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Official 2024-25 Utah HC Season Discussion.

Freakshow said:
No he's not. Where do you come up with this nonsense? Give some examples where GM's rebuilt a team in three or four years if you think five years is more than a traditional timeline. I'll wait. Because there isn't one. He needs to start having some progress, which is already happening, next season. This is a big off-season for the UHC.

Rebuilds aren't a linear timeline, there's so much involved, strength of draft and luck being the obvious two. Armstrong was hired in September of 2020, that winter they decided to tear it down and rebuild starting from the 2021 draft, so he's only three and a half years into a rebuild. The 2025 draft will be his fourth.

Look at the Chicago Blackhawks, it took them six drafts to assemble what is considered a modern day dynasty before they had the right players to win a Cup. Starting with Duncan Keith in 2002 and finishing with Patrick Kane in 2007.
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Do you think this Roster is closer to those Blackhawks teams or the Sabres? I sure don't see the Blackhawks in this roster. That's the point of the 5 year rebuild question? How about the Leafs,Rangers, abd possibly the Candiens turning it around faster. To name a few
 
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cobra427 said:
Nonsense: 4 to 4.5 years is the average life of an NLH GM, coaches its 2 years. 85 points in year 5 gets you fired anywhere else. You do realize the Blackhawks went through 4 GMs from 2002-2009 before they won a cup. The GM and coach that starts a rebuild might not be the right guy to finish it.
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Post of the year!!! Hands out a Taco Time coupon
 
cobra427 said:
Nonsense: 4 to 4.5 years is the average life of an NLH GM, coaches its 2 years. 85 points in year 5 gets you fired anywhere else. You do realize the Blackhawks went through 4 GMs from 2002-2009 before they won a cup. The GM and coach that starts a rebuild might not be the right guy to finish it.
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But we're not talking about the average life of a GM, we're talking about a rebuilding GM, a rebuilding GM is different than a GM who has an agenda to win now, they're apples and oranges. My point of contention with your statement "BA is getting more time then any NHL GM historically speaking to build a team" is incorrect, he's not! Scorched earth rebuildings take a lot of time. He was given the ok to break it down and rebuild starting with the 2021 draft, which is only four drafts ago. That is not getting more time than a GM who's owner has decided to give the go-ahead to perform a teardown rebuild.

Secondly, the point about Chicago wasn't about their GM's, it was about a timeline to assemble the correct players to be a winner.

Every year since the 2021 draft the Coyotes/UHC have either got better from adding excellent young players or in the standings. Armstrong has strong backing from Utah ownership, he's making excellent progress four years into his rebuild.
 
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Jamieh said:
Do you think this Roster is closer to those Blackhawks teams or the Sabres? I sure don't see the Blackhawks in this roster. That's the point of the 5 year rebuild question? How about the Leafs,Rangers, abd possibly the Candiens turning it around faster. To name a few
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I'm not sure what this has to do with my post. There's still some missing pieces for sure, but it's coming together nicely in my opinion. They need another top six center and to continue making progress in the standings.

If they stall at all, then I think you'll see Armstrong have to answer for that, but that isn't happening at the moment.
 
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Freakshow said:
But we're not talking about the average life of a GM, we're talking about a rebuilding GM, a rebuilding GM is different than a GM who has an agenda to win now, they're apples and oranges.
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Ducks, Buffalo, have had 3 GM in the last 10 years, Redwings and Black hawks and Devils have had 2. Oranges to Oranges BA is on thin ice.
 
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Back to coaching...some possible candidates to replace Tourigny (if it goes that way):

Old guard guys...
Joel Quenville
Jay Woodcroft
Gerard Gallant

Jay Leach - Bruins assistant
Tim Gleason - Hurricanes assistant
Steve Ott - Bluses assistant
Claude Julien - Blues assistant

David Carle - U of Denver
???
 
Not sure why Bill Armstrong would fire his coach after the coach lives up to the expectations the GM himself publicly set prior to the season? Despite major injury issues, at that. And while the young players and key new pieces and contracts all took positive steps forward. What kind of criteria would he be using to make a decision like that? Not sure most people operate that way.
 
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Mangosteen said:
Ducks, Buffalo, have had 3 GM in the last 10 years, Redwings and Black hawks and Devils have had 2. Oranges to Oranges BA is on thin ice.
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Seems apples to oranges to me...

4 of the 5 teams you mentioned did not actually get any better after changing GMs. They're also behind UHC in points right now. How's the GM change working out for them?

Yzerman has been rebuilding DET for a year longer than BA. DET still has fewer points this season than UHC does.

CHI didn't fire Bowman. He resigned over the sexual assault cover up. That's why Kyle Davidson is there now.


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Unless I messed up, my research showed:

ANA has had 2 GMs over the last 16 years, not 3 in 10. DET has had 2 over the last 28 years and Yzerman has been there the last 6. CHI has had 2 over the last 16 years, one of them resigned.
 
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Mosby said:
I think we will bring in more size than just But. Whether through trade or free agency.
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BA was saying on a podcast with Petey that the playoffs are a different animal, and he mentioned how hitting really takes a big jump. He stated facts, but I forgot what he said, but I was astounded at the difference. You need size to withstand, and to hand out hits. I agree, BA will add size.
 
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lanky said:
I agree that Schmaltz won't be re-signed and might be traded. I really don't think Marner is a fit, given the desire to get bigger and harder. I'm sure that Rantanen would have been a target. Don't know who else could be targeted as a legit top six forward with size.

That's why I think the do-nothing approach might be the way to go. Daniil But and Iginla are coming sooner than later and will bring more grit to our top six as compared to Schmaltz and Maccelli.
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BA said the playoffs are expected next year. Staying with the same line up is not the approach.
 
rt said:
Not sure why Bill Armstrong would fire his coach after the coach lives up to the expectations the GM himself publicly set prior to the season? Despite major injury issues, at that. And while the young players and key new pieces and contracts all took positive steps forward. What kind of criteria would he be using to make a decision like that? Not sure most people operate that way.
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Except the know it all coaches on HF boards. :laugh: :laugh:
 
TheLegend said:
Other than you've been saying it year after year. :sarcasm:
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Pish lol was only slamming tanking. I called the Yotes moving because of the embarrassment of the brand. Always said it's easy to torch a team but harder to build. I disapproved of how BA handled the players especially during trades and that the Bear systems were confusing. Oh and how off the board BA draft picks were. Till this year I never called for there heads lol

There was a time RT called me too optimistic about they Yotes... Hmmm maybe that has changed lmao
 
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