be around Crosby/Stamkos age hitting UFA (26/27 years old type thing).
- NOT Brad Richards garbage
If we re-signed Kessel now compared to when we did, we'd be paying another 1 mil/year the way the market is going, at the least. A year from now? Kessel would be getting 10M/year if signed in 2015. You create cap space by acquiring the top end talent by all means necessary and the gap of 2 years for the cap to rise lets you create a contender.
Don't pay stamkos 13mil in 2016, couple years later 15 mil is the norm or something absurd.
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Stamkos or MacKinnon or Toews maybe for me. Until Paul Coffey comes back or Bobby Orr I am fine without the Dmen.
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A) crosby is the only player worth that much now
b) at 26 crosby would not be worth that deal. I would sign a 23 year old to that deal. Anyone older won't be worth it by the time the deal ends
b) at 26 crosby would not be worth that deal. I would sign a 23 year old to that deal. Anyone older won't be worth it by the time the deal ends
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Toews, etc
If it was a generational franchise talent and a core leader and captain then YES !!!!
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Not going to lie if the Leafs picked up either Kane or Toews in free agency I'd probably be stoked. Even for that price
Going to vote yes
Going to vote yes
He posted a picture of himself holding a wad of cash with the name of Nicky Minaj's record label shaved into his head?
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If Stamkos REALLY has his sights set of Toronto(he probably doesn't but it's nice to imagine it.....) then Tampa and Toronto should work out a trade soon, before he walks away from them as a free agent and they get nothing for him.
To Toronto: Steven Stamkos
To Tampa: Kessel, Kadri, 2015 1st, 2016 2nd
Boom.
JVR - Stamkos - Santorelli
Lupul - Bozak - Clarkson
Komarov - Kontiola - Frattin
Bodie - Holland - Ashton
To Toronto: Steven Stamkos
To Tampa: Kessel, Kadri, 2015 1st, 2016 2nd
Boom.
JVR - Stamkos - Santorelli
Lupul - Bozak - Clarkson
Komarov - Kontiola - Frattin
Bodie - Holland - Ashton
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