Offer Sheet for 2c

I'd want someone like Luostarinen, good two way center who can support offense, reasonable contract. Someone to throw between two offensive players and support them
 
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A team is not built in one offseason. Sometimes a little patience is required.

If there's no one realistically available this year, you put in on hold and wait for the market to shift. As a worst-case scenario, you add a strong 2C as the final piece when you're ready to contend. Even a rental will do in such scenario, or someone with a potentially bad contract down the line, because you don't care once your window is closed.

Meanwhile, we could focus on restructuring our defense, a strong backup goalie and some penalty killing forwards. A leaky defense is a greater problem right now for this team than its offense.

We have our 1C and 4C covered. If a 2C is not realistically available at this time, we should aim at having two solid middle six centermen for next season. That's why I believe extending Dvorak is an option that should be considered. A Laine - Dvorak - Demidov line is something I could see working and if it doesn't, I don't think a center would be the problem. It's Laine and his atrocious 5 on 5 play.
Can't agree with this. You see Suzuki put his body on the line and drag this team to within inches of a playoff spot, players are playing through injury, youngsters are playing better than they have before (Struble, notably) -- what kind of message does it send when the organization doesn't reinforce a clear need and sits on its hands?

And expectations will be higher next season... Your solution is to put Dvorak in a 2C role?? What is Suzuki meant to think?

It's like giving a guy a promotion and more responsibilities without giving him a raise or even a better office.

The market for centremen will never shift. Unless there's a sudden cap crunch, every buying team without any exception will be 'over-paying' at the trade market for signed top6 NHL talent or they'll be over-paying FAs to shore up their top6 that way. Bergevin was wrong for thinking the prices would ever come down.

in summary: 2C is a need and we have the assets and cap space to address it.
 
How about Stamkos? I bet Nashville would listen.
I would prefer O'Reilly but wouldn't say no to Stamkos. And since we can easily absorb his full salary, I don't think he would cost too much.

The toughest part would be to get 1 or the other accept a trade to Mtl.
 
A team is not built in one offseason. Sometimes a little patience is required.

If there's no one realistically available this year, you put in on hold and wait for the market to shift. As a worst-case scenario, you add a strong 2C as the final piece when you're ready to contend. Even a rental will do in such scenario, or someone with a potentially bad contract down the line, because you don't care once your window is closed.

Meanwhile, we could focus on restructuring our defense, a strong backup goalie and some penalty killing forwards. A leaky defense is a greater problem right now for this team than its offense.

We have our 1C and 4C covered. If a 2C is not realistically available at this time, we should aim at having two solid middle six centermen for next season. That's why I believe extending Dvorak is an option that should be considered. A Laine - Dvorak - Demidov line is something I could see working and if it doesn't, I don't think a center would be the problem. It's Laine and his atrocious 5 on 5 play.
Absolutely not.
 
I would prefer O'Reilly but wouldn't say no to Stamkos. And since we can easily absorb his full salary, I don't think he would cost too much.

The toughest part would be to get 1 or the other accept a trade to Mtl.
Steven played 6 seasons with the head coach, 5 with Vinny, he's already a fox that can fit in the hole. An excellent veteran for Demidov and the rest of the roster, and Montreal is just a better built club at this point. Not sure what's left for saying no. Taxes are an obvious reason, but there's always ways around those for the stinking rich.
 
Steven played 6 seasons with the head coach, 5 with Vinny, he's already a fox that can fit in the hole. An excellent veteran for Demidov and the rest of the roster, and Montreal is just a better built club at this point. Not sure what's left for saying no. Taxes are an obvious reason, but there's always ways around those for the stinking rich.

Stamkos isn't even half the player he was and making 8.4M per for the next few years. He's had a long career (17 years) with a ton of playoff mileage, he'd be a pass for me.
 
Can't agree with this. You see Suzuki put his body on the line and drag this team to within inches of a playoff spot, players are playing through injury, youngsters are playing better than they have before (Struble, notably) -- what kind of message does it send when the organization doesn't reinforce a clear need and sits on its hands?

And expectations will be higher next season... Your solution is to put Dvorak in a 2C role?? What is Suzuki meant to think?

It's like giving a guy a promotion and more responsibilities without giving him a raise or even a better office.

The market for centremen will never shift. Unless there's a sudden cap crunch, every buying team without any exception will be 'over-paying' at the trade market for signed top6 NHL talent or they'll be over-paying FAs to shore up their top6 that way. Bergevin was wrong for thinking the prices would ever come down.

in summary: 2C is a need and we have the assets and cap space to address it.
Exactly.

It will cost to get something of value as a 2C, especially if we are looking for aYOUNG 2C that is not a project like Dach was and Newhook still is without much success in the role of 2C (better as a 3C to be confirmed).

Fans need to stop expecting that our GM will fleece some other GM to get this done.

Young, established Cs are hard to get, but only without sacrificing something established in return.

Would you've up Guhle + in return of a young, established C, for example?

Would you give a lesser Unicorn LHD than Guhle, a present potential lesser stop-gap 2C, a strong prospect for that position later on and a 3c in exchange; Evans, Xhekaj, Newhook and Hage?

Would you settle on a 28, 29, or 30 yr-old veteran C for 5-7 years, even if it meant including from our 1st round picks this year (maybe both) and/or Hage, plus Xhekaj, for example?

It will hurt somehow, count on it, because every GM knows that Hughes is looking for a 2C and Hughes already acknowledged this by stating that he is ready to overpay for the right player.
 
I'd want someone like Luostarinen, good two way center who can support offense, reasonable contract. Someone to throw between two offensive players and support them
Finally, someone talking about him other than me!! Everyone is looking for a big name instead of taking a guy who will blossom next season.
 
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Crosby should be the target and it would make sense for the Pens to do it. The team is at rock bottom and no amount of patchwork is going to make them a contender.

Their core is way past being competitive, and most are more suited to a secondary role on up-and-coming teams. Getting first and second round picks would kickstart a rebuild because that's what they need. There is no glory in hanging on to Sid just to have him captain a 70-point team.
 
Can't agree with this. You see Suzuki put his body on the line and drag this team to within inches of a playoff spot, players are playing through injury, youngsters are playing better than they have before (Struble, notably) -- what kind of message does it send when the organization doesn't reinforce a clear need and sits on its hands?

And expectations will be higher next season... Your solution is to put Dvorak in a 2C role?? What is Suzuki meant to think?

It's like giving a guy a promotion and more responsibilities without giving him a raise or even a better office.

The market for centremen will never shift. Unless there's a sudden cap crunch, every buying team without any exception will be 'over-paying' at the trade market for signed top6 NHL talent or they'll be over-paying FAs to shore up their top6 that way. Bergevin was wrong for thinking the prices would ever come down.

in summary: 2C is a need and we have the assets and cap space to address it.
I'm not advocating doing nothing. Other needs can and should be addressed regardless of the center situation. We still have a bottom-10 defense and this won't do if we want to start making the playoffs reliably. The options as I see them are as follows:

1. Sign a stop gap like Duchesne or Granlund.

I have not mentioned that in my previous post.

2. Trade for a guy in his 30s on a long contract.

Bo Horvat is probably the best example. He would be a terrific addition, but then his contract starts to be a problem while the second half of our window is still open.

3. Go with two middle six centermen.

You conserve your assets and wait for the trade opportunity to present itself.

Other than the above, if you want to acquire a young top 6 center, you have to be prepared to dismantle our first line and use one of Caufield, Slafkovsky or Demidov as a trade asset. Caufield/Slafkovsky was the price for Cozens.
 
I just don’t see how the Habs can conjure a blue-chip 2C by trade, and UFA centers this summer are lacking.

Is there an RFA we could swing for, given the plethora of picks available to give, by overpaying for a center more capable than Dach (perhaps on a cash-strapped team)?
Interesting question. A really good young Rfa c might cost 2 firsts.
 
A 2C hard to find. Neither Bergevin not Hughes was able to acquire one. Other than Suzuki. Maybe Danault on his career year.

We gave up a mid first and early 3 and 4 for Dach and it hasn't worked out. Trade likely not neither.

Aim for this draft to get top 6 center I would.
At say 14 and 15 picks you’ll get a prospect not ready for 3 years. Unless Habs know of. Hidden gem. Trade the top 2 picks + to. Team rich in good young c
 
And there was no chance of getting him without an NHL player to give them.
Buffalo wanted something in return that the Habs didn't have to offer -- a top 6 C. Ottawa did -- Josh Norris.
The Habs were satisfied enough with their warchest to stand pat at the deadline then the Habs surely had comparable pieces to busted-up, broken extremely fragile Josh Norris. Norris is not remotely impressive and Cozens was not too expensive.

>"I think I'm a player that can play a strong two-way game and bring a physical side, and then also a shooting and playmaking side," Cozens said following the trade. "I want to be a player that's tough to play against, whether that's in the corners or in the face-off circle. ... I've got a lot more to prove now. Obviously, these last few years haven't gone great, but I'm excited to show the player I can be."

Cozens would've been a great fit as a more defensive, physical 2C with size to make up for Suzuki's lack of size. Oh well.

Would you've up Guhle + in return of a young, established C, for example?
If we had Romanov, I would consider it. But we don't have Romanov so I don't think we can trade Guhle right now.

It will hurt somehow, count on it, because every GM knows that Hughes is looking for a 2C and Hughes already acknowledged this by stating that he is ready to overpay for the right player.
The thing with overpayment is that for the right player there is practically no price too high. The right player enhances the roster and the right player is almost always worth more than the bunch of players/prospects/draftpicks packaged to acquire him.

I'm not advocating doing nothing. Other needs can and should be addressed regardless of the center situation. We still have a bottom-10 defense and this won't do if we want to start making the playoffs reliably. The options as I see them are as follows:
We need to improve the defence by having one more top-3 Dman who will then push everybody into the right chair.

Xhekaj and Savard -> out
Reino + new Dman -> in

We still need a 2C with size and defensive-mindedness no matter what.

Caufield/Slafkovsky was the price for Cozens.
No it wasn't. MTL Media's cope posts have to be ignored at this point, it's 2025.
 
top 6 centers traded/acquired over the past few years, maybe missed some, just went down the center list by scoring. Some were worth the price paid, some very much not.

Eichel
Duchene
Strome
Guentzel (?) is he a center??
Tavares
Tage Thompson
Granlund
Vlardi/PLD
Brock nelson
zibanejad
bennett
monahan
Chandler stephenson
B. schenn (x2)
Barbashev
Stamkos
O relilly
zacha
danault
cozens
lindholm
mittlestat
pageau
norris
wennberg
Now we get to Jake evans level of production
 

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