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So you're thinking and hoping that hagens or the other 2 centers after him are better than him? I hope you're right. I think pettersson next to forsberg would be really nice to watch
 
GeauxPreds1 said:
So you're thinking and hoping that hagens or the other 2 centers after him are better than him? I hope you're right. I think pettersson next to forsberg would be really nice to watch
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The season Pettersson just had is certainly something to worry about. The rumors of the rift with Miller. I don't know, the idea seems to be that Pettersson is just a little soft/uncompetitive by nature, so I worry about him having too good a time in the Country Club?

Anyway, I do hope that whoever we draft can be a decent 60-pt #2C at least. Who we won't have to pay $11.6M to for a while. I'd still take Pettersson, mind you, just as more of a gamble than a sure bet... at that salary coming off a horrible season, I'm not paying a premium package to acquire him, same as others are saying. If he doesn't come at a discount, then fine, Vancouver is welcome to keep him.

I guess the original suggestion was with retention, and right away that makes my eyes light up... because as soon as a team starts offering retention on a long-term deal, it tells me they are pretty highly motivated to move the player. In which case, I'm more than happy to pay the full salary instead, but knowing how eager they must be to move the player, I'm not giving them the top-5 draft pick as part of it.
 
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jumb0 said:
Hard no. Not giving up a top 5 pick. If they want to work something with the late firsts, sure.
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Yeah that would be a significantly higher return than any other of the blockbuster trades of recent years. Based on the fact they are virtually never moved a top five pick is among the most valuable assets in the league.
 
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Yeah that would be a significantly higher return than any other of the blockbuster trades of recent years. Based on the fact they are virtually never moved a top five pick is among the most valuable assets in the league.
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I think J.T. Miller is objectively a better player than Pettersson. Albeit older. But al-albeit on a shorter/cheaper remaining contract too. And what did Miller return? Struggling/injury-prone younger player in Chytil, who the Canucks hope will have upside, but who might also wash out. Mancini, sort of a bigger version of our guys like Wilsby/Stastney. And a conditional 1st... which was top-13 protected, so with the Rangers currently picking 11th is going to slide to 2026, and presumably end up being lower once the Rangers get their house in order.

That's the kind of deal I'd offer for Pettersson. No idea why the Canucks would do that, sure, it seems like they already made a decision between Pettersson and Miller and have committed to moving forward with Pettersson? So I don't look at it as something the Canucks would be remotely inclined to consider. They need to find the right players around Pettersson to at least rehabilitate his market value. It would be foolish to trade him right now at his absolute low point afaic. :dunno:
 
The reason there is even talk about Vancouver moving Pettersson is he hasn't lived up to the hype but has noticeably struggled and regressed. He's dealt with some injuries, so we're told, so those would factor in as well. But he hasn't been consistent on the ice at all. There are questions about his ability to motivate himself, let alone be a driving force and leader for a team.

Vancouver isn't thinking about giving up on him because he has the potential to be a #1C. He has that. They have been thinking of moving on from him because he too often plays like a weak #2C or a #3C, which is not what they are paying him to be.

If Trotz hated Novak so much that he was willing to throw in another player as a loss leader in a deal just to get rid of him, I can't imagine how frustrated he would be to have another player with a higher potential ceiling and a much higher contract come in and play a similar game.

He might throw in Saros for a 5th round pick in the 2039 draft just to get rid of him.
 
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jumb0 said:
Hard no. Not giving up a top 5 pick. If they want to work something with the late firsts, sure.
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Yeah, I agree. My biggest armchair GM change is an actual commitment to this rebuild. Not giving away top future assets for a single good player who will be gone in a couple years. We already have a good vet presence. We need the young talent (and the ice time) around them.
 
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Three sides to Petersson trade idea.

Do I want to give up a potential 1C who's 18 years old and is somewhat cost controlled for a guy who's 26 year old proven 1C coming off an "interesting" year to say the least.

Flip side is, any time a top 3 forward appears on the market, you have to go for it because these guys don't come on the market often and can change the trajectory of a franchise. We've seen it with Stone, Eichel and Tkachuk and we know what the price tag is and the team moving these players didn't fare for the better when they did move them.

The third part is, none of the three guys moved above were moved for top 5 pick in an upcoming draft, it was always a package of sorts and if there were 1sts involved, it certainly wasn't known they'd be top 5.

I think you have to wait and see where the balls drop and which pick you're getting in the top 5 and then decide. If it's top 3, I'd say no, especially if you think Misa is going to be on the board. If it's top 5, I might be more inclined to move the pick. I also might wait until the day of the draft or even at the time we'd be selecting at 5 to make that decision.

No matter what happens, Trotz will inevitably make the wrong choice.
 
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Vancouver shopped Petterson 1st because they valued Miller more and had to shift to Miller because of the rift
 
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I suspect Legwand would have been much better if he had been able to start his career with Stamkos and Marchessault as linemates and wasn't playing for a coach who knew his team had to keep games low scoring and obsessed over defensive responsibility for forwards
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So... who we getting that's gonna get that opportunity....
 
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Tolvanen was stupid Poile just like Fabbro was stupid Trotz. No defending either of those moves, even if you could make the case that we would have moved on from Tolvanen eventually.

Nobody saw Olivier becoming a decent scorer. And Sherwood may or may not be a flash in the pan(Jankowski too for that matter)

Trenin is a lot like Carrier, decent but probably not worth his cap hit and his spot is better filled with L'Heureux anyway.

So of the 4 listed, one stupid move and two "well that's hockey" kind like when Peverley unexpectedly blossomed and one (Trenin) that I'm actually glad we made and got a 3rd for.
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Peverley outscored the Admirals "prospects" for 2.5 years before Nashville signed him. I don't know another NHL team that pisses away talent to the degree that the Preds do.

That is why your season is over and the Ads have at least 3 playoff games coming. They utilize their talent better.
 
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After all the money, tears and planting our butts in seats to save this team, our so called GM has just destroyed all of it in one season. We will be the new AZ, where castoff contracts go to prop up the salary floor. Where opposing fans will out number us regularly making it feel like a home game for the visiting team. Where we draft to supply other teams with young players while we take their over the hill washed up crap. I am heart broken. :cry:
 
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My family and I went down to no tickets. And honestly it may be time for me to focus elsewhere. That means no subscription to FanDuel. That means no jerseys or other items. Probably less posting here.

This franchise is too depressingly predictable. That press conference yesterday by Trotz was pathetic.
 
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