Offense VS Defence

Tak7

Registered User
Nov 1, 2009
13,347
5,235
GTA or the UK
He might as well have titled this article "I miss Sheldon Keefe and want him back". Justin Bourne is a twit.
For a team that has accomplished precious little, it still amazes me how defensive fans here get when media members state very obviously correct things.

The Leafs are playing low event hockey. The Leafs are not scoring much at even strength. The Leafs aren't driving play. The Leafs don't win in the playoffs.

It's okay to let people criticize them and ask very valid questions like "is this the best utilization of this roster?"
 
  • Like
Reactions: aingefan

Evilhomer

Registered User
Oct 10, 2019
5,071
4,972
For a team that has accomplished precious little, it still amazes me how defensive fans here get when media members state very obviously correct things.

The Leafs are playing low event hockey. The Leafs are not scoring much at even strength. The Leafs aren't driving play. The Leafs don't win in the playoffs.

It's okay to let people criticize them and ask very valid questions like "is this the best utilization of this roster?"
To be fair, do Sheldon Keefe's results scream "best utilization of this roster"? Everyone loves offense, but the reality is that "low-event" hockey is generally what wins.
 
  • Like
Reactions: LeafSteel

budzz

History is just that.
Jan 26, 2015
1,023
1,347
For a team that has accomplished precious little, it still amazes me how defensive fans here get when media members state very obviously correct things.

The Leafs are playing low event hockey. The Leafs are not scoring much at even strength. The Leafs aren't driving play. The Leafs don't win in the playoffs.

It's okay to let people criticize them and ask very valid questions like "is this the best utilization of this roster?"
Agreed. It is a valid question. While I love the idea of a harder north south game that is proven to be more effective in the playoffs, I wondered how it would play out with this group. I honestly think we're on the right track, including having a pretty competent larger D-Core capable of supporting it (and better goaltending helps alot). I wondered if it would stunt Matty's goal totals, which remains to be seen, although Willy and JT seem to be still getting theirs. I definitely think it affects a guy like Roberston more, who is a bit more free-wheeling and not the typical "dump and go get it" guy (although he has been decent at that).

At the end of the day in a tight low scoring playoff game, you only hope everyone keeps their D tight and we make less mistakes than the other guys, and even if totals are down, top talent gets that one or 2 plays that make a difference.
 

Jimmy Firecracker

They Fired Sheldon!
Mar 30, 2010
37,528
38,783
Mississauga
It's just taking time getting used to Berube's system. Doesn't help that we've got numerous injuries up front, not least of all to our Captain and the best goal-scorer in the game. Regardless, I'm not too worried. It'll be easier and cheaper to add an impact forward at the TDL than an impact defenseman that we've had to acquire at multiple trade deadlines this era (Muzzin, Giordano, McCabe).
 

Racer88

Registered User
Sep 29, 2020
12,110
12,112
For a team that has accomplished precious little, it still amazes me how defensive fans here get when media members state very obviously correct things.

The Leafs are playing low event hockey. The Leafs are not scoring much at even strength. The Leafs aren't driving play. The Leafs don't win in the playoffs.

It's okay to let people criticize them and ask very valid questions like "is this the best utilization of this roster?"
The fact is that this core never accomplished squat with the previous utilization, coach and GM so I’m all for trying a different method

Agreed. It is a valid question. While I love the idea of a harder north south game that is proven to be more effective in the playoffs, I wondered how it would play out with this group. I honestly think we're on the right track, including having a pretty competent larger D-Core capable of supporting it (and better goaltending helps alot). I wondered if it would stunt Matty's goal totals, which remains to be seen, although Willy and JT seem to be still getting theirs. I definitely think it affects a guy like Roberston more, who is a bit more free-wheeling and not the typical "dump and go get it" guy (although he has been decent at that).

At the end of the day in a tight low scoring playoff game, you only hope everyone keeps their D tight and we make less mistakes than the other guys, and even if totals are down, top talent gets that one or 2 plays that make a difference.
We won’t know how this will affect Matty’s goal totals until he shows up to play
 

notDatsyuk

Registered User
Jul 20, 2018
11,506
9,522
For a team that has accomplished precious little, it still amazes me how defensive fans here get when media members state very obviously correct things.

The Leafs are playing low event hockey. The Leafs are not scoring much at even strength. The Leafs aren't driving play. The Leafs don't win in the playoffs.

It's okay to let people criticize them and ask very valid questions like "is this the best utilization of this roster?"
I don't think it's okay to criticize the current utilization, which is only a couple of months old, by blaming it for 7 years of playoff failure.

Last year the Leafs scored 19% more goals at 5on5 than they allowed. This year it's 22%.
 
  • Like
Reactions: TopCheeseShotta

Evilhomer

Registered User
Oct 10, 2019
5,071
4,972
That drop in offensive possession and rush chances is concerning...

People love spouting this, but there's no actual evidence of it.
Does scoring historically go up or down in the playoffs relative to the regular season? I've not looked at the numbers, but that would be a factor to consider in the analysis.
 

notDatsyuk

Registered User
Jul 20, 2018
11,506
9,522
Over the last 5 seasons we outscored our opponents by 19% at 5on5.

So far this season we have outscored our opponents by 22%.
 
  • Like
Reactions: aingefan

Nineteen67

HFBoards Sponsor
Sponsor
Dec 12, 2017
25,067
11,725
They said there was change coming and this is the change. I don’t think they’ll go very far in the playoffs but at least you can watch the games this year and be somewhat entertained.
 

Roo

Registered User
Oct 3, 2005
4,113
1,280
Oakville
Pretty sure Berube stated that they expected goals to come down a bit. Regular season numbers don't really matter, this is all in preparation for the games to come this Spring.
 
  • Like
Reactions: ACC1224

Tak7

Registered User
Nov 1, 2009
13,347
5,235
GTA or the UK
The fact is that this core never accomplished squat with the previous utilization, coach and GM so I’m all for trying a different method
They are trying a different method - time will tell whether it's the right one or not.
Early results suggest they aren't a cup contender, which is what we had them pegged as before the season started.
So when media discuss that, I fail to see why people get so upset by it.

I don't think it's okay to criticize the current utilization, which is only a couple of months old, by blaming it for 7 years of playoff failure.
Why not?

Thinking this is some sort of new distinct era of Leafs hockey is .... inaccurate? The same roster building mistakes, playoff wounds, and insecurities still plague this roster.
 

HockeyVirus

Woll stan.
Nov 15, 2020
19,445
29,718
For a team that has accomplished precious little, it still amazes me how defensive fans here get when media members state very obviously correct things.

The Leafs are playing low event hockey. The Leafs are not scoring much at even strength. The Leafs aren't driving play. The Leafs don't win in the playoffs.

It's okay to let people criticize them and ask very valid questions like "is this the best utilization of this roster?"

This is how the GM built the team. You want us to play run and gun with Tanev, McCabe, Benoit, Haakanpa etc on defense? These guys were brought in because they want the forwards to force other teams to dump and chase and think these dmen can win those battles reliably and get the puck back out.

I am curious to see the salary allocation next season once half our core expire. I am betting the money will be used on depth.
 

Dekes For Days

Registered User
Sep 24, 2018
21,325
16,013
Just because you can pick a few outliers doesn’t mean the vast majority of winning teams are good defensively.
Not sure what you're even trying to say.
Does scoring historically go up or down in the playoffs relative to the regular season?
It's pretty much the same. A 3% drop through the cap era, with no evidence of lower event hockey, or low event hockey being more successful.
 

PROUD PAPA

Registered User
Sep 20, 2021
2,764
3,127
Agreed. It is a valid question. While I love the idea of a harder north south game that is proven to be more effective in the playoffs, I wondered how it would play out with this group. I honestly think we're on the right track, including having a pretty competent larger D-Core capable of supporting it (and better goaltending helps alot). I wondered if it would stunt Matty's goal totals, which remains to be seen, although Willy and JT seem to be still getting theirs. I definitely think it affects a guy like Roberston more, who is a bit more free-wheeling and not the typical "dump and go get it" guy (although he has been decent at that).

At the end of the day in a tight low scoring playoff game, you only hope everyone keeps their D tight and we make less mistakes than the other guys, and even if totals are down, top talent gets that one or 2 plays that make a difference.
Even if it doesn’t work this year with this group and least Tre will see who isn’t on board and try and swap them out.
 

Ad

Upcoming events

Ad

Ad