Proposal: Offers for Howard

[RussianBum86]

Looking for rhd prospects or middle 6 wingers with size prospects or in nhl.

 

[Sendhelp2Anaheim]

Looking for rhd prospects or middle 6 wingers with size prospects or in nhl.

Ian moore or drew helleson
+
Mysak/ pitre/ myatovic or a pick if you’d prefer

Both dmen are nhl ready this year(helleson already comfortably nhl dmen)
Forwards could use change of scenery, tho mysak had a solid season in ahl last year

 

[Empoleon8771]

I don't think any team is giving that up for Howard, Tampa just doesn't have the leverage to pull that off. I think something like 2 2nds, a 2nd and a decent prospect or a late 1st is much more realistic.

I'd do Pickering and a 2nd for Howard but that already feels like a bit of an overpayment to me.

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

I don't think any team is giving that up for Howard, Tampa just doesn't have the leverage to pull that off. I think something like 2 2nds, a 2nd and a decent prospect or a late 1st is much more realistic.

I'd do Pickering and a 2nd for Howard but that already feels like a bit of an overpayment to me.

If you’re watching these playoffs… hard for me to justify trading a 6’5-6’6 d-man with good feet for a smaller winger, even if Howard is the better prospect.

 

[tomd]

Will be interesting to see what TB gets for him...I'm guessing not more than a 2nd and a B prospect.

 

[Stewie Griffin]

Does anyone really think the return would be that much? I'd think like a 2nd round pick.

You're only trading for a few months early of negotiating. If he really wants, he can wait until August and sign anywhere.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

Does anyone really think the return would be that much? I'd think like a 2nd round pick.

You're only trading for a few months early of negotiating. If he really wants, he can wait until August and sign anywhere.

A few months? He can sign an ELC today. Tampa keeps his rights until August 15th of 2026

 

[Brodeur]

Does anyone really think the return would be that much? I'd think like a 2nd round pick.

You're only trading for a few months early of negotiating. If he really wants, he can wait until August and sign anywhere.

Tampa at a minimum would get a 2027 2nd rounder (63rd overall) if they let his rights expire. It's probably better for both sides to get something done soon, although Howard wouldn't necessarily be delaying his RFA clock since he'd have to sign a 3 year ELC if he signed now (21 years old) vs. a 2 year ELC if he were to sign August 2026 (22 years old).

The indication seems to be that the 2025 Draft isn't deep, so I wouldn't be shocked if there was a team willing to give up a late first if they thought Howard could contend for an NHL spot soon rather than waiting 3+ years with the pick.

Off the top of my head, here's some prospects who forced trades:

2011: Calgary drafted Tim Erixon with the 23rd pick in 2009 but he declined to sign. He would have re-entered the 2011 Draft where some thought he'd be a top 15 pick. Calgary would have received the 53rd pick as compensation but Erixon steered them to trade him to the Rangers. New York gave up picks #45, #57, and a lesser prospect (Roman Horak) and signed Erixon before the deadline. Maybe not the same exact situation since Erixon risked re-entering the draft whereas Howard would not.

2019: Carolina trades Adam Fox to the Rangers for a 2019 2nd and 2020 3rd. Like Howard, Fox had completed his junior year of college and Carolina had his rights for another year. But since Fox wasn't a first rounder, they risked getting nothing if they let Fox go back for his senior year and then become a free agent.

2022: Minnesota drafted with Jack McBain with a 3rd round pick in 2018. McBain didn't want to sign with Minnesota. Since he wasn't a 1st rounder, Minnesota would have received no compensation if McBain went the August 15th route. They'd trade him to Arizona for a 2022 2nd rounder.

2024: Cutter Gauthier and Rutger McGroarty forced trades by declining to sign. Both got decent returns since the field wasn't limited like the cases with Erixon/Fox.

I'm sure I'm forgetting others (John Marino) but as long as Howard doesn't limit the field, I think Tampa should be able to recoup something close to their original investment (31st pick in 2022).

 

[Canovin]

If his value can't be high if he's choosing his destination. If for some reason he chooses Edmonton, I'd offer Jarventi

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

If his value can't be high if he's choosing his destination. If for some reason he chooses Edmonton, I'd offer Jarventi

You would offer a guy not worth a 2nd for a guy worth at minimum a 2nd? How benevolent of you

 

[Canovin]

You would offer a guy not worth a 2nd for a guy worth at minimum a 2nd? How benevolent of you

Or Tampa can hold onto him and lose him for nothing when he finishes college

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

Or Tampa can hold onto him and lose him for nothing when he finishes college

No that's the point. They don't lose him for nothing, they get compensated a 2nd round pick if he doesn't sign. Meaning his trade value is at minimum a 2nd

 

[Canovin]

No that's the point. They don't lose him for nothing, they get compensated a 2nd round pick if he doesn't sign. Meaning his trade value is at minimum a 2nd

Really? I did not know this.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

Really? I did not know this.

Yes if a former 1st round pick opts out of signing their ELC then the team is compensated a 2nd round pick

 

[Captain Mountain]

No that's the point. They don't lose him for nothing, they get compensated a 2nd round pick if he doesn't sign. Meaning his trade value is at minimum a 2nd

a late 2nd. because the pick would be based on where Howard was selected, so it would be the 31st pick in the 2nd Round (likely pick 63).

 

[TGWL]

No that's the point. They don't lose him for nothing, they get compensated a 2nd round pick if he doesn't sign. Meaning his trade value is at minimum a 2nd

I agree that they will get at least a second in terms of pick or value. If they had no bites, (and they will) the compensation would be a draft selection, 2 years out, at the bottom of the 2nd round, so it depends what they value having now vs 2027 late 2nd when it comes to a minimum. All meaningless because teams will be interested.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

a late 2nd. because the pick would be based on where Howard was selected, so it would be the 31st pick in the 2nd Round (likely pick 63).

Yes, that's my point. That's his absolute minimum value. I would assume multiple teams would happily move a mid round 2nd at the chance to sign him and at worst they get that pick. It essentially becomes an auction though. Best offer wins, and with his potential there will be quite a few interested parties

 

[Brodeur]

Really? I did not know this.

Just for the excuse to go down memory lane....

In the 1995 CBA, the NHL added compensatory picks for 1st rounders who didn't sign. In those days the rookie salary cap was just added but it wasn't like how it is today. The spirit of the rule was to help teams get something back if they got spurned by the player. Although in some cases, the team realized they drafted a dud and that they'd rather have the mulligan.

1998: Devils got the 37th pick (10th pick of the 2nd round) for not signing Lance Ward (10th overall in 1996). Definitely a case where the team wanted a redo (insert joke about Lou bending the rules here). Ward would get redrafted 63rd overall by Florida.

Colorado got #53 for not being able to sign Peter Ratchuk. It appears Ratchuk was the first to use the NCAA to CHL loophole to become an unrestricted free agent since he was too old to re-enter the draft. Ratchuk would sign with Florida.

1999: Washington got #37 for not signing Nick Boynton. As I remember it, Washington nearly traded Boynton to Chicago for #23 before his rights expired but something happened. Boynton would be redrafted #21 by Boston.

LA opted not to sign Matt Zultek and got back pick #43. Zultek would be redrafted #56 by Boston.

Colorado got pick #54 for not signing Kevin Grimes who would go undrafted in 1999.

2000: Islanders got pick #39 for not signing Mike Rupp. Rupp would be redrafted #76 by New Jersey.

Maybe one of the more infamous instances was Mathieu Chouinard and Ottawa. There was a lot of front office turnover after Chouinard was drafted in the 1st round in 1998 and he got a last minute contract offer in 2000. He didn't like how Ottawa refused to negotiate so he declined to sign. Ottawa got pick #45 as compensation and proceeded to use that pick to take Chouinard again. Chouinard said he punched a wall when he found out.

New Jersey got pick #56 after Mike Van Ryn used a loophole to become a free agent. The two sides went to an arbitrator a few weeks earlier to determine his status. Van Ryn would sign with St. Louis a few weeks later.

One personal favorite outlier was the league giving Boston pick #66 (1st pick of the 3rd round) as compensation for Ben Clymer (1st pick of the 2nd round in 1997) using a loophole to become a free agent. Boston must have argued that while Clymer was technically a 2nd rounder (#27) in 1997 that there were now 30 teams in the league after expansion and the NHL threw them a bone.

2001: Phoenix got #45 for Scott Kelman not signing; Kelman went undrafted the second time.

Buffalo got #50 for Barett Heisten who used the Clymer/Van Ryn loophole to sign with the Rangers.

2003: Chicago got #59 for signing Adam Munro who went undrafted the second time. Oddly Munro would eventually sign with Chicago.

2004: Rangers got #46 for R.J. Umberger not signing. Umberger went the August 15th route to sign with Philadelphia.

Dallas got #56 for not signing Martin Vagner; Vagner would be redrafted #268 by Carolina.

2005: LA got #60 for David Steckel. As I remember it, LA preferred the pick after Steckel didn't impress on a minor league deal with LA's farm teams. Steckel would sign with Washington.

2006: Boston got #37 for Lars Jonsson. Edmonton got #45 for Jesse Niinimaki. LA got #48 for Jens Karlsson; LA's scouts wanted to draft Milan Lucic with #48 but new GM Dean Lombardi forced them to take a defenseman.

2007: Minnesota got #42 for A.J. Thelen.

2008: Phoenix got #35 for Blake Wheeler refusing to sign.

2009: Rangers got #47 for Alexei Cherepanov (RIP)

2011: Montreal got #50 for declining to sign David Fischer.

2012: San Jose got #55 for declining to sign Patrick White who was acquired from Vancouver; San Jose likely knew they weren't going to sign him and that they'd have the pick in their back pocket.

2013: Winnipeg got #59 for not signing Daultan Leveille who was drafted in 2008 by Atlanta.

2015: Chicago received #54 for Kevin Hayes declining to sign.

2016: Coyotes got #53 after they didn't sign Conner Bleackley; They got Bleackley at the trade deadline but they weren't going to sign him.

2022: Minnesota got #56 for not signing Filip Johansson.

2024: Philadelphia got #51 for not signing Jay O'Brien.

 

[Static]

Drew helleson for Howard?

 

[Rebels57]

2 Packages from the Flyers

Either straight up for Edmonton's 2025 1st (looks to be between 30-32)

or

Flyers 2025 2nd plus either RHD prospect Carter Sotheran or Spencer Gill.

Philadelphia Flyers - In the System - Elite Prospects

Statistical overview of all Philadelphia Flyers prospects.

www.eliteprospects.com

Howard would be a great fit since the Flyers are shallow at LW and would get an opportunity to play right away. Seems like a prospect Tocchet would like as well.

 

[FlyguyOX]

2 Packages from the Flyers

Either straight up for Edmonton's 2025 1st (looks to be between 30-32)

or

Flyers 2025 2nd plus either RHD prospect Carter Sotheran or Spencer Gill.

Philadelphia Flyers - In the System - Elite Prospects

Statistical overview of all Philadelphia Flyers prospects.

www.eliteprospects.com

Howard would be a great fit since the Flyers are shallow at LW and would get an opportunity to play right away. Seems like a prospect Tocchet would like as well.

Probably the best offer TB will get. They should take this.

 

[Jerzey Devil]

Didn’t Anaheim just give up Drysdale for Gauthier? I don’t know much about Howard but if he’s good enough teams might cough up something decent. I also recognize that people consider Anaheim the winners if that trade at this point but Drysdale was a legit prospect/player at the time.

 

[Empoleon8771]

2 Packages from the Flyers

Either straight up for Edmonton's 2025 1st (looks to be between 30-32)

or

Flyers 2025 2nd plus either RHD prospect Carter Sotheran or Spencer Gill.

Philadelphia Flyers - In the System - Elite Prospects

Statistical overview of all Philadelphia Flyers prospects.

www.eliteprospects.com

Howard would be a great fit since the Flyers are shallow at LW and would get an opportunity to play right away. Seems like a prospect Tocchet would like as well.

I think Philly trading one of their late 1sts for Howard makes a ton of sense, I just hope they don't do it

They have 7 picks in like the top-45 in this draft, turning 1 or 2 of those into Howard makes a ton of sense.

 

[DesertPenguin]

Pens would be happy offering two of the following, your pick. 2nd rounders in 2025 and 2026 are in play, excluding their own in 2026 since that's an offer sheet enabler.

2025 Capitals 2nd Rounder
2026 Blues 2nd Rounder
2026 Winnipeg 2nd Rounder
Vasiliy Ponomarev
Tristan Broz
Sam Poulin
Tanner Howe

I'd also consider a deal around Howard+ for Rakell or Rust.

 

[My3Sons]

I could see NJ offering a second since they have two and Seamus Casey who is ready to make the jump as a right handed defender. After the playoffs my guess is that Simon Nemec is back in the organization's plans and the team has a log jam at right defense with three veterans on long term deals and they could use another good forward prospect.