Official 2025 NHL DRAFT Thread

The more I watch JOB, the more I like what I see. He has underrated compete level, he will go to the dirty areas, not overly successful because he is still weak right now. But his hands....wow. Soft, very soft and very quick. This will translate to the NHL.

The skating mechanics are not there yet, but you can see noticeable improvement from his rookie year and even from earlier in his 2nd year.

Also he is young for this class so should have more development compared to his peers. If the flyers don't pick him, there is a good possibility of coulda woulda shoulda regrets down the line. If he can just become a slightly above average skater ( big question mark), he can realistically become a 1c in the future. If not, he will become poor man Strome, which is a big disappointment.
 
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Now that we are in the 6th spot, I've reviewed highlights of Desnoyers, Hagens, Frondell, and O'Brien. I have not looked at any scouting videos. As I'm watching clips, I'm writing notes simultaneously.

Caleb Desnoyers:
  • Will go to dirty areas; numerous goals are scored in those areas.
  • I'm not seeing an issue with the skating; he seems to have all the burst he needs when he needs it. Numerous times, he goes from his edges to explosion with the puck and creates a ton of space and time—and when he wants to get away, he does.
  • Really good passer. Head up; will change angles; consistently finds guys in good space and sets up the passing angle well ahead of time.
  • His shot seems to be average, but with decent accuracy.
  • Hands are better than I thought based on posts and limited live viewing (all at the tournaments).
  • Will push the puck. Pace is not an issue with his game.
  • Might be slightly perimeter-oriented with the puck, but goes to greasy areas without it consistently.
  • Head is always up when he has the puck.
Overall: Great passer, especially cross-ice and into danger areas. Has a feel for that part of the game. Skating overall seems decent—maybe not a burner, but certainly fast enough, and his edges seem good. Good hands in close. I'm really not seeing the narrative that he's this "safer" pick with a limited ceiling. I see a very good complement to Michkov as well—he’ll tee him up for tons of goals. I would not be upset with this pick.

James Hagens:
  • Another player with a great feel for passing and setting up teammates.
  • High IQ.
  • Seemed to take a back seat this year and really didn’t look for his shot—passed it up too many times, in my opinion. A bit of a red flag. He’s going to need to want to get his a bit more at the next level.
  • He’s very calm with the puck; will change directions and hold onto it. Didn’t have the puck on his stick enough at BC (was that on him, his linemates, or a bit of both?).
  • Definitely a 2-on-1 merchant—maybe a third of his college points came from those.
  • Good in tight spaces.
  • Not seeing much grit in his game in any zone.
  • Decent shot; not great.
  • More perimeter-oriented.
  • Doesn’t seem to have a strong stick—he has great hands, but too often had poor puck control when accepting passes or trying to get his shot off. He’s too good for that to happen.
Overall: Not as impressive as I originally thought, though I do think a lot of his issues were linemate-driven. Still, there are certainly some question marks. Very perimeter-oriented. Not really taking guys on one-on-one. Most of his points came off 2-on-1 situations. My memory of the previous year was different than the player I saw this year, and I'm not sure how to reconcile the two.

Anton Frondell
  • It’s always interesting to see video from the bigger ice surface—it certainly affects how I see players, both good and bad.
  • I’m not in love with the skating, but it’s not bad. I haven’t seen enough video to make a full determination. In a couple of clips, his stride looks choppy; in others, it looks better.
  • He can score goals—in a bunch of different ways (wrist shots, slap shots, one-timers, breakaways); in close, from outside the circle—and he does not panic when trying to get off his shot. There’s a nice, easy fluidity to his release, and he generates a ton of power.
  • He also has no problem going to greasy areas to score and shows zero hesitation.
  • I see the center/winger debate and have no answer, but he plays on the wing and looks like one.
  • If you draft him, I’m not sure it’s to play with Michkov.
  • Good pace; very north-south type player.
  • Couldn't really get a feel for IQ. Would need to watch full games and not just highlights.
Overall: He’s a shoot-first player. I think he ends up a winger, though I’m sure any team that drafts him top 8 will try him at center first. Bottom line: his shot is his calling card—it could be elite. I’m not seeing anything else that pops as more than average to above average. I’m very confused about what his upside is after watching.

Jake O'Brien.
  • Sweet mitts. His hands pop—he just seems to have quick hands and a very good handle.
  • Not sure how good the shot is, but his release seems to be quick enough.
  • He glides a lot with the puck. Doesn’t keep his feet moving—especially under pressure. It doesn’t seem to hurt him against this level of competition, but it’s definitely something to be concerned about.
  • Great vision, especially on the power play. Finds seams consistently.
  • Don’t love the skating; don’t hate it. Nothing pops, though—is that because half the time his feet aren’t moving?
  • A lot of his points are on the PP. Would love to see him live to get a feel for chance creation at even strength.
Overall: His calling card seems to be his passing and his hands. He’s a very talented player. Skating and shot seem average—he’s definitely not going to skate by most NHL players. Needs to work on his explosion. He was not as perimeter-oriented as I thought (power play work on the wall notwithstanding).

This post is as much for me—to see in a few years how close to right (or wrong) I am—as anything else. Though I’m no scout and only pretend to be one on this board, I do think I know the game a bit. That said, so much of evaluating a player comes from watching game after game after game. That’s when you get a better feel for compete, defensive awareness, and IQ. I just don’t have the time to dig in that deep.

With that said, the player that surprised me the most in a good way was Desnoyers; in a bad way, Hagens. O’Brien is who I thought he was, based on reading this board and others. Frondell is an enigma—I’m not sure what I think about him.

It was a fun exercise, let's hope the Flyers pick the right guy (even if not one of these).
Nice write up . You and I are seeing this the same way. After Misa and Schaefer, I think Desnoyers is the best choice. I like Martone but am not convinced he is better than Desnoyers and he is a RW. I think of the centers you mentioned, I rank them in this order, Desnoyers, Hagens, Frondell. O’Brien. I like Desnoyers and Hagens a lot more than the other two.
 
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The more I watch JOB, the more I like what I see. He has underrated compete level, he will go to the dirty areas, not overly successful because he is still weak right now. But his hands....wow. Soft, very soft and very quick. This will translate to the NHL.

The skating mechanics are not there yet, but you can see noticeable improvement from his rookie year and even from earlier in his 2nd year.

Also he is young for this class so should have more development compared to his peers. If the flyers don't pick him, there is a good possibility of coulda woulda shoulda regrets down the line. If he can just become a slightly above average skater ( big question mark), he can realistically become a 1c in the future. If not, he will become poor man Strome, which is a big disappointment.
He just doesn’t move his feet. That is more innate than just having bad form or needing added strength. It’s gonna be an issue and my huge concern with him in addition to his lack of 5v5 scoring compared to the PP. Hands are silk though. They are ridiculous.

Still, I’d rather Desnoyers. Plays with much more pace. Better skater. Seems more engaged; but might be because of the stylistic differences. Desnoyers is only two months older. So similar type upside remains.
 
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He just doesn’t move his feet. That is more innate than just having bad form or needing added strength. It’s gonna be an issue and my huge concern with him in addition to his lack of 5v5 scoring compared to the PP. Hands are silk though. They are ridiculous.

Still, I’d rather Desnoyers. Plays with much more pace. Better skater. Seems more engaged; but might be because of the stylistic differences. Desnoyers is only two months older. So similar type upside remains.
Yes that is an issue along with his short choppy strides. From watching JOB skating and strength (should come) are the only things that can prevent him to reach a high ceiling. When I watch Desnoyers, I don't see top level puck skill, good space manipulation nor high level creativity. Those 3 traits jump out of the screen when you watch JOB.

Desnoyers seems like a jack of all trades player who does everything well with passing his best trait. Quite sure that Desnoyers can be a good two way 2C. But frankly, flyers need to shoot for the galaxy and if they crash and burn so be it. Good 2Cs can be acquired thru different channels. Getting a true offensive gamechanging 1C seems impossible for this team. Last one was giroux....nearly 20 yrs. But even he had his playoff shortcomings due to size and speed.

Flyers need their Steve Yzerman....
 
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What a year to have the most picks ever in the top 64. Surely the Flyers will find them.

All you can do is laugh how deep they were lauding this draft only for everyone else in the public sphere to say "Nah".

Wasn't just the organization but A lot of people on here were going on and on about the 25 draft class..lots of selective memory happening now. This is why someone needs to start a thread where the work from home GMs we have in here post who the coach should be, who they should draft who they should trade for or offer sheet. Won't that be a good time :thumbu:
 
Yes that is an issue along with his short choppy strides. From watching JOB skating and strength (should come) are the only things that can prevent him to reach a high ceiling. When I watch Desnoyers, I don't see top level puck skill, good space manipulation nor high level creativity. Those 3 traits jump out of the screen when you watch JOB.

Desnoyers seems like a jack of all trades player who does everything well with passing his best trait. Quite sure that Desnoyers can be a good two way 2C. But frankly, flyers need to shoot for the galaxy and if they crash and burn so be it. Good 2Cs can be acquired thru different channels. Getting a true offensive gamechanging 1C seems impossible for this team. Last one was giroux....nearly 20 yrs. But even he had his playoff shortcomings due to size and speed.

Flyers need their Steve Yzerman....
And I think that’s really where the difference in opinion on Desnoyers comes from—some see the skills, others don’t. Personally, I do see the space manipulation, particularly through his skating. In the offensive zone, he consistently creates room using tight edgework and quick bursts of acceleration that generate real separation. I don’t see any of that in O’Brien’s game.

From a skating standpoint, I already view Desnoyers as above average, and I think he has the strength and developmental trajectory to become a plus skater. O’Brien, on the other hand, might reach average, but even then, I’m not sure it resolves the pace concerns.

So for me, I’ll take the guy who has a path to becoming a strong skater, with above-average tools across the board, high compete, and good hockey IQ—versus the guy who has an elite skill but may never get the chance to fully leverage it if he can’t consistently stay involved in the play.

That said, while my opinion is informed, it’s probably not as deep as yours. I’d need to dig in further. Either way, whoever the Flyers draft, I’ll be rooting for—and I can see the argument for both players.

P.S. I also think Desnoyers fits better with MM, whereas O’Brien might be a stronger match for Tippett or TK.
 
And I think that’s really where the difference in opinion on Desnoyers comes from—some see the skills, others don’t. Personally, I do see the space manipulation, particularly through his skating. In the offensive zone, he consistently creates room using tight edgework and quick bursts of acceleration that generate real separation. I don’t see any of that in O’Brien’s game.

From a skating standpoint, I already view Desnoyers as above average, and I think he has the strength and developmental trajectory to become a plus skater. O’Brien, on the other hand, might reach average, but even then, I’m not sure it resolves the pace concerns.

So for me, I’ll take the guy who has a path to becoming a strong skater, with above-average tools across the board, high compete, and good hockey IQ—versus the guy who has an elite skill but may never get the chance to fully leverage it if he can’t consistently stay involved in the play.

That said, while my opinion is informed, it’s probably not as deep as yours. I’d need to dig in further. Either way, whoever the Flyers draft, I’ll be rooting for—and I can see the argument for both players.

P.S. I also think Desnoyers fits better with MM, whereas O’Brien might be a stronger match for Tippett or TK.
I'll watch Desnoyers shift by shift clips again and try to see your notes. He has plenty of skill for sure, he will be a top 10 pick after all, but it just doesn't pop like JOB. But again, Couturier has no skills that Pop, and I'd love to draft another 18 yr old couts for sure for the 1c spot.

For me it comes down to this, flyers need 1st line centers.

In order for Desnoyers to reach 1c, he has more than one issue to fix (skating explosiveness, shot, creativity)

JOB needs to fix his 1 major flaw (skating/movement), which I do agree with you is bigger than any one flaw that Desnoyers has.

But other than that, he has traits that frankly you can't train for. Either you got it or you don't. He's most definitely riskier than Desnoyers, but who cares about risk at this point. 50 years since the last cup. What's another 2 year setback??

P.s ANY player would fit better with Michkov than with Tippett 😂😂😂.
 
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I'll watch Desnoyers shift by shift clips again and try to see your notes. He has plenty of skill for sure, he will be a top 10 pick after all, but it just doesn't pop like JOB. But again, Couturier has no skills that Pop, and I'd love to draft another 18 yr old couts for sure for the 1c spot.

For me it comes down to this, flyers need 1st line centers.

In order for Desnoyers to reach 1c, he has more than one issue to fix (skating explosiveness, shot, creativity)

JOB needs to fix his 1 major flaw (skating/movement), which I do agree with you is bigger than any one flaw that Desnoyers has.

But other than that, he has traits that frankly you can't train for. Either you got it or you don't. He's most definitely riskier than Desnoyers, but who cares about risk at this point. 50 years since the last cup. What's another 2 year setback??

P.s ANY player would fit better with Michkov than with Tippett 😂😂😂.
Ain’t that the truth. Tippett is a black hole for pucks. The second he gets the puck, it might as well be a 1 v 5 drill. He neutered MM more than anything else during the past year.
 
To me, among the biggest risks for this franchise is that, after having fallen down the stairs to a top 5 pick -- and then getting blindsided by the demons of misfortune -- they have the opportunity to draft a centre with the 6th overall pick from an overall disappointing draft class, check off Find 1C from their to-do list, and hang the "We got him!" banner in their faux rebuild. The remaining picks will be allotted to each scout's personal fave and fit fetish.

The (non)sense of believing they have turned the corner, likely fueled by the fun but misleading success of the Phantoms, will in all probability begin thoughts of how to build the lineup for a run at the playoffs.

Thank you for listening to my Eeyore Talk.
 
Question about our later first round picks. Is Zonnon worth the risk if available? Has anybody any info on him.
I know he is a wing but he wouldn't be NHL ready for 2-3 years anyways.
 
Wasn't just the organization but A lot of people on here were going on and on about the 25 draft class..lots of selective memory happening now. This is why someone needs to start a thread where the work from home GMs we have in here post who the coach should be, who they should draft who they should trade for or offer sheet. Won't that be a good time :thumbu:
It's pretty much in every yearly draft thread and every thread when a GM or coach is fired who people want. It might take a little research:D
 
Wasn't just the organization but A lot of people on here were going on and on about the 25 draft class..lots of selective memory happening now. This is why someone needs to start a thread where the work from home GMs we have in here post who the coach should be, who they should draft who they should trade for or offer sheet. Won't that be a good time :thumbu:
No one's been going on and on about the 25 draft. Everyone has been bemoaning the fact that the org chose to load up on a weak draft, a popular consensus thought.

Now the draft could turn out to be great, or even just great for the Flyers. Don't lie about what people have been talking about.

Also I'd take the opinion of some who post here over everyone who currently works for the Flyers.
 
Wasn't just the organization but A lot of people on here were going on and on about the 25 draft class..lots of selective memory happening now. This is why someone needs to start a thread where the work from home GMs we have in here post who the coach should be, who they should draft who they should trade for or offer sheet. Won't that be a good time :thumbu:
I can promise you people on here have been telling anyone who would listen, how laughable it was that the team thought they could accurately project the strength of the non-lottery for a draft more than 12 months in advance. And it had nothing to do with people having an advanced knowledge of the ‘25 draft class. It had everything to do with how history told us it would play out.

And if you are looking for opinions you don’t have to look very hard. People make their opinions pretty well known. They even post lists sometimes!
 

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