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Team would be in the same spot if they traded Savard and Armia.

Gotta say that's another little strike against Hughes and co on their decision making
Is this even a serious post?

We’ve seen the “remarkable success” of Pezzetta & Roy, which player in the system would slot in seamlessly and provide the PK and 4th line efficiency of Armia exactly?
 
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In what world, would a GM, intentionally f*** his team, after they got back into the playoffs, just to get their 15th pick of the draft and their 40th pick over the past 3 drafts?

Yeah, a total strike against Hughes that he didn't piss off Suzuki and everybody in the room.

Agreed. At this point, what’s a 3rd for Armia and maybe a 5th or 6th for Savard going to do? We already have a bunch if picks again this year and still have so many potential prospects to still sign. Even if we got serviceable players, they’d be 4-6 years away.

People like to point out Hutson, which is true, but really, how often does that happen?

Plus, if we traded them, Hughes would have had to make trades to replace them. Sure, he could call guys up from Laval but I think letting the AHL team make their run with the best roster they can is better for everyone.
 
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Agreed. At this point, what’s a 3rd for Armia and maybe a 5th or 6th for Savard going to do? We already have a bunch if picks again this year and still have so many potential prospects to still sign. Even if we got serviceable players, they’d be 4-6 years away.

People like to point out Hutson, which is true, but really, how often does that happen?

Plus, if we traded them, Hughes would have had to make trades to replace them. Sure, he could call guys up from Laval but I think letting the AHL team make their run with the best roster they can is better for everyone.

Hughes mentioned that as well, they'd just have to rob Laval of players if they sold them for low value picks.

Citing Hutson is pretty disingenuous anyways.. he was a 2nd round pick, our 2nd one, of which we already have 2 in this class that is noted to be weak and not deep.
 
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In what world, would a GM, intentionally f*** his team, after they got back into the playoffs, just to get their 15th pick of the draft and their 40th pick over the past 3 drafts?

Yeah, a total strike against Hughes that he didn't piss off Suzuki and everybody in the room.
If trading players away pisses off the person to the point they don't want to play, that's on them and not a player any team would want.

Suzuki isn't that type of player to hold a grudge like that.

Ottawa traded Norris and Ottawa has been fine.

Colorado traded Rantanen and they're fine.

Trading some duds, this team would be fine.
 
If trading players away pisses off the person to the point they don't want to play, that's on them and not a player any team would want.

Suzuki isn't that type of player to hold a grudge like that.

Ottawa traded Norris and Ottawa has been fine.

Colorado traded Rantanen and they're fine.

Trading some duds, this team would be fine.

Ottawa traded Norris and brought in Cousins.

Colorado traded Rantanen and brought in Necas, Nelson, etc. etc.

That's not the same as trading away players for low value picks and sabotaging their chances to make the playoffs.

Suzuki came to Hughes and said they didn't want to trade anyone away for the third year in a row. Hughes said to him, then win and get yourself back in the conversation.

Not only did they do that but Suzuki led the charge being tied for the most points out of the 4 Nations Break.

To turn around and trade those guys for middling picks after that would be such a stupid, relationship killer of a move.. and for what?


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They have MORE than enough.
 
Ottawa traded Norris and brought in Cousins.

Colorado traded Rantanen and brought in Necas, Nelson, etc. etc.

That's not the same as trading away players for low value picks and sabotaging their chances to make the playoffs.

Suzuki came to Hughes and said they didn't want to trade anyone away for the third year in a row. Hughes said to him, then win and get yourself back in the conversation.

Not only did they do that but Suzuki led the charge being tied for the most points out of the 4 Nations Break.

To turn around and trade those guys for middling picks after that would be such a stupid, relationship killer of a move.. and for what?


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They have MORE than enough.
You get better picks, exchanging the ones you already have. Too difficult?

Seems to me the excuse is just that and not a plausible reasoning.
 
Is this even a serious post?

We’ve seen the “remarkable success” of Pezzetta & Roy, which player in the system would slot in seamlessly and provide the PK and 4th line efficiency of Armia exactly?
Nico Sturm, who got traded for a 4th. You get a similar player and you move up a round, or 2 in picks. Specifically you get picks in the 2026, or 2027 draft to spread it out.

Vincent Desharnais for a 5th. Granted, he does have another year, but it's only 2 mill. A little left over from hiding him in the A, but a chance he could get claimed.

Replace the two, traded picks from this year's draft that later in the draft for picks in next year's draft, or the year after to spread them out.
 
You get better picks, exchanging the ones you already have. Too difficult?

Seems to me the excuse is just that and not a plausible reasoning.

There's no excuse. After multiple years of tanking and trading players away.. the Captain and the team got into a playoff spot, and you are going to purposefully weaken your roster, after making a promise to your captain, and then weaken Laval.. just to get another 5th round pick for Dvorak and a 3rd for Armia?

That would be one of the most bone headed moves by a GM, ever.

You don't undermine your roster who makes a push. I know a team who did that, the Buffalo Sabres.. they certainly recovered as a group.
 
There's no excuse. After multiple years of tanking and trading players away.. the Captain and the team got into a playoff spot, and you are going to purposefully weaken your roster, after making a promise to your captain, and then weaken Laval.. just to get another 5th round pick for Dvorak and a 3rd for Armia?

That would be one of the most bone headed moves by a GM, ever.

You don't undermine your roster who makes a push. I know a team who did that, the Buffalo Sabres.. they certainly recovered as a group.
No I would have gotten better picks by bundling the ones we already had. Specially with Armia doing f*** all atm, and even Evans with his disappearing act, it puts things in perspective.

If they really wanted to do a push, they would have gone after other vets like Zetterlund and Granlund and ...

Look the Islanders sold on Nelson and they're fighting for a playoff spot as well. Players know it's a business, if they can't take it, I surely hope they get a serious lesson and a good amount maturity out of this race, otherwise I count this as a zero sum operation: Nothing gained, nothing lost.
 
Nico Sturm, who got traded for a 4th. You get a similar player and you move up a round, or 2 in picks. Specifically you get picks in the 2026, or 2027 draft to spread it out.

Vincent Desharnais for a 5th. Granted, he does have another year, but it's only 2 mill. A little left over from hiding him in the A, but a chance he could get claimed.

Replace the two, traded picks from this year's draft that later in the draft for picks in next year's draft, or the year after to spread them out.
It’s asinine in a season when the stated objective from Day 1 is to play “meaningful games late into the year” and when both SVP & GM publicly state multiple times “we have enough picks and not looking to add”…. then do an about face 7-weeks before end of the season, disrupting a top-12 PK from a sum of all parts roster construction…

Sturm & Desharnais are unknown personalities for a close knit group (53% young & inexperienced) that’s literally a sum of all parts TEAM…

That’s how management destroys team chemistry, hence, progress …

Everyone has the right to believe whatever they chose…. I would only add the rebuild is OVER, all moves going fwd are hockey trades to help now + mid term success, days of strictly looking long term are done with
 
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No I would have gotten better picks by bundling the ones we already had. Specially with Armia doing f*** all atm, and even Evans with his disappearing act, it puts things in perspective.

If they really wanted to do a push, they would have gone after other vets like Zetterlund and Granlund and ...

Look the Islanders sold on Nelson and they're fighting for a playoff spot as well. Players know it's a business, if they can't take it, I surely hope they get a serious lesson and a good amount maturity out of this race, otherwise I count this as a zero sum operation: Nothing gained, nothing lost.

We have more than enough picks to bundle them to try and move up.

You don't give your Captain a challenge and then go back on your promise. That's what Bergevin did with the Subban bridge deal. It's bad management.

They compromised, they didn't trade anyone off the roster and didn't spend picks or prospects on the market. They said you got here, go and try and make it.

21 picks in two drafts. They can do ANYTHING they want.
It's one thing to operate like it's a business, which is what they would have done if they didn't fight their way back into a playoff spot.. but they did fight their way back in, you don't undermine that process for ancillary picks.

This year was all about being in the mix, they've achieved that. They are getting experience playing in big games that they need to win down the stretch and are getting big performances from core players. That is all very important information. I'm sure they are also seeing that Monty is giving up bad goals with regularity in big games, that's information as well about how viable he is an option down the line.
 
We have more than enough picks to bundle them to try and move up.

You don't give your Captain a challenge and then go back on your promise. That's what Bergevin did with the Subban bridge deal. It's bad management.

They compromised, they didn't trade anyone off the roster and didn't spend picks or prospects on the market. They said you got here, go and try and make it.

21 picks in two drafts. They can do ANYTHING they want.
It's one thing to operate like it's a business, which is what they would have done if they didn't fight their way back into a playoff spot.. but they did fight their way back in, you don't undermine that process for ancillary picks.

This year was all about being in the mix, they've achieved that. They are getting experience playing in big games that they need to win down the stretch and are getting big performances from core players. That is all very important information. I'm sure they are also seeing that Monty is giving up bad goals with regularity in big games, that's information as well about how viable he is an option down the line.
Right so the promise is really what hurt, if they fail the race.

I agree once you promised something as a GM you don't go back on your word. That said I would have gotten at least one vet, so to avoid playing Joshua Roy on the bench. At least one addition was necessary.

With all those worthless picks anyhow, I bet we won't even be able to move up. No one is going to care in this draft. Whereas if you throw them out on UFA, teams are more likely to not care...
 
You get better picks, exchanging the ones you already have. Too difficult?

Seems to me the excuse is just that and not a plausible reasoning.
It’s public knowledge that Suzuki asked them not to sell. Hughes challenged him and the team responded. You can’t then turn around and deal those players away.

Honestly, we already have an abundance of picks and prospects. We’ve done a great job of stockpiling. And we can still trade some of these guys over the summer.

There’s a very real chance of us making the playoffs now. I don’t get why folks would be surprised or upset that we didn’t do anything.
 
Right so the promise is really what hurt, if they fail the race.

I agree once you promised something as a GM you don't go back on your word. That said I would have gotten at least one vet, so to avoid playing Joshua Roy on the bench. At least one addition was necessary.

With all those worthless picks anyhow, I bet we won't even be able to move up. No one is going to care in this draft. Whereas if you throw them out on UFA, teams are more likely to not care...
No additions were necessary, the team isn't ready and the GM knows it. He was just leaving the team as-is to not play "bad guy", no matter what he says in the press. We were in on Cozens and some other dudes, but hey, we didn't get them, and there's no rush, it can wait until the off-season.
 
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Right so the promise is really what hurt, if they fail the race.

I agree once you promised something as a GM you don't go back on your word. That said I would have gotten at least one vet, so to avoid playing Joshua Roy on the bench. At least one addition was necessary.

With all those worthless picks anyhow, I bet we won't even be able to move up. No one is going to care in this draft. Whereas if you throw them out on UFA, teams are more likely to not care...

They were balancing that out though.. the price to add a veteran was prohibitive. Maybe a Kunin or something was affordable to do, but if the pro scouts didn't feel they were an improvement on in house options.. then that's what they felt.
 
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No additions were necessary, the team isn't ready and the GM knows it. He was just leaving the team as-is to not play "bad guy", no matter what he says in the press. We were in on Cozens and some other dudes, but hey, we didn't get them, and there's no rush, it can wait until the off-season.
Being ready or not isn't the question from what I gathered, it's about doing a meaningful push for the experience of a playoff run.

Therefor YOU DO GET help, because that's what the entire league does, not just contenders.
 
Right so the promise is really what hurt, if they fail the race.

I agree once you promised something as a GM you don't go back on your word. That said I would have gotten at least one vet, so to avoid playing Joshua Roy on the bench. At least one addition was necessary.

With all those worthless picks anyhow, I bet we won't even be able to move up. No one is going to care in this draft. Whereas if you throw them out on UFA, teams are more likely to not care...
We have so much to trade with already and an abundance of prospects. Savard, Matheson, Strubal, X, Mailloux, Mesar, Roy, Engstrom…. We have three firsts in the. Ext two years. It’s not like we’ve missed the boat on anything here.

Some of those players will stay and some will go. But it’s time to start cashing in assets and buy rather than sell. We need a 2nd line center and a RD. I expect we’ll see moves to that effect over the summer.

Losing Armia for nothing is okay considering the circumstances. We’re already stocked full of assets.
 
Right so the promise is really what hurt, if they fail the race.

I agree once you promised something as a GM you don't go back on your word. That said I would have gotten at least one vet, so to avoid playing Joshua Roy on the bench. At least one addition was necessary.

With all those worthless picks anyhow, I bet we won't even be able to move up. No one is going to care in this draft. Whereas if you throw them out on UFA, teams are more likely to not care...
There’s been a consistency with HuGo over their time here - a strong belief that the Mtl market is not made for most players and that impacts who they target / able to acquire
 
They were balancing that out though.. the price to add a veteran was prohibitive. Maybe a Kunin or something was affordable to do, but if the pro scouts didn't feel they were an improvement on in house options.. then that's what they felt.
I don't know about that.. Then they had Beck for a couple games, then recalled Roy on emergency, neither of them seems ready to get an NHL spot. I would have gotten Kunin for sure. Who cares about 4th rounders really.. I would have given 2 lol
 
Being ready or not isn't the question from what I gathered, it's about doing a meaningful push for the experience of a playoff run.

Therefor YOU DO GET help, because that's what the entire league does, not just contenders.
Naw... You don't jeopardize plans just so that the team can get swept in 4 games and sustain injuries for a team that you (the GM) don't think is ready for a playoff push yet. If the team says they are, then leave it to them to prove it to you. You don't spoil your kids by getting them everything they want, they need to prove their worth first, and you then reward them for it. Even then, groups can over-achieve and the results don't always sum up their actual worth.
 
Naw... You don't jeopardize plans just so that the team can get swept in 4 games and sustain injuries for a team that you (the GM) don't think is ready for a playoff push yet. If the team says they are, then leave it to them to prove it to you. You don't spoil your kids by getting them everything they want, they need to prove their worth first, and you then reward them for it. Even then, groups can over-achieve and the results don't always sum up their actual worth.
What do you mean that's what they risk when getting no help???

Say they make the playoff now with no one to sustain the push... That's the highest risk on the board.
 
There’s been a consistency with HuGo over their time here - a strong belief that the Mtl market is not made for most players and that impacts who they target / able to acquire
Didn't seem to bother them when they got Laine.

If they're going to be managing on principal for the entire tenure, I don't trust this rebuild will succeed.
 
Didn't seem to bother them when they got Laine.

If they're going to be managing on principal for the entire tenure, I don't trust this rebuild will succeed.
Sure they did - Laine understands CDN market
demands from his time with Jets, and Laine willingly waived for Habs which he didn’t do for Minny, Philly and apparently another team

Additionally it applies to their draft picks as well…
 

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