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Sombastate said:
I agree you always have to take BPA. However, in a draft like this where there are potentially 4 top line centers, you kind of have to, considering our position. Now if it goes down to O'Brien, Mrtka or Martone, because the draft crumbles a weird way, i'm all for taking Martone or Mrtka way above O'brien
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Honest question - how does one determine BPA? Isn't it going to vary quite a bit across teams?

It varies a lot across scouts, and ranking lists, so I imagine it does across teams. And not only does the order change, the degree of separation between given prospects or given tiers of prospects.

Obviously, there are some slam dunk BPA, but I would guess those are the exception, and not the norm.
 
flyersnorth said:
Honest question - how does one determine BPA? Isn't it going to vary quite a bit across teams?

It varies a lot across scouts, and ranking lists, so I imagine it does across teams. And not only does the order change, the degree of separation between given prospects or given tiers of prospects.

Obviously, there are some slam dunk BPA, but I would guess those are the exception, and not the norm.
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I think we're talking more like Buium was CLEARLY the best BPA. And not only did we not go BPA, we decided to draft someone who was in the mid 20s by most accounts.

I agree that it varies by organization. For example, the Flyers value grip strength because it goes a long way for the circle jerks
 
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flyersnorth said:
Honest question - how does one determine BPA? Isn't it going to vary quite a bit across teams?

It varies a lot across scouts, and ranking lists, so I imagine it does across teams. And not only does the order change, the degree of separation between given prospects or given tiers of prospects.

Obviously, there are some slam dunk BPA, but I would guess those are the exception, and not the norm.
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Short answer is Yes.
Longer answer is for the most part, outside of the Flyers it seems, in the top part of the draft there are small swings in preference and opinion. The further you get out the wilder the swings and deeper the opinion. I know football a lot better with how boards are created and weighted but drafting football and hockey is a lot different. Football the type of player you are at a position can affect your ranking on the board as much as your measurables, one player who is fringe 1st/2nd round player on one board is a 5th/6th round player on another team.
 
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iceman42 said:
Short answer is Yes.
Longer answer is for the most part, outside of the Flyers it seems, in the top part of the draft there are small swings in preference and opinion. The further you get out the wilder the swings and deeper the opinion. I know football a lot better with how boards are created and weighted but drafting football and hockey is a lot different. Football the type of player you are at a position can affect your ranking on the board as much as your measurables, one player who is fringe 1st/2nd round player on one board is a 5th/6th round player on another team.
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And we just hope that the Flyers list is good and they draft BPA, regardless of position.
 
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BiggE said:
200 ft players and grit are fine in your bottom six and 5/6 D but, skill, speed and smarts are how you win
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Tampa Bay Lightning 2021:
Palat (200ft game, skills & grit) - Point (200ft game, skills & grit) - Kucherov
Stamkos - Cirelli (200ft game, skills & grit) - Colton (200ft game, grit)

Colorado Avalanche 2022:
Landeskog (200ft game, skills & grit) - MacKinnon - Nichushkin (200ft game, skills & grit)
Lehkonen (200ft game, skills & grit) - Kadri (200ft game, skills & grit) - Rantanen

And this about teams which described as a “most typical modern hockey champions”

Is it worth saying about Knights and Panthers who crushed all living things?
 
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ValeriKamensky said:
Tampa Bay Lightning 2021:
Palat (200ft game, skills & grit) - Point (200ft game, skills & grit) - Kucherov
Stamkos - Cirelli (200ft game, skills & grit) - Colton (200ft game, grit)

Colorado Avalanche 2022:
Landeskog (200ft game, skills & grit) - MacKinnon - Nichushkin (200ft game, skills & grit)
Lehkonen (200ft game, skills & grit) - Kadri (200ft game, skills & grit) - Rantanen

And this about teams which described as a “most typical modern hockey champions”

Is it worth saying about Knights and Panthers who crushed all living things?
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Grit is great, if you also have skill and smarts. You forgot to mention how players like Kucherov, Point, Stamkos, MacKinnon, Rantanen, Barkov et al ooze hockey sense.

Who on the Flyers, other than Michkov, combine world class skill, hockey sense and grit? Answer: no one

They’ve been a poorly run franchise for 20 years whether you want to admit it or not. I have yet to be shown anything by the current management group that inspires any confidence.
 
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BiggE said:
Grit is great, if you also have skill and smarts. You forgot to mention how players like Kucherov, Point, Stamkos, MacKinnon, Rantanen, Barkov et al ooze hockey sense.

Who on the Flyers, other than Michkov, combine world class skill, hockey sense and grit? Answer: no one

They’ve been a poorly run franchise for 20 years whether you want to admit it or not. I have yet to be shown anything by the current management group that inspires any confidence.
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Briere has said already they arent looking to build a team of elite hockey skills... they believed it then and they still believe it now. that tryhard plugs and grinders can win it all..

the best part is their shining star example mr Scotty hotrod, has been an absolute faceflop for TML...yet thats whos the Flyers thinks is a foundational pillar
 
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Sombastate said:
He's my number 4, and i get grief for it. High motor, high IQ, decent skill, good 2way game and brings physicality. I'd be over the moon with Desnoyers, or Frondell, and almost as excited with Hagens, but i think the Flyers pass on Hagens.

If they passed on Buium because of his size, i imagine that's an issue with Hagens, too
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I’m with you on this. I love Desnoyers game.
 
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TheKingPin said:
Um they literally just drafted their secondary. Easily their biggest need from the year before.
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It can overlap? The point is the Eagles NAILED those DB picks. Nailed. The stuff of dreams with BPA and fit overlapping.

The Flyers biggest need is center. If they draft a center they view as BPA, and draft a future star, wonderful. But they actually draft for perceived fit (it’s own joke) and get little return. That’s the nightmare scenario, and we see it just about every year. The Flyers, since Flahr, draft like the Jets with QBs. Weirdly their holes never get filled.
 
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TheKingPin said:
Um they literally just drafted their secondary. Easily their biggest need from the year before.
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Their top needs were EDGE and Corner. Didn't take an EDGE until late on Day 2.

Do you think they went into that draft saying we have to have a Cornerback in Round 1? Or did they have their ducks in a row going into the draft so they could take their best player at a position they value? They had Rodgers and Ringo ready to go if they didn't get an outside Corner. Always prepped. It's meticulous.

They have players they like. That is how they operate. What they do tend to do with positions is not spend super early picks on LBs or Safeties, but that's a positional and contract value thing rather than a need-based strategy. I also don’t know that they would spend a 1 on a TE. Those are all processes of elimination
 
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Magua said:
It can overlap? The point is the Eagles NAILED those DB picks. Nailed. The stuff of dreams with BPA and fit overlapping.

The Flyers biggest need is center. If they draft a center they view as BPA, and draft a future star, wonderful. But they actually draft for perceived fit (it’s own joke) and get little return. That’s the nightmare scenario. The Flyers draft like the Jets with QBs. Weirdly their holes never get filled.
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Point being in football you can draft for need and you should. You see your D line getting old so you draft that, the secondary last year, QB, WR etc. Similar situation where they crushed that too. But tell me they didn’t need exactly what they got last year.

Hockey I would 100% draft BPA the first round at the very least. I’m a little optimistic since they drafted Michkov, Cutter and apparently wanted Demidov. So they were going all in at wing while already being pretty strong there. We will see what Danny does this draft.
 
JojoTheWhale said:
Their top needs were EDGE and Corner. Didn't take an EDGE until late on Day 2.

Do you think they went into that draft saying we have to have a Cornerback in Round 1? Or did they have their ducks in a row going into the draft so they could take their best player at a position they value? They had Rodgers and Ringo ready to go if they didn't get an outside Corner. Always prepped. It's meticulous.

They have players they like. That is how they operate. What they do tend to do with positions is not spend super early picks on LBs or Safeties, but that's a positional and contract value thing rather than a need-based strategy. I also don’t know that they would spend a 1 on a TE. Those are all processes of elimination
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Yea not saying they reach but of course they draft for need.

I think they went in the draft wanting a cornerback and got their guy.
 
TheKingPin said:
Yea not saying they reach but of course they draft for need.

I think they went in the draft wanting a cornerback and got their guy.
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The team that famously drafted Jalen Hurts in Round 2 while having an established starter on a huge contract drafts for need? The Landon Dickerson pick was need? They had to have a DT and just so happened to take Jalen Carter? Boss.

TheKingPin said:
Point being in football you can draft for need and you should. You see your D line getting old so you draft that, the secondary last year, QB, WR etc. Similar situation where they crushed that too. But tell me they didn’t need exactly what they got last year.
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You could not possibly be more wrong.

The whole thing with the draft is that the smart teams don’t have spots they have to fill. They may have spots where they would love to have a guy, but if Howie Roseman had Johnny Newton as his top ranked player at 22, Quinyon Mitchell is in Arizona or something right now.

Howie tells you this openly.

www.nbcsports.com

Howie Roseman: Eagles filled needs in free agency so we can draft for talent, not need

Eagles General Manager Howie Roseman views free agency as the time to address team needs, and the draft as the time to add the most talented players regardless of whether they play a position of need.
www.nbcsports.com www.nbcsports.com
 
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JojoTheWhale said:
The team that famously drafted Jalen Hurts in Round 2 while having an established starter on a huge contract drafts for need? The Landon Dickerson pick was need? They had to have a DT and just so happened to take Jalen Carter? Boss.



You could not possibly be more wrong.

The whole thing with the draft is that the smart teams don’t have spots they have to fill. They may have spots where they would love to have a guy, but if Howie Roseman had Johnny Newton as his top ranked player at 22, Quinyon Mitchell is in Arizona or something right now.
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Well yes if you’re a good team you have less must haves. Depends on what you think the needs are at times. Wentz was traded right after hurts was drafted right?
 
BiggE said:
Grit is great, if you also have skill and smarts. You forgot to mention how players like Kucherov, Point, Stamkos, MacKinnon, Rantanen, Barkov et al ooze hockey sense.

Who on the Flyers, other than Michkov, combine world class skill, hockey sense and grit? Answer: no one

They’ve been a poorly run franchise for 20 years whether you want to admit it or not. I have yet to be shown anything by the current management group that inspires any confidence.
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Not just grit, you need some size and more speed to go with skill and smarts. A balanced lineup. Michkov is excellent, but TK is too. Couts is also still a good player. To compete by 2027-30, the Flyers need a whole bunch of players.
 
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“What we try to do to the best of our abilities is go into the draft trying to fill as many needs as we possibly can through free agency, so we can be open to the best players in the draft,” Roseman said.

I couldn’t find the quote but I swear he also has a quote recently along the lines of “show me a draft that a team fills all of their needs and I’ll show you a bad draft”.
 
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The timelines on football and hockey are drastically different too. Immediate impact (or within a year) versus 2-5 years in other leagues. Hockey has fewer positions too. In the end, drafting for fit is a boondoggle in every sport. Rarely works, no matter the round. Usually take worse players and then wonder why you have junk. But you do get some immediate satisfaction pretending you’re filling holes.

FLYguy3911 said:
@BigToe punching air right now.
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I am getting excited to start watching soon to tell him why he’s wrong about some guys. It’s the only reason I watch at this point.
 
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