Official 2024-25 Utah HC Season Discussion.

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Why would you start piling on vets if it's going to kick Josh Doan out of the lineup??
I like Josh, but next year we need to take another step. Zacka and Marchment could both end up available, and make us much tougher to play against. We don't have to add Boqvist which is who blocks Doan somewhat, but I also want to see some depth for injuries. Basically, I think the team is ready to begin buying for playoff hockey because we've developed and drafted most of the youth we'll need. Marchments contract runs long enough for But and Iginla to have another development year, and Zacha gives us 2 reliable years to see how we want to approach our 2c situation.
 
After watching a lot of these young guys get drafted by Bill Armstrong and Darryl Plandowski I really like the direction they're headed in. Whoever made the decision to just tear it down and start building through the draft is a genius. That's how you build a foundation. They floundered around for the better part of 25 years doing absolutely nothing as an organization, on the ice.

They still need another top six center, you've gotta build through the middle of the ice, defense and goaltending. Cooley will probably end up as the best player taken from the 2022 draft, a gift at #3 that year, great pick!! Guenther was another gift from the Vancouver Canucks, what a clown-show of an organization that is lol, sorry not sorry, he's gonna be another steal in the draft. Doan will turnout to be a really good energy guy in the middle six, another good second round pick. Not to mention they still have kids like Simashev, But and Hrbal from the 2023 draft and Iginla and Beaudoin from the 2024 draft, plus a plethora of potentially good young defensemen they took in rounds 2 thru 4 in 2024.

If we get another team in Arizona I'll most definitely follow them, but I'm really enjoying watching this team develop into something very good over the past four years!
Good post. I was very critical of BA tearing it down to the studs. I agree with tearing it down, but I though he went to far. He has earned my trust for the time being. Leg's see how this ends up, but so far so good.
 
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Why would you start piling on vets if it's going to kick Josh Doan out of the lineup??
Doan is such an interesting player. Very seldom does he let his foot off the gas. Every shift it's full throttle. He may not have the talent of a Cooley, but what he does in other areas makes up for it. He is one of the core players on this team, for sure.
 
I would say Don Maloney tried it first, but his hand was kind of forced in the sense that we were a bottom 5 team in the first place, so he figured he’d throw in the towel and try to finish as low as possible, only to get out tanked by Buffalo and lose the lottery to Edmonton. Then he got fired.

I admit I actually kind of liked some of John Chayka’s moves at first. Trading for Raanta and Stepan especially was a move I really liked at the time. Raanta turned out to not be able to handle a starter’s workload, but we got pretty lucky with Kuemper to make up for it. Acquiring Kessel was also a move I liked at the time. I think I had mixed feelings on getting Taylor Hall, but there are probably some posts I made back then that contradict that. I guess I can say that I appreciated that he was trying. Several years removed from his tenure, I think it’s safe to say that his attempt to “accelerate the rebuild” backfired pretty spectacularly, but that’s with having the advantage of hindsight.

I like what Bill Armstrong is doing so far after he had to basically tear things down and start from scratch. There is an argument to be made that he’s taking things too slowly and we should be a playoff team by now, but after John Chayka, I’m wary of trying too much to accelerate our rebuild.

For the longest time I was fine with Don Maloney, but he was doomed by his late first round and second round selections, He took over in 2007 and the picks late first and second round during his time were
Nick Ross - 30 OA
Brett MacLean - 32 OA
Joel Gistedt - 36OA
Viktor Tikhonov - 28 OA
Jared Staal - 49 OA
Chris Brown - 36 OA
Mark Visentin - 27 OA
Phil Lane - 52 OA
Oscar Lindberg - 57 OA
Alexander Ruuttu - 51 OA
Lucas Lessio - 56 OA
Henrik Samuelsson - 27 OA
Jordan Martinook - 58 OA
Laurent Dauphin - 39 OA
Ryan MacInnis - 43 OA
Christian Dvorak - 58 OA
Nick Merkley - 30 OA
Christian Fischer - 32 OA

there's a whole lot of busts in there, some players who kinda worked out (but some not for the Coyotes) and a very low number of actual NHL players. What a sad list.
 
For the longest time I was fine with Don Maloney, but he was doomed by his late first round and second round selections, He took over in 2007 and the picks late first and second round during his time were
Nick Ross - 30 OA
Brett MacLean - 32 OA
Joel Gistedt - 36OA
Viktor Tikhonov - 28 OA
Jared Staal - 49 OA
Chris Brown - 36 OA
Mark Visentin - 27 OA
Phil Lane - 52 OA
Oscar Lindberg - 57 OA
Alexander Ruuttu - 51 OA
Lucas Lessio - 56 OA
Henrik Samuelsson - 27 OA
Jordan Martinook - 58 OA
Laurent Dauphin - 39 OA
Ryan MacInnis - 43 OA
Christian Dvorak - 58 OA
Nick Merkley - 30 OA
Christian Fischer - 32 OA

there's a whole lot of busts in there, some players who kinda worked out (but some not for the Coyotes) and a very low number of actual NHL players. What a sad list.

Maybe when he drafted Viktor Tikhonov, he thought he was actually drafting his grandfather to be the future coach of the Coyotes.
 
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Yes, agree, they tried it early in the Maloney era, 2007 to 2016, to build through the draft, but they were both unlucky in that they drafted in some poor talent years and they also made some bad selections. They also didn't do enough to gather as many picks as they could, just my personal opinion. Armstrong's made 42 picks in his five drafts as the Coyotes/UHC GM, Maloney took six drafts to select that many times, it's like an extra draft in one year less for Armstrong.

The Coyotes had three good years under Tippett, 2009/10/11, and then they just faded away again as they drafted poorly and made some poor decisions. I always thought Chayka was in over his head and he made more bad decisions than good, and it showed in the standings.

Anyway, I'm just glad to see them pick better, perhaps there's some luck involved there, but as they say, you've gotta be lucky to be good. Also, having played in the 80's with some guys in the organization, and against Plandowski when he played for the Lloydminster Lancers in the SJHL, I'll probably always follow them just for personal interest along with watching those kids get drafted and developed by the organization. Corey Schwab and I played together, he used to always get me free tickets, but those days are gone now....dang it!! :(
Armstrong had the benefit for a couple years of not worrying about driving fans away with only 4700 seats to fill. Don't think it didn't influence decisions from the top.
 
Daniil But might be ready to plug in and Iginla and Moroz could be very close too. I agree that adding multiple bottom-six vet wingers on multi-year deals is silliness.

A veteran winger is pretty low on our list of needs but if Bill can find a top line winger that fits the fast and heavy style he wants, then great.
So many ifs and wish's. Let's first see them play for our affiliate team next year. Lanky I appreciate your knowledge but what makes you think there is a probable chance either of these two can play for Utah?
 
So many ifs and wish's. Let's first see them play for our affiliate team next year. Lanky I appreciate your knowledge but what makes you think there is a probable chance either of these two can play for Utah?
Both are playing in the KHL, which is a mans league. I think with BA signing Cole and Maatta to extensions might indicate that the D we have in the system are not quite ready for full time NHL play.
 
For the longest time I was fine with Don Maloney, but he was doomed by his late first round and second round selections, He took over in 2007 and the picks late first and second round during his time were
Nick Ross - 30 OA
Brett MacLean - 32 OA
Joel Gistedt - 36OA
Viktor Tikhonov - 28 OA
Jared Staal - 49 OA
Chris Brown - 36 OA
Mark Visentin - 27 OA
Phil Lane - 52 OA
Oscar Lindberg - 57 OA
Alexander Ruuttu - 51 OA
Lucas Lessio - 56 OA
Henrik Samuelsson - 27 OA
Jordan Martinook - 58 OA
Laurent Dauphin - 39 OA
Ryan MacInnis - 43 OA
Christian Dvorak - 58 OA
Nick Merkley - 30 OA
Christian Fischer - 32 OA

there's a whole lot of busts in there, some players who kinda worked out (but some not for the Coyotes) and a very low number of actual NHL players. What a sad list.
It is always interesting to look back at drafts and wonder what could have been...

One funny one - the Coyotes drafted Jared Staal 2 spots ahead of Derek Stepan.
 
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This in spades. The problem was always the need to be competitive enough to keep a lethargic, pathetic and apathetic fanbase interested, while attempting to improve.
But at some point you have to say, as an owner, "this isn't working", though. An owner has to be able to eat the cost of tanking for better long term success. The Coyotes had some poor owners, they kept throwing good money after bad trying to be competitive to attract fans. Winning attracts fans, build it and they win come.
 
I Don't think the Sergachev trade happens in Arizona but I wrote that I expected that kinda trade as soon as relocation was announced. I don't think if it wasn't already year 4 or 5 in rebuild the Utah's would be still going the complete through the draft plan so no it would not have been still been permitted imo. I also don't think Bill would have been all draft either if the money was available to speed up the process in AZ. It was just the perfect storm for a complete teardown and draft rebuild and reality is we still don't know if it's going to work???
So far it seems to be permitted, no?
 
But at some point you have to say, as an owner, "this isn't working", though. An owner has to be able to eat the cost of tanking for better long term success. The Coyotes had some poor owners, they kept throwing good money after bad trying to be competitive to attract fans. Winning attracts fans, build it and they win come.
The league searched high and low for a good owner. Nobody with real money AND common sense would touch the market because the fanbase is garbage.
 
The league searched high and low for a good owner. Nobody with real money AND common sense would touch the market because the fanbase is garbage.

Guess this is where I remind someone the current majority of posters in this forum are/were part of that so-called "garbage fanbase."
 
The league searched high and low for a good owner. Nobody with real money AND common sense would touch the market because the fanbase is garbage.
I don't think the fanbase is "garbage", I just think you have to have a venue in a location that's suitable for a city that's spread out like the metro Phoenix area. The majority of season ticket holders were Scottsdale residents, so south Scottsdale or in the Papago Golf Course area (near the Phoenix zoo) would attract fans from Scottsdale, Phoenix, Tempe, Mesa, Chandler & Gilbert. As opposed to driving all the way up to north Glendale for a game. A more central location for an arena is very much needed for it to work in Phoenix.

Anyways, water under the bridge, they will do fantastic in Utah. They need to vastly improve the arena there but it's still WAY better than playing at ASU.
 
I don't think the fanbase is "garbage", I just think you have to have a venue in a location that's suitable for a city that's spread out like the metro Phoenix area. The majority of season ticket holders were Scottsdale residents, so south Scottsdale or in the Papago Golf Course area (near the Phoenix zoo) would attract fans from Scottsdale, Phoenix, Tempe, Mesa, Chandler & Gilbert. As opposed to driving all the way up to north Glendale for a game. A more central location for an arena is very much needed for it to work in Phoenix.

Anyways, water under the bridge, they will do fantastic in Utah. They need to vastly improve the arena there but it's still WAY better than playing at ASU.
Then you add twenty years of mostly bad teams and terrible owners. Fans aren't the problem here.
 
I think where BA shined is tearing down and rebuilding and expanding the scouting staff, front office, etc
Tear down, no, he took an extra 18-24 months to really start it, we are seeing that drawn out process now. As for building a team and scouting staff, next year better have more progress and results, for that to be determined as a success.
 

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