Official 2025 NHL DRAFT Thread

[FLYguy3911]

The whole point is that even guys who aren’t really asked to put up points in the NHL or at least the good ones are still pretty productive at the levels below the NHL.

Yeah it really is a bizarre concept people don’t understand. To put up points at any level you need some combo of puck skills, vision, feel for space, timing, consistency, etc. All of those things translate to playing in your own end.

Slavin is who people would consider the gold standard and he led his college team in scoring as a freshman.

Forsling was a big scorer for Sweden at the Junior level.

Ekholm put up big numbers in Sweden before coming over.

I don’t even know who people consider the defensive guys these days but McNabb gets brought up a lot. He had 100 total points his last year of Junior.

Lindell put up monster numbers in the Finnish Junior circuit.

Maybe you want to point out guys like Gavrikov and Siegenthaler but they were playing pro hockey at a young age so never really got to dominate the Junior level.

 

[FlyguyOX]

The whole point is that even guys who aren’t really asked to put up points in the NHL or at least the good ones are still pretty productive at the levels below the NHL.

I understand your point. But a Silayev type of guy? Points are never going to define him or his projectability.

 

[FlyguyOX]

Yeah it really is a bizarre concept people don’t understand. To put up points at any level you need some combo of puck skills, vision, feel for space, timing, consistency, etc. All of those things translate to playing in your own end.

Slavin is who people would consider the gold standard and he led his college team in scoring as a freshman.

Forsling was a big scorer for Sweden at the Junior level.

Ekholm put up big numbers in Sweden before coming over.

I don’t even know who people consider the defensive guys these days but McNabb gets brought up a lot. He had 100 total points his last year of Junior.

Lindell put up monster numbers in the Finnish Junior circuit.

Maybe you want to point out guys like Gavrikov and Siegenthaler but they were playing pro hockey at a young age so never really got to dominate the Junior level.

I did have Siegenthaler in mind. Gavrikov falls into that category. Justin Braun. Mikkola. I believe Kevin Bahl is finally beginning to realize his potential. Alex Vlasic is another young guy in the mold. I think Bischel will pan out bigtime.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Yeah it really is a bizarre concept people don’t understand. To put up points at any level you need some combo of puck skills, vision, feel for space, timing, consistency, etc. All of those things translate to playing in your own end.

Slavin is who people would consider the gold standard and he led his college team in scoring as a freshman.

Forsling was a big scorer for Sweden at the Junior level.

Ekholm put up big numbers in Sweden before coming over.

I don’t even know who people consider the defensive guys these days but McNabb gets brought up a lot. He had 100 total points his last year of Junior.

Lindell put up monster numbers in the Finnish Junior circuit.

Maybe you want to point out guys like Gavrikov and Siegenthaler but they were playing pro hockey at a young age so never really got to dominate the Junior level.

Spurgeon, Tanev, etc still have the rep.

Faber is the new one that people are going to point toward for not scoring pre-draft. That whole situation is a bit of a mess where the NHL underlyings aren't there. Yet? But the point will remain that it doesn't happen often, which will get turned into it can't happen and we'll still be having the same discussion in 10 years.

 

[Yukon Cornelius]

I'm sure this draft will be fantastic. Buckle up!

Damn it, the link is messed up! Ok...found one that works....

 

[renberg]

From a poster on another site regarding the NBA draft. Also applies right now to the NHL one:
"Everything is fake right now. GMs are paid to lie, agents are paid to lie, and within a couple weeks of the draft is the most intense lying environment."

 

[FLYguy3911]

I did have Siegenthaler in mind. Gavrikov falls into that category. Justin Braun. Mikkola. I believe Kevin Bahl is finally beginning to realize his potential. Alex Vlasic is another young guy in the mold. I think Bischel will pan out bigtime.

Braun put up more than respectable numbers in college and we know he had next to no puck skill so that says a bit about the rest of his tool box.

Mikkola was a late bloomer who was playing u18 Finnish hockey where pretty much no one gets drafted out of. Played u20 the next year and put up decent numbers then was playing pro.

Bahl wasn’t a PP guy in Junior. Put up OK numbers on strong teams. This feels like a generalization. I don’t think he’s actually an effective defensive player.

Vlasic is probably getting more PP time in the NHL than he did at the USNTDP and BU. Maybe combined.

Bischel had good numbers in Junior hockey and quickly got bumped up to the SHL. I only remember that because I thought his skills were pretty flat and had some interest in him because of his relative production.

Outside of Bischel, none of these guys were high picks. Even if we count these as low scoring success hits, these are 90+ percent outcomes. Look at how many guys didn’t pan out. That is why people point these things out. Most times you are lighting a pick on fire.

Spurgeon, Tanev, etc still have the rep.

Faber is the new one that people are going to point toward for not scoring pre-draft. That whole situation is a bit of a mess where the NHL underlyings aren't there. Yet? But the point will remain that it doesn't happen often, which will get turned into it can't happen and we'll still be having the same discussion in 10 years.

Tanev was on a crazy trajectory. Undrafted. D+1 in the OJHL. Good numbers. D+2 at a small college (RIT). Solid numbers. And then quickly in the NHL and put in the role he’s in now.

Faber was on that awful ‘02 US team. I hated watching them and probably would have been on Faber more if I could stomach watching them. He did have some fans. Jake Sanderson was the guy on that team and he didn’t even put up big numbers. I don’t even remember him playing on the PP at Minnesota. LaCombe got there a year before him and got that role. Faber took advantage of Minnesota not having a PP guy and ran with it. Kinda like Vlasic.

Faber was also really young for the class so that worked out in his favor in the end. I always forget LA traded him too. Wild outcome (no pun) that I don’t think anyone expected. Even his biggest fans.

 

[Magua]

The Flyers draft for need/fit which is obviously an issue. But another is they just overvalue what they have within their current organization.

I believe they haven’t traded an ELC player since Sbisa. Is that the furthest back in the league? No team breathes in its own farts like the Flyers.

 

[FLYguy3911]

I believe they haven’t traded an ELC player since Sbisa. Is that the furthest back in the league? No team breathes in its own farts like the Flyers.

That cannot be true.

 

[Magua]

That cannot be true.

I know, right? It’s possible I missed someone. But I looked it up after they traded Gauthier (not technically an ELC). Even JVR finished his ELC.

Wait, I actually think Maroon was on his last ELC year. But that one gets an asterisks.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

I know, right? It’s possible I missed someone. But I looked it up after they traded Gauthier (not technically an ELC). Even JVR finished his ELC.

Wait, I actually think Maroon was on his last ELC year. But that one gets an asterisks.

Well you found my limit. Even I'm not willing to dig to determine if Luke Pither burned a year of his ELC.

Signed 3/10 for 3 years
Traded 1/13
Did not play a Phantoms game in '09-10

Still a UDFA and completely irrelevant to meaningful discussion either way.

 

[Magua]

Still a UDFA and completely irrelevant to meaningful discussion either way.

Yeah I’m sure there’s one of those ECHL UDFA swaps if you dig back 10-15 years. I did limit my parameters within reason. They’re deathly allergic to trading any former draft pick worth even a farthing.

 

[BigToe]

 

[scumpup]

flyers all over it lmfao

 

[BiggE]

I’m resigned to O’Brien or Martin at 6OA, a future 4th line forward and 6/7 Dman with the later 2 firsts and 3 busts and a guy who gets traded and goes on to be a star somewhere else with the seconds.

 

[Magua]

I watched a game of his last week…..and I wasn’t blown away. He’s got decent hands for his size, decent passing. But he didn’t look that high reward. He’s fine, but 6’6 makes the boys go wild.

 

[BigToe]

I watched a game of his last week…..and I wasn’t blown away. He’s got decent hands for his size, decent passing. But he didn’t look that high reward. He’s fine, but 6’6 makes the boys go wild.

That’s one game more than I’ve seen

 

[Adam Warlock]

People have got to stop thinking this. The brain trust is all in this together and Briere is just as disillusioned as the rest of them. If he wasn't, they wouldn't be there. They all believe this shit. Also:

“But like I said, when you’re not spending $12 million on a player, or even two like Edmonton does… Colorado has three or four high-end guys. We’re not going to be built that way. So depth will be important to us.” ~Briere

Briere is on thin ice for me but he has made moves that obviously went against the traditional Flyers ways. Theres no way the brain trust was onboard with the Michkov pick or trading Laughton...so I have to believe Briere has some brains. That said, he clearly still falls into the group think or feels he has to make their moves...either way the result is the same.

His quote the other day about not really worrying about size is why i said he may like Hagens...but we know Flaher greatly values size.

 

[FLYguy3911]

What's his 40?

 

[Magua]

That’s one game more than I’ve seen

 

[Larry44]

I’m resigned to O’Brien or Martin at 6OA, a future 4th line forward and 6/7 Dman with the later 2 firsts and 3 busts and a guy who gets traded and goes on to be a star somewhere else with the seconds.

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Pfft. Bloody optimists!

 

[Nabrules]

I can live with Martin, at least will get some entertainment from the physical game.

JOB sounds like another Mr Vanilla. f*** that guy

Watch some of his highlights videos on YouTube - fair to say you don't want him at 6 but he is not vanilla, elite level passer with really good hands

 

[FlyerNutter]

Caught about 30 min of STG. Ant is pretty damn confident in the statements he's making. Holy shit.

1. Fixated on wanting a centreman, wings much easier to find in FA/trade
2. Top two choices are Desnoyers, or JOB - in that order.
3. Would choose both over Hagens.
4. Martone ranked below because he is a winger. Would rather have a 1st or 2nd line centerman, bc of the position.
5. Jackson Smith someone they would like to trade up for.

The names are what they are, but the process is horrific.

WORST DRAFTING DEPARTMENT IN THE NHL

 

[Gregor Samsa]

I’d rather Desnoyers or Hagens over O’Brien but JOB is “acceptable” IMO though very meh at the moment. Let us not forget that these kids are 18 and unfinished projects. He could very well improve his EV play and work on his skating. If his powerplay prowess translates to the NHL, he and O’Brien could be a lethal 1-2 punch on the PP

 

[SolidSnakeUS]

Caught about 30 min of STG. Ant is pretty damn confident in the statements he's making. Holy shit.

1. Fixated on wanting a centreman, wings much easier to find in FA/trade
2. Top two choices are Desnoyers, or JOB - in that order.
3. Would choose both over Hagens.
4. Martone ranked below because he is a winger. Would rather have a 1st or 2nd line centerman, bc of the position.
5. Jackson Smith someone they would like to trade up for.

The names are what they are, but the process is horrific.

WORST DRAFTING DEPARTMENT IN THE NHL

Drafting for need instead of BPA at 6th overall is sheer f***ing insanity. f*** this management.