News Article: Offer Sheets!!!!

[Habs]

Benson..........9.5M???????????
Am I missing something?

The team sure missed out of something in studs like Benson or Leonard. But hey, another 3 years in the AHL and I'm sure DR will fill the role of a shutdown 5-6 guy just fine.

 

[Fish on The Sand]

Sometime it can backfire hard. Like when Carolina tried to get revenge on Montreal by giving an offer sheet to KK and now they are stuck with his horrible contract

That's a little more complicated.

Their offer sheet was only for one year. They didn't have to sign him to an 8 year extension. That was just compounding an error with a bigger error.

 

[Bacchus1]

Offer sheets will have to wait until after the start of free agency. Once players start getting signed, budgets will start to get constrained, and there will be room for teams to run out of budget and thus get exposed. I hope we get someone like Leo Carlson.

 

[DrBizz4r3]

Kesselring is the only viable one i think. Others are matched

 

[Flip The Bird]

Offer sheets will have to wait until after the start of free agency. Once players start getting signed, budgets will start to get constrained, and there will be room for teams to run out of budget and thus get exposed. I hope we get someone like Leo Carlson.

Montreal may have to offer sheet if they want to get that elusive center

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

Carlsson is not better than Fantilli and neither are worth more than 10 mil

1. He certainly is
2. You wouldn't take Leo Carlsson on this team at 10.1M?

 

[Rapala]

1. He certainly is
2. You wouldn't take Leo Carlsson on this team at 10.1M?

The draft that still haunts me to this day when the Habs didn't end up in the top 3 at the very least.

 

[Bacchus1]

1. He certainly is
2. You wouldn't take Leo Carlsson on this team at 10.1M?

Why do you pick $10.1M? The boundaries for compensation at not 10.1M

At 10.1M, I am sure the the contract is matched. It might take 11.9 for 2 1sts or even more (12M+) for 4 1sts. To get Leo Carlsson, I think 4 1st is justified, and those 1st probably aren't worth that much. It is win now, and having the prospects we already have and a 1-2 of Susuki and Carlsson would probably thrust us to a perpetual contender for over 4 years, and so those picks will be 17 or worse for a long time.

The only issue is that Carlsson doesn't score that much compared with Suzuki, yet he would be earning 50% more. Will Carlsson scale up? A bit of a risk, but a big bodied centre who is putting points points up now is likely to fulfill the promise. He would be a great #2.

But it would be robbery! I am sure the Ducks are doing the work to sign him ASAP. I also think the Leo is happy in Anaheim.

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

Why do you pick $10.1M? The boundaries for compensation at not 10.1M

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At 10.1M, I am sure the the contract is matched. It might take 11.9 for 2 1sts or even more (12M+) for 4 1sts. To get Leo Carlsson, I think 4 1st is justified, and those 1st probably aren't worth that much. It is win now, and having the prospects we already have and a 1-2 of Susuki and Carlsson would probably thrust us to a perpetual contender for over 4 years, and so those picks will be 17 or worse for a long time.

The only issue is that Carlsson doesn't score that much compared with Suzuki, yet he would be earning 50% more. Will Carlsson scale up? A bit of a risk, but a big bodied centre who is putting points points up now is likely to fulfill the promise. He would be a great #2.

But it would be robbery! I am sure the Ducks are doing the work to sign him ASAP. I also think the Leo is happy in Anaheim.

I picked 10.1 because he said neither are worth over 10

 

[JianYang]

Sometime it can backfire hard. Like when Carolina tried to get revenge on Montreal by giving an offer sheet to KK and now they are stuck with his horrible contract

Theres also the intangible part of it that needs to be considered. GMs like to deal with people they have trusted relations with, so you also choke off potential trade routes for years not only with the team trying to serve you a poison pill, but also with some other GMs.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Theres also the intangible part of it that needs to be considered. GMs like to deal with people they have trusted relations with, so you also choke off potential trade routes for years not only with the team trying to serve you a poison pill, but also with some other GMs.

Have St Louis or Carolina had any trouble making trades?

 

[JianYang]

Have St Louis or Carolina had any trouble making trades?

I dont recall them making trades with the team they served poison pills to since then, to be honest.

It's not about whether they can make trades. Im just saying if you start with 31 trade routes, you might choke off a small portion of them, and one day that might come back to bite them when they find the right peice in those particular trade routes.

 

[JackZap]

The draft that still haunts me to this day when the Habs didn't end up in the top 3 at the very least.

Shit show that was. Thank you RHP and Montenblow

 

[Spearmint Rhino]

That's a little more complicated.

Their offer sheet was only for one year. They didn't have to sign him to an 8 year extension. That was just compounding an error with a bigger error.

That extension was surely part of a hand shake deal when the offer sheet was signed as KKs QO after that one year would’ve been over $6MM.

It’s a deal that both teams lost

 

[Fish on The Sand]

That extension was surely part of a hand shake deal when the offer sheet was signed as KKs QO after that one year would’ve been over $6MM.

It’s a deal that both teams lost

I doubt there was a handshake deal because the league would have likely investigated it.

They probably felt pot committed after basically trading a first round pick for him.

It's a textbook example of the sunk cost fallacy.

 

[Spearmint Rhino]

I doubt there was a handshake deal because the league would have likely investigated it.

They probably felt pot committed after basically trading a first round pick for him.

It's a textbook example of the sunk cost fallacy.

I’m not sure they really investigate any deals, Kevin Labanc’s comes to mind as 100% a hand shake deal

 

[JadedRandom]

Why do you pick $10.1M? The boundaries for compensation at not 10.1M

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At 10.1M, I am sure the the contract is matched. It might take 11.9 for 2 1sts or even more (12M+) for 4 1sts. To get Leo Carlsson, I think 4 1st is justified, and those 1st probably aren't worth that much. It is win now, and having the prospects we already have and a 1-2 of Susuki and Carlsson would probably thrust us to a perpetual contender for over 4 years, and so those picks will be 17 or worse for a long time.

The only issue is that Carlsson doesn't score that much compared with Suzuki, yet he would be earning 50% more. Will Carlsson scale up? A bit of a risk, but a big bodied centre who is putting points points up now is likely to fulfill the promise. He would be a great #2.

But it would be robbery! I am sure the Ducks are doing the work to sign him ASAP. I also think the Leo is happy in Anaheim.

Carlsson gets insta-matched at anything lower than $18-19M, so this is a complete non-issue for us and the Ducks.

Guys that might be viable for us to offersheet would be guys like Mavrik Bourque and Michael Kesselring.

But I think I would rather let one of our young guys take a spot in our top-6 rather than trade for Kesselring, and Bourque will likely be either re-signed or traded before offersheets start being a possibility, on July 1st.

As an aside, I don't think I like the rumor that we tried to trade 2x first + Engstrom+ Zharovsky for Knies.

Knies is excellent, and good in all three zones, but this is a LOT for us to give up for a guy that isn't a center.

In a package for a guy like Robert Thomas or Nico Hischier, I'd be okay with us giving these prospects.

But I don't know, Knies just doesn't seem like the best investment for us to make at this point.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

If HuGo actually offered that deal then they must have decided that power forwards are going to be the hardest asset to acquire.

 

[HabsQC]

Carlsson gets insta-matched at anything lower than $18-19M, so this is a complete non-issue for us and the Ducks.

Guys that might be viable for us to offersheet would be guys like Mavrik Bourque and Michael Kesselring.

But I think I would rather let one of our young guys take a spot in our top-6 rather than trade for Kesselring, and Bourque will likely be either re-signed or traded before offersheets start being a possibility, on July 1st.

As an aside, I don't think I like the rumor that we tried to trade 2x first + Engstrom+ Zharovsky for Knies.

Knies is excellent, and good in all three zones, but this is a LOT for us to give up for a guy that isn't a center.

In a package for a guy like Robert Thomas or Nico Hischier, I'd be okay with us giving these prospects.

But I don't know, Knies just doesn't seem like the best investment for us to make at this point.

Then maybe we should offer sheet him at 17.5 to mess up with Anaheim's cap situation. They might be a future rival for the cup

 

[calder candidate]

Then maybe we should offer sheet him at 17.5 to mess up with Anaheim's cap situation. They might be a future rival for the cup

I don’t think we need to go that high we just need to offer him a 1 years deal even if he only use the OS to drive the price up it help if he accepts and they match they will be stuck in the same situation next year…

 

[JadedRandom]

I don’t think we need to go that high we just need to offer him a 1 years deal even if he only use the OS to drive the price up it help if he accepts and they match they will be stuck in the same situation next year…

Then maybe we should offer sheet him at 17.5 to mess up with Anaheim's cap situation. They might be a future rival for the cup

We don't need to go out of our way to screw anyone over.

Best-case scenario, we earn the ire of Anaheim, stop them from adding as much depth as they'd like in the next year or maybe two (but that's a stretch given the cap they will have available), and then they go out of their own way down the line to mess with us.

Worst-case scenario we miss out completely on screwing Anaheim over, they hold a grudge, our management loses a lot of rep across the league, trades are suddenly a bit harder to make, and then we get screwed over in a major way by Anaheim years down the line.

In the former scenario, we lose-out more than we win, but in the second scenario all we do is take losses, with nothing to show for it.

So yeah, what you're both proposing is for our management to shoot themselves in the foot with that offersheet, and in doing so hurt the larger interests of the Canadiens at large.

If you want to offersheet successfully, ala St. Louis, go after lower-profile guys, or try to revive the careers of less-coveted young guys on cap-strapped teams.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

We don't need to go out of our way to screw anyone over.

Best-case scenario, we earn the ire of Anaheim, stop them from adding as much depth as they'd like in the next year or maybe two (but that's a stretch given the cap they will have available), and then they go out of their own way down the line to mess with us.

Worst-case scenario we miss out completely on screwing Anaheim over, they hold a grudge, our management loses a lot of rep across the league, trades are suddenly a bit harder to make, and then we get screwed over in a major way by Anaheim years down the line.

In the former scenario, we lose-out more than we win, but in the second scenario all we do is take losses, with nothing to show for it.

So yeah, what you're both proposing is for our management to shoot themselves in the foot with that offersheet, and in doing so hurt the larger interests of the Canadiens at large.

If you want to offersheet successfully, ala St. Louis, go after lower-profile guys, or try to revive the careers of less-coveted young guys on cap-strapped teams.

Actually probably none of that would happen . The only ones who care if they get screwed over (in this case Anaheim) is Anaheim. No one else would care,

 

[NicRattlehead]

What about an $11M offer sheet for Leo Carlsson. That would cost us draft picks only (which we don’t need).

 

[Jaynki]

What about an $11M offer sheet for Leo Carlsson. That would cost us draft picks only (which we don’t need).

Waste of time. Anaheim match instantly.

 

[HabsQC]

We don't need to go out of our way to screw anyone over.

Best-case scenario, we earn the ire of Anaheim, stop them from adding as much depth as they'd like in the next year or maybe two (but that's a stretch given the cap they will have available), and then they go out of their own way down the line to mess with us.

Worst-case scenario we miss out completely on screwing Anaheim over, they hold a grudge, our management loses a lot of rep across the league, trades are suddenly a bit harder to make, and then we get screwed over in a major way by Anaheim years down the line.

In the former scenario, we lose-out more than we win, but in the second scenario all we do is take losses, with nothing to show for it.

So yeah, what you're both proposing is for our management to shoot themselves in the foot with that offersheet, and in doing so hurt the larger interests of the Canadiens at large.

If you want to offersheet successfully, ala St. Louis, go after lower-profile guys, or try to revive the careers of less-coveted young guys on cap-strapped teams.

I know our management wouldn't do it, but it was for the sake of the conversation.