Player Discussion: official trade deadline 2025 // discussion thread

[stevo61]

This whole thing is kinda strange. Is Waddell aiming sky high and teams are unsure they want to trade the players Waddell is after? Is Waddell just doing lip service to see how the team handles this adversity? While having more info on the cap moving forward is nice it's not like we are pushing near the limit anytime soon.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

NY at times last night (like on 4-on-4) looked incredibly sharp. Plus they have a great goalie. They aren’t going anywhere. If I had to predict the playoffs right now it would be:

Caps, Canes, Devils

Panthers, Leafs, Lightning

and then the two wildcards would come from Sens, Rangers, Bruins, and maybe Wings.

The Bruins and Rangers have the experience, and the Red Wings and Sens are ahead of us on the rebuild.

I expect us to finish 10th - 12th in the East. (Which, by the way, is serious improvement.)

Do I like trying and not tanking given where the team is in its development? Yes. Do I make some moves for the short term and not trade Provorov? No.

All that is fine too. Just have a plan and a reason for it and stick to it. The failure of a plan to bring about the desired results does not mean it was a bad plan. Trade Provorov. Keep Provirov. But don’t measure the success of either approach in whether the team makes the playoffs.

 

[JohnnyJacket13]

Both are a step behind the type of players they were even last year.

And they both are many steps ahead of what Pyythia and Danforth bring to the table

 

[majormajor]

And they both are many steps ahead of what Pyythia and Danforth bring to the table

Nyquist yes. I'm not sure if Tarasenko is NHL caliber anymore.

 

[stevo61]

Get the Russians back in Gavrikov's ear. I wonder how he feels about Columbus these days. He obviously has friends there and the management that moved on is no longer here. A top 4 of Werenski-Fabbro Mateychuk-Gavrikov would be fantastic and not have to do something stupid like trade Voronkov.

 

[majormajor]

I'd say the odds of passing up a first, if we don't expect to sign Provorov, are very low. Not something to worry about.

There will be no rentals for 1sts. I think we either head towards the draft with 3 1sts or we move some for pieces we can use next year and going forward. Either trades for guys at the deadline that have term (cough Pelech, cough Bjorkstrand), or trades at the draft.

Quick correction - I think we get a later 1st if we move Provy but that's less likely to be a 2025 1st. Nine of the 11 picks from 20-30 have already been moved to teams lower down the standings (including Minnesota's to us).

A 2026 1st would be great because we can use it as trade ammo at the next deadline (if not sooner).

 

[koteka]

Get the Russians back in Gavrikov's ear. I wonder how he feels about Columbus these days. He obviously has friends there and the management that moved on is no longer here. A top 4 of Werenski-Fabbro Mateychuk-Gavrikov would be fantastic and not have to do something stupid like trade Voronkov.

What Russians? His close Russian friends were Bob and Panarin. Those are the guys that he hung with and went on vacation with.

I highly doubt Gavrikov will come back here. He will stay in LA or go to the highest bidder. If he goes somewhere for his Russian friends, that would be Florida or the Rangers. Now Gavrikov to the Rags and the Rags trade us K’Andre Miller - I could get behind that.

 

[MoeBartoli]

And they both are many steps ahead of what Pyythia and Danforth bring to the table

But you wouldn’t be bringing them in to replace either. You’re Loki g for top 6 forwards - high end 3rd line at least. Danforth is really a 4th line guy and Pyythia an AHLer.

That said Nyquist could fill a slot

 

[stevo61]

What Russians? His close Russian friends were Bob and Panarin. Those are the guys that he hung with and went on vacation with.

I highly doubt Gavrikov will come back here. He will stay in LA or go to the highest bidder. If he goes somewhere for his Russian friends, that would be Florida or the Rangers. Now Gavrikov to the Rags and the Rags trade us K’Andre Miller - I could get behind that.

Those were 2 separate sentences, Gavrikov had some time with these guys and obviously played a part when they came over to help the transition. The friends comment could be any player of any nationality.

 

[CBJ goalie]

Like another poster said on here recently, I don't get the infatuation with bringing ex-Jackets back.

And for the record, I'm all for keeping Provorov.
The assets required to get another D like him will outweigh what they may get for him.
CBJ do not need anymore draft picks, and the cupboard is full of prospects.

Stay the course; in GMDW I trust.

 

[majormajor]

What Russians? His close Russian friends were Bob and Panarin. Those are the guys that he hung with and went on vacation with.

Gavi and his wife are friends with them but also friends with the Marchenkos. Bob and Artemi left after Gavi played two games with them. He played two years alongside Chinny and one next to Marchy.

Like another poster said on here recently, I don't get the infatuation with bringing ex-Jackets back.

It's entirely about fit. You're not going to see me clamoring to get back most ex Jackets.

The Jackets biggest long term need is a mobile defensive D. Gavrikov is unquestionably the best one on the market and is playing the best of his career now on the right side in L.A. There isn't another guy you can point to. If you think you can sign him, then obviously do that and trade Provorov, who is a step down.

With Gus and Bjorky there are more players around the league, and you're welcome to bring them up. For all I know Jason Zucker or somebody would be an even better fit, but I don't know his game well. Obviously we need a veteran that can play at a 2nd line level and slide players like Cole Sillinger back down into the bottom six.

Either someone who can come cheap (Gus) or who is a little younger and has more time under contract (Bjorky). There are also specific attributes there that I know we could use - Gus' puck protection and changing the pace is something that a lot of our younger players need to learn. And Bjorky I know as one of the best forechecking scorers, it would be great if he can pass that on to more of our younger guys.

Feel free to suggest more guys that are not ex Jackets, at forward at least there's a lot of guys around the league that could help. It wouldn't be hard to be better than Sillinger.

 

[koteka]

If you're implying that Marchenko for Dobson would be an even trade, it would not.

I am explicitly stating we have one top end scoring forward currently, and that is Marchenko. The ask for Dobson is a top end scoring forward. People can talk about offering other pieces, but they are not what the Islanders are looking for. We can argue about who adds, but the fact is the piece from Columbus that gets Dobson is the one and only top end scoring forward we have.

Sort of like how I would trade Voronkov for a right D. People shouldn’t say “How would you feel about Dylan Cozens for Voronkov?” to me because I have been clear that I want right D.

What I find interesting is you are adamant that a team should be willing to fill itself out through trades and free agency, but you seem completely unwilling to even entertain the idea of trading our young guys with the most upside. Their upside (and the fact they are still cost controlled) is what makes the young guys valuable trade pieces. If you want to pull off a big trade to make this team better, you are very likely going to have to move one of Marchenko, Voronkov, or KJ.

 

[Youngguns1380]

Okay lets be clear no trading Marchenko, Voronkov, Fantilli, KJ, Z, Mateychuk. So let’s stop talking about this (especially Voronkov - he is a unicorn).

That is our core.

No Mitts or Tarasenko.

 

[koteka]

Okay lets be clear no trading Marchenko, Voronkov, Fantilli, KJ, Z, Mateychuk. So let’s stop talking about this (especially Voronkov - he is a unicorn).

That is our core.

No Mitts or Tarasenko.

Pssst: our core seems to be lacking a right defenseman

 

[majormajor]

I am explicitly stating we have one top end scoring forward currently, and that is Marchenko. The ask for Dobson is a top end scoring forward. People can talk about offering other pieces, but they are not what the Islanders are looking for. We can argue about who adds, but the fact is the piece from Columbus that gets Dobson is the one and only top end scoring forward we have.

This debate is purely a hypothetical for me - since Dobson isn't someone I think we should be targeting. Good player but not a stylistic need. But FWIW I'm not sure that the Isles wouldn't do that trade for KJ or Voronkov, perhaps the Isles would see them as top line caliber guys who could make their offense take a step, even if they're not point per game guys yet.

If you want to pull off a big trade to make this team better, you are very likely going to have to move one of Marchenko, Voronkov, or KJ.

To pull off a huge trade for an established elite guy in his 20s with term, then yes.

But there's a lot of other ways to find your Gus Forsling or Devon Toews or Val Nichushkin or Sam Reinhart.

When I say it's not all about drafting, well it's not all about giant trades either. I think we should be prepared to do semi-big trades that involve top prospects and picks.

 

[CBJx614]

Gavi and his wife are friends with them but also friends with the Marchenkos. Bob and Artemi left after Gavi played two games with them. He played two years alongside Chinny and one next to Marchy.

Don't forget Elvis. I'm pretty sure they were super closer as well.

 

[Youngguns1380]

Pssst: our core seems to be lacking a right defenseman

That doesn’t mean you give up one of your core pieces. BTW Dobson why intriguing is not a player I would trade for using any of the previous core mentioned as pieces for the trade.

 

[Youngguns1380]

Some of names being thrown around

1. Cozens
2. Boesner
3. Bjorkstrand

 

[Cowumbus]

Some of names being thrown around

1. Cozens
2. Boesner
3. Bjorkstrand

Probably not realistic, but I’d go after Ryan McLeod and Morgan Geekie.

 

[S1N4TR4]

I am explicitly stating we have one top end scoring forward currently, and that is Marchenko. The ask for Dobson is a top end scoring forward. People can talk about offering other pieces, but they are not what the Islanders are looking for. We can argue about who adds, but the fact is the piece from Columbus that gets Dobson is the one and only top end scoring forward we have.

Sort of like how I would trade Voronkov for a right D. People shouldn’t say “How would you feel about Dylan Cozens for Voronkov?” to me because I have been clear that I want right D.

What I find interesting is you are adamant that a team should be willing to fill itself out through trades and free agency, but you seem completely unwilling to even entertain the idea of trading our young guys with the most upside. Their upside (and the fact they are still cost controlled) is what makes the young guys valuable trade pieces. If you want to pull off a big trade to make this team better, you are very likely going to have to move one of Marchenko, Voronkov, or KJ.

out of those 3 listed in the last sentence of this post, voronkov is the most expendable. the other two are absolutely practically untouchable

 

[koteka]

out of those 3 listed in the last sentence of this post, voronkov is the most expendable. the other two are absolutely practically untouchable

That is sort of how I feel. But you build a team around centers and right D. Jarmo’s mistake, in my opinion, was trying to build a team around wings and left D. When people list their “do not move” lists I am seeing a bunch of wings and left D. I am open to trading anyone FOR THE RIGHT RETURN.

 

[EspenK]

One other thing to keep in mind is that teams in the playoff hunt are not going to trade away key players now. It seems to me that the best time to do a major trade is in the off season before the draft. Something like a 3rd for Nyquist could happen but I don't see a big trade for established guys who could help fill out the roster at this point.

 

[ThirdPeriodTurtle]

I don't really have strong opinions either way but I do think it would be beneficial to do something towards the "upgrade", just to get into the habit of "we're successful, this is what we do". Maybe more so for the front office guys, get the experience of going through this again. It's been a while since they (at least the ones from the previous regime) have been thinking hard about deadline acquisitions. Build a winning culture this way too.

Having said that, I'd trade Provorov if we can't get him extended and there's a 1st+ offered. Sell and buy with the future in mind.

 

[Napoli]

Provorov seems to like it here, which is cool but let's not overpay. 7 million a year is plenty for a player of his caliber, he'a not great offensively or defensively, just because we don't have a viable replacement and we're "in the hunt" does not mean we should overpay to keep him.

There will be better players available in the future that better fit this team. Sign him if its possible at the proper terms, otherwise, trade to the highest bidder and keep building for the future.