Have him 3rd!Both of those guys were roughly 1 PPG during their scoring peaks in that lower era.
If you really believe all of that, you should have him 1OA and it shouldn’t be close. Bedard, Michkov, Celebrini, etc are less than 50/50 to have Kopitar’s regular season career.
Schafer misa Hagens martone frondell for me loving the idea of moving up to get another pick in the top twenty though with 6 additional picks in the top 50 I think it's kinda top heavy draft. Atcheson McQueen O'Brien there's a lot to like after the top 5 but I don't know it runs deep enough the second round is more than averageI'd go Misa, Schaefer, then unsure among Hagens/Martone/Frondell.
Have him 3rd!
Think Schaefer has Star 1D potential and Misa a multiple time 40 goal scoring centre.
Again, the whole point of this conversation being, alot people view Desnoyers as a future selke level centre. Him going top 5 isn't unreasonable at all.
It's not like taking him over Hagens is like taking Luchanko over Buium lol
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Misa is not a lock to be a center, or at least a 1C. I would take Shaefer if picking 1OA based on what I’ve read.IF Schaefer is the best defensive prospect since Makar, then he's the guy to take at one. The Flyers have never drafted a true number one defenseman in the history of the organization. It would also ease the pain of having passed over Makar for Patrick. However a blue line stud is a rare player.
Are there any projections indicating that Misa is a lock as a center? Not putting down Misa, but he might best be a wing going forward rather than a center. Unless you have a Cellebrini or Bedard in the draft, Schaefer is the guy to take.
The dude is a hack. Lost his job very quickly too as an actual scout in the NHL.I think McCagg's Michkov analysis is all his analysis of anyone I need in this lifetime, thanks
Toews and Kopitar during their best years were 70 point centres who were yearly contenders for the selke because they of how complete their games were.
I factor in here that they were getting 70ish points during a lower scoring time period league wide but translating that to todays NHL, I think Desnoyers has the potential to be a 80 point guy who is a yearly contender for the Selke and one of the leagues best all around forwards, much like Toews and Kopitar were during their era.
Now does that translate to him winning multiple championships like those guys, which propelled them to being viewed as top 150 players all time, idk. All I know is from my perspective he can this decades next great two way Cs.
I think his point is that the rankings could be wrong, like they are every year. Kopitar went 11, turns out he should have gone 2. Of course, once you go that route then everything goes out the window
Choosing Wang as one of the first guys to watch is bananas, Joseph.This is the first day I have looked into this draft with even an inch of depth.
There’s a Defenseman with TWO Points in 32 OHL Games in McKenzie’s Top 32?! I have got to see what this is about because it can’t possibly be reasonable.
I think it’s hard to compare and project prospects to veteran NHL’ers as hockey is a team sport and highly dependent on who you play with. Talented players will elevate other talented players and make them exponentially better. It’s not a completely ridiculous argument to say that guys like Kopitar and Toews were the 3rd most important players on their team in their prime. I’m not sure if Kopitar and Toews have the reputation they do if they didn’t play with other guys like Dougherty, Quick, Kane, Keith and other talented players. A type of synergy takes effect. If a team is able to get a few high end players other players will benefit and a 60-70 point player can easily become a 80+ point player.
Choosing Wang as one of the first guys to watch is bananas, Joseph.
The thing is he was underdrafted at the time because teams underestimated how good the J20 was, especially then.
20 years later and Kopitar still has the all-time P/GP record for an u-18 in draft year as a C... and he was 6'4 with fantastic D.
He should have gone a lot higher. NHL teams were just far worse at drafting then than they even are now.
The 2005 draft was pretty poor tbh even without hindsight, just based off what guys were doing vs peers...
Setoguchi did not even get P/GP in CHL and went ahead.
Pouliot was under P/GP and went 4th.
Bourdon went top 10 because he had almost 120 PIMs and could skate at 6'3.
If teams were smarter he would have gone top 5 without hindsight.
Crosby, Ryan, Johnson... were probably the only 3 skaters with better profiles at the time. And Crosby the only one with a "clearly" better profile. Those 3, Price and Kopitar should have been the top 5...
You're right, I shouldn't have used Toews or Kopitar as the comps but my point still stands where i believe he can be this decades premiere two-way C.Such different scoring eras... and even still 70 points is underselling both. Best 7 seasons P/82:
Kopitar: 92, 81, 80, 77, 76, 75, 74
Toews: 84, 81, 79, 78, 73, 73, 70
So over their primes? Both were pretty much ~75 point guys.
When you look at their best 7 P/GP finishes?
Kopitar: 9, 10, 15, 18, 22, 24, 28
Toews: 13, 17, 17, 23, 28, 32, 33
Over their best ~7 years they were, on average, the 18th best and 23rd best scorer in the league.
In todays NHL that is the equivalent, roughly of ~90 and ~88 points per season.
When look at the last 5 seasons and which NHL forwards have scored at that pace on average in the increased scoring environment?
Sidney Crosby, J.T. Miller, Jack Hughes, Braydon Point and Jack Eichel are the 5 most similar Cs scoring wise to Kopitar and Toews in their prime...
expecting Desnoyers to be that is, well, unrealistic. And I like him.
Now, maybe he can be Roope Hintz or Nico Hischier if things go perfectly. That is still a low end 1C in theory. Both have been ~80 point guys in this era!
BUT the 2007-2014 equivalent of Hintz or Hischier is not Kopitar or Toews...
it is Mikko Koivu or Paul Stastny...
Kopitar was a close to P/GP 1C (top ~25 C in the NHL that year) as a teenager before Doughty and Quick played a game in the NHL... and the most talented players he had to work with was Alex Frolov and the corpse of Rob Blake...
He is LA's best player now... at 37 years old... on a perennial 100 point team.
They might not have the same reputation in the general public if they were not on great teams. But they would both still be considered top 200 players all time. Heck, Kopitar especially probably had average talent around him offensively over career and might have scored more with more talented linemates and a less defensive team philosophy.