Official Coyotes 2019-2020 Roster Discussion Thread #4

[hbk]

Grabner, Richardson and Soda are probably gone. Hayton in for sure. That will be four new players next year. Add Soderstrom I only see maybe one or two other changes.

Depends on his injury recovery but don’t rule out Jenik making this squad in an agitator role. You want a player who can manufacture hate. It’s him.

 

[Jakey53]

Depends on his injury recovery but don’t rule out Jenik making this squad in an agitator role. You want a player who can manufacture hate. It’s him.

I agree.

 

[XX]

Depends on his injury recovery but don’t rule out Jenik making this squad in an agitator role. You want a player who can manufacture hate. It’s him.

He has real offensive upside. He also was switched to center. I don't want to see him getting 10 mins a night.

 

[YotesFan47]

Kessel should have no bearing on this.

A $6.8m, only offense winger that's underpreforming on a cap team should have no bearing? If we're including a different winger in the trade to acquire Trocheck then sure but the base is Hjalmersson for Trocheck...

 

[rt]

I don’t want OEL to be the captain of this team any longer. To me that means we have to trade him. I’d trade him for the best center we can get, even though I know that will be a center with major warts. That accomplishes two things hopefully; gets some kind of skill up the middle and makes it so OEL is no longer captain.

I’d do that at our earliest opportunity because it seems like a workable deal to get that done would be pretty rare. I wouldn’t worry about max value. I just want to make a change. I don’t see us going far with him leading the way. I want to CTRL+Z that decision to commit to him long-term, as our captain. I think it was a mistake.

I’d fire Tocchet and hire Boudreau immediately because we could. Boudreau would likely come here. So let’s just do it. No need to wait.

I’d trade Hall for the best return I could get. We aren’t making the playoffs and he isn’t re-signing. It’s a sad thing, but we have to face reality. He needs to go, so we don’t lose him for nothing.

I want Stepan, Kessel and Goligoski gone at all costs. I can’t stomach any of them still being on the roster next season. Goligoski should be easy to trade. I’m sure we could get a 2nd round pick tomorrow for him. Stepan and Kessel might take more time to be rid of. I’d be willing to take some lumps to get them the f*** out.

That’s where my head would be on deadline-eve. I’m sure Chayka is just working the phones trying to add a better 3rd pair defender because he thinks we will make the playoffs and that Tocchet is great and OEL is great and that there’s no issue with Hall staying or Stepan or Goligoski or Kessel leading this team.

If that’s true, I’d fire Chayka also.

 

[rt]

A $6.8m, only offense winger that's underpreforming on a cap team should have no bearing? If we're including a different winger in the trade to acquire Trocheck then sure but the base is Hjalmersson for Trocheck...

I used the word “this” and it was a key one.

 

[YotesFan47]

I used the word “this” and it was a key one.

Unless you're saying you're not discussing the team roster, purely discussing value of Trocheck for Hjalmersson so Kessel has no bearing, I disagree with you.

 

[zerekstar]

I don’t want OEL to be the captain of this team any longer. To me that means we have to trade him. I’d trade him for the best center we can get, even though I know that will be a center with major warts. That accomplishes two things hopefully; gets some kind of skill up the middle and makes it so OEL is no longer captain.

I’d do that at our earliest opportunity because it seems like a workable deal to get that done would be pretty rare. I wouldn’t worry about max value. I just want to make a change. I don’t see us going far with him leading the way. I want to CTRL+Z that decision to commit to him long-term, as our captain. I think it was a mistake.

I’d fire Tocchet and hire Boudreau immediately because we could. Boudreau would likely come here. So let’s just do it. No need to wait.

I’d trade Hall for the best return I could get. We aren’t making the playoffs and he isn’t re-signing. It’s a sad thing, but we have to face reality. He needs to go, so we don’t lose him for nothing.

I want Stepan, Kessel and Goligoski gone at all costs. I can’t stomach any of them still being on the roster next season. Goligoski should be easy to trade. I’m sure we could get a 2nd round pick tomorrow for him. Stepan and Kessel might take more time to be rid of. I’d be willing to take some lumps to get them the f*ck out.

That’s where my head would be on deadline-eve. I’m sure Chayka is just working the phones trying to add a better 3rd pair defender because he thinks we will make the playoffs and that Tocchet is great and OEL is great and that there’s no issue with Hall staying or Stepan or Goligoski or Kessel leading this team.

If that’s true, I’d fire Chayka also.

 

[zerekstar]

I agree with this but would like to include one thing going forward. Get Josh Anderson. Im not sure what we would give but we need a heart and soul guy like that.

Also I would like to see Doan back in the organization in some capacity. I think he is a motivator so maybe assistant coach and see how it goes from there. I am sick of watching complacent hockey. Maybe sign Dillon in the off-season.

 

[zerekstar]

If by some miracle Hall stays, offer him the "C"

 

[Mosby]

I think you're dreaming if you think OEL loses his C or gets traded. It's just not going to happen.

Better to hope that he's been playing injured, he's been battling the pressure of the first year of his huge extension, and that Housley has him all screwed up.

 

[The Feckless Puck]

Looks like Chychrun may be out longer than we all had hoped.

 

[The Feckless Puck]

I think you're dreaming if you think OEL loses his C or gets traded. It's just not going to happen.

Better to hope that he's been playing injured, he's been battling the pressure of the first year of his huge extension, and that Housley has him all screwed up.

Except his game cratered before Housley got here.

Something happened to him around the time when Doan left the team. Maybe it's because his mom died, I dunno. But ever since then he's been a shadow of his former self. It's sad.

 

[moosemeister]

Looks like Chychrun may be out longer than we all had hoped.

Amazing

 

[MIGs Dog]

Except his game cratered before Housley got here.

Something happened to him around the time when Doan left the team. Maybe it's because his mom died, I dunno. But ever since then he's been a shadow of his former self. It's sad.

What I first remember about OEL was how effortlessly fast he was on skates. First-year in the league I can't remember him ever getting beat due to speed. I think he's heavier now, which could slow him down. However, it does not account for the lost shot/scoring.

 

[moosemeister]

Well Chychrun injury isn’t a knee, which is good

 

[Jakey53]

I don’t want OEL to be the captain of this team any longer. To me that means we have to trade him. I’d trade him for the best center we can get, even though I know that will be a center with major warts. That accomplishes two things hopefully; gets some kind of skill up the middle and makes it so OEL is no longer captain.

I’d do that at our earliest opportunity because it seems like a workable deal to get that done would be pretty rare. I wouldn’t worry about max value. I just want to make a change. I don’t see us going far with him leading the way. I want to CTRL+Z that decision to commit to him long-term, as our captain. I think it was a mistake.

I’d fire Tocchet and hire Boudreau immediately because we could. Boudreau would likely come here. So let’s just do it. No need to wait.

I’d trade Hall for the best return I could get. We aren’t making the playoffs and he isn’t re-signing. It’s a sad thing, but we have to face reality. He needs to go, so we don’t lose him for nothing.

I want Stepan, Kessel and Goligoski gone at all costs. I can’t stomach any of them still being on the roster next season. Goligoski should be easy to trade. I’m sure we could get a 2nd round pick tomorrow for him. Stepan and Kessel might take more time to be rid of. I’d be willing to take some lumps to get them the f*ck out.

That’s where my head would be on deadline-eve. I’m sure Chayka is just working the phones trying to add a better 3rd pair defender because he thinks we will make the playoffs and that Tocchet is great and OEL is great and that there’s no issue with Hall staying or Stepan or Goligoski or Kessel leading this team.

If that’s true, I’d fire Chayka also.

I keep OEL, and if all I'm getting is a 2nd for Gogo I keep him as well.

 

[Jakey53]

I think you're dreaming if you think OEL loses his C or gets traded. It's just not going to happen.

Better to hope that he's been playing injured, he's been battling the pressure of the first year of his huge extension, and that Housley has him all screwed up.

I agree, and try to find a partner that has more talent than Demers or Hammer

 

[_Del_]

Except his game cratered before Housley got here.

Something happened to him around the time when Doan left the team. Maybe it's because his mom died, I dunno. But ever since then he's been a shadow of his former self. It's sad.

I gave him a pass the year his mom died, but we're on three years of him just coasting. No more excuses.

 

[Heldig]

I think you're dreaming if you think OEL loses his C or gets traded. It's just not going to happen.

Better to hope that he's been playing injured, he's been battling the pressure of the first year of his huge extension, and that Housley has him all screwed up.

I don't know about that. OEL might want a change of scenery.

 

[Fuhrious]

Cap hit aside, I feel like RT does Stepan a disservice deploying him on PP1 and OT1 the way he does. The guy isn't equipped to contribute in those roles at this point in his career, he's basically a defense-first 3C. Putting him out there in those situations draws venom from fans when he invariably fails to contribute. I think if he were deployed more like a Super Richardson, he'd be rated much more highly by the average fan.

 

[Fuhrious]

 

[Heldig]

What teams could realistically take on OEl's contract AND need an expensive #3 LHD signed for several years?

Detroit could use him but would OEL go there?
Rangers? Skjej +?

 

[Jakey53]

Cap hit aside, I feel like RT does Stepan a disservice deploying him on PP1 and OT1 the way he does. The guy isn't equipped to contribute in those roles at this point in his career, he's basically a defense-first 3C. Putting him out there in those situations draws venom from fans when he invariably fails to contribute. I think if he were deployed more like a Super Richardson, he'd be rated much more highly by the average fan.

BINGO! But, we can find someone at a much lower cap hit and salary.

 

[rt]

What teams could realistically take on OEl's contract AND need an expensive #3 LHD signed for several years?
Detroit could use him but would OEL go there?
Rangers? Skjej +?

Someone with a similar problem child at center. Like Johansen or Trochek. Nashville has a bottom of the league GA and a top of the league GF. We are the inverse. They’ve got centers up the Wazoo. OEL for RyJo makes sense.