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Off Season Thread 2025

This is going to be my last post on here until a week before the draft. I need a mental health break from this team. I'll leave with 5 thoughts.

1. I've been on this forum since 2009. I've argued and agreed and discussed with so many of your fantastic people over those years. I've argued for a rebuild for a very long time. I know not everyone agrees with my approach in my belief that everything is an asset and sports are cyclical. And despite us disagreeing at times, I truly believe at least 90% of you would make better NHL staff than what the Predators currently have. The hockey IQ and knowledge on this forum is the best online for Preds hockey.

2. Barring a true miracle, I believe the Predators are 4-5 years away from making the playoffs. Not just competing, I mean making the playoffs. You have Colorado and Dallas who are in their prime and not going away. Winnipeg is at least a good regular season team, though I believe St Louis and Utah are going to beat them out for a playoff spot in the next two years. Minnesota is entering their window now with their young core. There is no room with this aging core for Nashville. When the Preds made the cup final, all of the core was under 30. Most were under 28. Age, our division, and where we are in the cycle tells me we are in a few rough seasons.

Trotz talked about threading a needle yesterday. I want to address that. There are a few examples of teams being able to do that with an aging core and a group of youngsters. Washington this session is a good example. The thing is Washington's AHL pipeline in Hershey has been the envy of the league. If anything, Trotz has admitted that our youngsters aren't good enough moving on from Fabbro, Tomasino etc.

But threading a needle is hard, that's why a lot of teams don't do it or don't succeed in doing it. Washington also bought low on underperforming vets that fit well in the system like Chychrun, Mangiapane, Thompson, Dubois. We did not do any of that and historically we haven't. Instead, we brought in a roster full of players that do not match the style the coach wants to play and then blame the players for not rising to the occasion. Luke Schenn should not be asked to play a high tempo, pinching game.

Washington also brought in younger guys than we did.

3. I'm disgusted by what I heard yesterday at Trotz conference. Trotz blaming the players for being starstruck and not buying in tells you everything you need to know. We are trying to find excuses because it can't be the coach or the roster decisions. It's the buy in. Just like the fans need to have patience and buy in.

4. Here's a hurtful truth: the Carolina hurricanes over the last 8 years have won as many playoff series as we have had in our entire franchise history. The same people that have been here are still here. Trotz can talk about serial winners all he wants but we have been serial losers. Heck since Vegas' inception they have more series wins than we do in our entire history. It's not good enough. And yet, the same people have been in charge this entire time.

5. I want a Stanley Cup in Nashville more than almost anything else. I want it for you all here. I want it for my parents and for my family. I'll eventually come back to being excited about hockey in Nashville but right now I have no faith and no hope in this team. They have consistently made the wrong choices since the Cup run and I need a break.
 
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I suspect one of the many things Trotz hasn't figured out yet is... in order to sign UFA players you need to actually have some good UFA players on the market? AND you need an attractive team for them to sign with.

In case he hasn't looked, the UFA list is looking very thin, and on top of that, with the rising Cap many teams have ample Cap space. So to me, the UFA market is probably the WORST option it has ever been. There aren't going to be quality bargains, there is barely quality at all, and there definitely won't be many bargains. You always had to pay some premium, but now that premium may be through the roof given how many teams have Cap space. It's just not a buyer's market at all. The odds are very good if he spends money on the UFA market the way it is going to play out in 2025, it's going to be a very very bad investment. He'll have to pay too much, give too much term, to mediocre players who will essentially just continue to block our ability to develop talent from within. This has not always been the case with past UFA markets. So I have generally been a proponent of "threading the needle", because I thought a smart GM had a little more leeway to do it successfully - it was more putting a tow cable through your tow hooks, not threading a needle.

Then the second complication is that now... our team sucks. Good players who want to win Stanley Cups won't want to come here. The tax break only takes you so far. And may not attract the kind of player that wants to win? Signing guys who are just coming to a nice retirement home with a good payday, tax break, and summers off, that's not the best way to build a successful franchise. Again, adding more of those kinds of players is just filling the Cap and blocking the development of internal options.
 
So if we keep Lauzon and trotz somehow finds a vet RHD to play with Josi like he wants, then next year's starting d lineup looks something like

Josi Vet RHD
Skjei Blankenburg
Lauzon Wilsby/Stastney/Barron
Oesterle Englund

Trotz "need young dmen to step up"

Also Trotz "the coach really loves him some vets so I'm gonna cram the group so full of veterans and tweeners so there is no realistic room for the young players to step in."
 
So if we keep Lauzon and trotz somehow finds a vet RHD to play with Josi like he wants, then next year's starting d lineup looks something like

Josi Vet RHD
Skjei Blankenburg
Lauzon Wilsby/Stastney/Barron
Oesterle Englund

Trotz "need young dmen to step up"

Also Trotz "the coach really loves him some vets so I'm gonna cram the group so full of veterans and tweeners so there is no realistic room for the young players to step in."
This guy has no freaking clue what he is doing. If I were trying to intentionally run this franchise into the ground, I'm not sure I would have done anything differently than what Trotz has done to date.

Each of Wilsby, Stastney and Barron should be in the lineup ahead of Lauzon, Oesterle, and Englund (and Blankenburg, for that matter). We only need to keep ONE of Lauzon or Englund to provide some grit, not both. They are mediocre overall players.
 
Haven't done one of these lately...

Mix and match the top-6 forwards as you like, at least I hope that Evangelista stepping up down the stretch locks him into the top-6. Then the 4th line is some mixed bag of kids plus some veteran "identity" UFA signing. With Wiesblatt possibly as an "identity" spare who the organization seems to like.

Now that Englund is signed, the D is sort of full? Oesterle could still be in the mix as well, but I'm hoping either he or Englund are waived to the minors instead of Wilsby or Stastney. Although nothing would shock me. I dread the Lauzon extension.

I mean, there's $15M in Cap space there even with the dead Cap numbers. I just don't know what Trotz can productively do with it. One hopes/assumes Josi is back. Signing the best RD he can find would seem to stand out as a priority, But I don't think that is likely to salvage anything even if he could get one of the best ones to sign here (e.g. Ekblad). Hopefully it doesn't result in Wilsby or Stastney going on waivers. :help:

2025-26 Nashville Predators

Forsberg ($8.5M) - O'Reilly ($4.5M) - Evangelista (RFA ?$2M?)
Bunting ($4.5M) - Stamkos ($8M) - Marchessault ($5.5M)
Smith ($1M) - McCarron ($0.900M) - Sissons ($2.857M)
L'Heureux ($0.8633M) - Svechkov ($0.925M) - UFA
Wiesblatt ($0.775M)

Josi ($9.059M) - Barron ($1.15M)
Skjei ($7M) - Blankenburg ($0.775M)
Lauzon ($2M) - Englund/Oesterle ($0.775M)
Wilsby ($0.775M)
Stastney ($0.825M)

Saros ($7.74M)
Annunen ($0.8375M)

Ekholm retention: $0.250M
Turris Buyout: $2M
Duchene Buyout: $6.5556M

TOTAL: $80.06243M
2025-26 NHL Cap: $95.5M
REMAINING CAP SPACE: $15.43757M
 
Haven't done one of these lately...

Mix and match the top-6 forwards as you like, at least I hope that Evangelista stepping up down the stretch locks him into the top-6. Then the 4th line is some mixed bag of kids plus some veteran "identity" UFA signing. With Wiesblatt possibly as an "identity" spare who the organization seems to like.

Now that Englund is signed, the D is sort of full? Oesterle could still be in the mix as well, but I'm hoping either he or Englund are waived to the minors instead of Wilsby or Stastney. Although nothing would shock me. I dread the Lauzon extension.

I mean, there's $15M in Cap space there even with the dead Cap numbers. I just don't know what Trotz can productively do with it. One hopes/assumes Josi is back. Signing the best RD he can find would seem to stand out as a priority, But I don't think that is likely to salvage anything even if he could get one of the best ones to sign here (e.g. Ekblad). Hopefully it doesn't result in Wilsby or Stastney going on waivers. :help:

2025-26 Nashville Predators

Forsberg ($8.5M) - O'Reilly ($4.5M) - Evangelista (RFA ?$2M?)
Bunting ($4.5M) - Stamkos ($8M) - Marchessault ($5.5M)
Smith ($1M) - McCarron ($0.900M) - Sissons ($2.857M)
L'Heureux ($0.8633M) - Svechkov ($0.925M) - UFA
Wiesblatt ($0.775M)

Josi ($9.059M) - Barron ($1.15M)
Skjei ($7M) - Blankenburg ($0.775M)
Lauzon ($2M) - Englund/Oesterle ($0.775M)
Wilsby ($0.775M)
Stastney ($0.825M)

Saros ($7.74M)
Annunen ($0.8375M)

Ekholm retention: $0.250M
Turris Buyout: $2M
Duchene Buyout: $6.5556M

TOTAL: $80.06243M
2025-26 NHL Cap: $95.5M
REMAINING CAP SPACE: $15.43757M
Trotz is probably gonna try and get someone like Nelson/Bennett and Ceci so we end up with something like

Forsberg RoR Marchy
Bunting Bennett Stamkos
Smith McCarron Sissons
L’Heureux svechkov Evangelista

Josi Ceci
Skjei Blankenburg
Lauzon englund

Extras
Wilsby (waived ahl), stastney (waived ahl), barron (pressbox), Oesterle (pressbox)

Sorry to be a downer but Trotz' words and keeping Bruno have made my view of the franchise direction very negative
 
The fact is all the personnel movements in the world won't change the outcome if we have the same dumbdick coach. Im so disgusted after yesterday I'm ready to just give up on hockey kind of like I did baseball after the Reds decided to suck for a extended periods of time
After that Trotz interview and that joke of a draft lottery my interest in this team is as low as has ever been. Still enjoy reading this board though so there's that. ;)
 
Trotz is GM. Brunette is Head Coach. Trotz acquires players. Brunette uses players. The players Trotz acquires do not match Brunette’s usage. Brunette is Trotz’s coach. How can they be best buddies and so out of sync?
 
Trotz is GM. Brunette is Head Coach. Trotz acquires players. Brunette uses players. The players Trotz acquires do not match Brunette’s usage. Brunette is Trotz’s coach. How can they be best buddies and so out of sync?
Cause I think Trotz thinks too much like a coach. He looks at that roster and thinks he could win with it. Sad reality is he probably could, Brunette can't unless he stumbles into a lucky run.
 
Trotz is GM. Brunette is Head Coach. Trotz acquires players. Brunette uses players. The players Trotz acquires do not match Brunette’s usage. Brunette is Trotz’s coach. How can they be best buddies and so out of sync?
I can't find the picture but I'm remembering a joke cartoon from my childhood. There was a 4 legged animal but each end of the animal had a neck and a head and one head was looking at the other saying, "One of us is an asshole"
 
Cause I think Trotz thinks too much like a coach. He looks at that roster and thinks he could win with it. Sad reality is he probably could, Brunette can't unless he stumbles into a lucky run.
Trotz was fired as a coach here because he wasn’t getting the job done. According to Poile , it was time , I recall. What did Poile mean? Probably that the NHL had changed. Gone were the games where you roughed em up, beat em up, held em scoreless and got a tie. Old, old hockey. Trotz was brought up in a game that doesn’t exsist.
 
Haven't done one of these lately...

Mix and match the top-6 forwards as you like, at least I hope that Evangelista stepping up down the stretch locks him into the top-6. Then the 4th line is some mixed bag of kids plus some veteran "identity" UFA signing. With Wiesblatt possibly as an "identity" spare who the organization seems to like.

Now that Englund is signed, the D is sort of full? Oesterle could still be in the mix as well, but I'm hoping either he or Englund are waived to the minors instead of Wilsby or Stastney. Although nothing would shock me. I dread the Lauzon extension.

I mean, there's $15M in Cap space there even with the dead Cap numbers. I just don't know what Trotz can productively do with it. One hopes/assumes Josi is back. Signing the best RD he can find would seem to stand out as a priority, But I don't think that is likely to salvage anything even if he could get one of the best ones to sign here (e.g. Ekblad). Hopefully it doesn't result in Wilsby or Stastney going on waivers. :help:

2025-26 Nashville Predators

Forsberg ($8.5M) - O'Reilly ($4.5M) - Evangelista (RFA ?$2M?)
Bunting ($4.5M) - Stamkos ($8M) - Marchessault ($5.5M)
Smith ($1M) - McCarron ($0.900M) - Sissons ($2.857M)
L'Heureux ($0.8633M) - Svechkov ($0.925M) - UFA
Wiesblatt ($0.775M)

Josi ($9.059M) - Barron ($1.15M)
Skjei ($7M) - Blankenburg ($0.775M)
Lauzon ($2M) - Englund/Oesterle ($0.775M)
Wilsby ($0.775M)
Stastney ($0.825M)

Saros ($7.74M)
Annunen ($0.8375M)

Ekholm retention: $0.250M
Turris Buyout: $2M
Duchene Buyout: $6.5556M

TOTAL: $80.06243M
2025-26 NHL Cap: $95.5M
REMAINING CAP SPACE: $15.43757M

2085-86 Nashville Predators

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Turris Buyout: $2M


I expect Trotz is going to have big problems this time around signing anybody. I mean he just threw his biggest big-name signing under the bus. And then backed over him again. Who is going to sign on to this sizzle?

Not only that, but I also expect there will be more Askarov situations, players who try to force their way out of Nashville.

And as if that wasn't enough, what would make this flusterduck stop filling 50% of the roster with waiver wire garbage? And rolling it over a few times as the season goes along just as inspiration to the highly paid guys, the cereal winners?
 
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Trotz was fired as a coach here because he wasn’t getting the job done. According to Poile , it was time , I recall. What did Poile mean? Probably that the NHL had changed. Gone were the games where you roughed em up, beat em up, held em scoreless and got a tie. Old, old hockey. Trotz was brought up in a game that doesn’t exsist.
Kind of hard to win that argument when he went on to win a cup just a couple of years later.

I think when Poile said it was time it was simply that it was. Trotz had been here a decade, it was time for him and the organization to do different things. His contract was up so the time was right.

If Trotz was guilty of anything it would have been being too comfortable in his job.
 
Kind of hard to win that argument when he went on to win a cup just a couple of years later.

I think when Poile said it was time it was simply that it was. Trotz had been here a decade, it was time for him and the organization to do different things. His contract was up so the time was right.

If Trotz was guilty of anything it would have been being too comfortable in his job.
Ok, maybe I was a little harsh. Just that Ovechkin, Backstrom, Johannson, Kunetzoff, Wilson, Carlson, Grubauer, Holtby were all there upon Trotz arrival and he had nothing to do with their arrival. But he did lead them to become a team. Once. Before that year and after? He is highly regarded as a quality person and I admire him. But as a coach/GM just so/so.(so far as a GM; we’ll see.)
 
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Ok, maybe I was a little harsh. Just that Ovechkin, Backstrom, Johannson, Kunetzoff, Wilson, Carlson, Grubauer, Holtby were all there upon Trotz arrival and he had nothing to do with their arrival. But he did lead them to become a team. Once. Before that year and after? He is highly regarded as a quality person and I admire him. But as a coach/GM just so/so.(so far as a GM; we’ll see.)
I mean there was no after, he won the Cup with Washington and then they didn't renew his contract and he went to the Isles. Everyone tried to say they won because of one of the assistant coaches, they made him the head coach the next season and the Caps fell apart, not even sure he last two years.

Trotz did wonders with the Isles until the roster just got so bad he couldn't really do anything with it.

Coaching wise I'm not going to take much away from him. Yeah I think he won that Cup because Ovie and those guys decided they really wanted it, but you can't take away from the fact he did something no other coach in Washington's history has done.
 
I mean there was no after, he won the Cup with Washington and then they didn't renew his contract and he went to the Isles. Everyone tried to say they won because of one of the assistant coaches, they made him the head coach the next season and the Caps fell apart, not even sure he last two years.

Trotz did wonders with the Isles until the roster just got so bad he couldn't really do anything with it.

Coaching wise I'm not going to take much away from him. Yeah I think he won that Cup because Ovie and those guys decided they really wanted it, but you can't take away from the fact he did something no other coach in Washington's history has done.
Ovie's brilliance shouldn't detract from Trotz's accomplishments as coach. I've yet to see a coach win Cup without some great players.
 
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Ovie's brilliance shouldn't detract from Trotz's accomplishments as coach. I've yet to see a coach win Cup without some great players.
Sure but Ovie was a different guy that year, and those guys played for him and followed along. If Ovie doesn't flip that switch all the coaching in the world doesn't win that cup.
 
And wasn't Trotz going to be let go after the season?
Then they won the Cup so they offered him an extension but he turned it down?
I believe Trotz had an option year, which he turned down because it was for like $1 million. If I remember correctly Hynes was making 3 or 4 million and hadn't done squat. The basically told him to take the option or leave.
 
Thinking about next year and specifically the teams that are going to be in the McKenna running.

San Jose and Chicago, obviously will be there.

Pittsburgh could blow it up during the summer and could be there. Philadelphia and Seattle are wild cards but I don't envision them being a very good teams next year. Bruins fell off the hard this year but with a different coach and a healthy lineup, they will at least be a bubble team.

But that's about it.

For the teams that are making the transition from a lottery team into a playoff one, Montreal, Detroit, Columbus, Anaheim, Buffalo and Utah first come to mind. Rangers hired Sullivan so you know they won't be tanking next year. Islanders had a bad year and won the lottery but I don't think they're going to fall off, either. Who knows about Vancouver.

In summary, there are only about 4-5 teams that you can see already that are going to be in the McKenna running. That's not a lot. So if we're dead-set on keeping Brunette and tanking for a high pick next year, I won't complain too hard.
 

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