Boston Bruins Off Season Roster/ Cap Discussion IV

[quietbruinfan]

For some reason Sportsnet 650 has been talking about Zacha multiple times a week here in Vancouver.

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I could post more of them but basically Satiar Shah seems to think the Canucks would need to part with the 15th Overall for Zacha. This is a daily conversation here now.

Let it be true. That is absolute robbery by the Bruins.

 

[NDiesel]

You are right about Peeke's turnovers in comparison to the rest of the team. Excluding Hampus (lets call it the Monty factor), Peeke, Carlo, Wotherspoon and Lohrei were tops in giveaways per minute for Bruins D and essentially equal (0.069 for all 4) among the D-men, which I think the eye-test agrees with.

Zadorov and McAvoy were the best (0.062 and 0.061) but a far cry from say Florida where only Schmidt (0.067) and Mikkola (0.065) were worse than those two. Their leader was Forsling at a much lower (0.039).

They need better puck-movement from the D and they need their forward group to support them better getting available for break-outs.

The whole backend seemed to struggle to hit the stick on the breakout last year...ironically they kind of missed the whipping boy's (Gryz) skillset back there. Not sure if it's mostly a personnel issue or a system issue

 

[BruinDust]

The whole backend seemed to struggle to hit the stick on the breakout last year...ironically they kind of missed the whipping boy's (Gryz) skillset back there. Not sure if it's mostly a personnel issue or a system issue

It's really a combination of a lot of things. Forward group lacking speed to separate from defenders and get open for those passes. D-men as a group not being terribly great with the puck, and I think there is some system issue there, Hampus having a lot more turnovers per minute than everyone else and he didn't play under Sacco at all, only Monty.

 

[PlayMakers]

The whole backend seemed to struggle to hit the stick on the breakout last year...ironically they kind of missed the whipping boy's (Gryz) skillset back there. Not sure if it's mostly a personnel issue or a system issue

It wasn't just the defense. I remember being surprised to see this team unable to complete passes through the neutral zone all through October and November. What NHL team can't execute simple passes? It was shocking, and the biggest sign that their training camp was a clown show.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

It wasn't just the defense. I remember being surprised to see this team unable to complete passes through the neutral zone all through October and November. What NHL team can't execute simple passes? It was shocking, and the biggest sign that their training camp was a clown show.

Out of shape. Too many European weddings, Instagram accounts, and golden retrievers. Need more guys who couldn't keep a cactus alive.

 

[Bruin4]

Also, most fans and media think the 15th overall for Vancouver is as good as gone to trade for a forward to get help and convince Quinn to stay.

Pair that with the daily Zacha talk and what do people think about moving on from Zacha for the 15th overall?

Id do it in a New York minute, then go out and sign Marner!

 

[Hookslide]

Id do it in a New York minute, then go out and sign Marner!

Trading Zacha for a 15th is stupid, Marner is going out west anyways, but should be able to sign him, I would want to keep Zacha, is contract alone is what you need to get even more help with Marner.

 

[Bruin4]

Trading Zacha for a 15th is stupid, Marner is going out west anyways, but should be able to sign him, I would want to keep Zacha, is contract alone is what you need to get even more help with Marner.

Maybe. lol

I like the cap space it gives and the options it creates and by moving him helps brings in Marner or even ehlers and gives the Bruins another first in the process id do it.

 

[Patdud]

For some reason Sportsnet 650 has been talking about Zacha multiple times a week here in Vancouver.

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Dan Riccio and Sat Shah have you covered with the most comprehensive Canucks show on the air. The only real choice for the die-hard Canucks fan and the home for Post Game reaction and analysis after every Canucks game.

www.sportsnet.ca

I could post more of them but basically Satiar Shah seems to think the Canucks would need to part with the 15th Overall for Zacha. This is a daily conversation here now.

Imagine effectively turning Erik haula into a top 15 pick

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

Imagine effectively turning Erik haula into a top 15 pick

Imagine effectively turning Erik Haula into a top 6 pick

 

[Hookslide]

Maybe. lol

I like the cap space it gives and the options it creates and by moving him helps brings in Marner or even ehlers and gives the Bruins another first in the process id do it.

Respectfully disagree, Ehlers will cost more than Zacha, you will need to wait as another draft pick ferments and signing Marner make zero sense if you are waiting for that to happen. I might add that the Bruins should be looking for a defenseman, maybe two especially with uncertainty of Hamus Lindholm. So many in this town miss the boat on the value of Zacha.

 

[Bruin4]

Respectfully disagree, Ehlers will cost more than Zacha, you will need to wait as another draft pick ferments and signing Marner make zero sense if you are waiting for that to happen. I might add that the Bruins should be looking for a defenseman, maybe two especially with uncertainty of Hamus Lindholm. So many in this town miss the boat on the value of Zacha.

So hypothetically thinking you wouldn't trade Zacha for Ehlers and a first or Zacha for Marner and a first ?

Im just looking at the options that it gives you. I like Zacha, but if by dealing him helps the Bruins sign a Ehlers or a Marner and you get a first to boot, to explore other options I'm doing it.

I don't like this roster staying put. Who's going to score goals ? they need more offensive guys who can create and score imo. So if trading away Zacha, and losing his cap hit helps bring in a player who brings that with him and your also going to add another asset with a first round pick, you do it.

 

[PB37]

Fair enough. I just hate his playoff play, performances and results. He would make a great Carolina Hurricane.

1 goal in 25 games is embarrassing given who he has played with and the minutes he gets. I'm ready to move on and hopefully package him for another top six.

Kind of hard to convince a team to give up the 15th overall for Zacha, let alone be the selling point that convinces Quinn to stick around.

 

[Hookslide]

So hypothetically thinking you wouldn't trade Zacha for Ehlers and a first or Zacha for Marner and a first ?

Im just looking at the options that it gives you. I like Zacha, but if by dealing him helps the Bruins sign a Ehlers or a Marner and you get a first to boot, to explore other options I'm doing it.

I don't like this roster staying put. Who's going to score goals ? they need more offensive guys who can create and score imo. So if trading away Zacha, and losing his cap hit helps bring in a player who brings that with him and your also going to add another asset with a first round pick, you do it.

Why do you think Ehlers, is the answer, he is no more productive than Zacha, a little bit older and will cost you more money, I know everyone falls in love with his speed, but Zacha is not slow, and he is more physical, and plays center. I have banging, the drums about Swayman and Lindholm contracts how they effect filling out the rest of the roster adding Ehlers does not improve you cap flexibility. I know you used the word "hypothetical" but I think it should not have been used because we were not talking trades.

 

[Sheppy]

The more this post season goes on, the more I think Marchand will re-sign in Florida.

 

[DiggityDog]

So hypothetically thinking you wouldn't trade Zacha for Ehlers and a first or Zacha for Marner and a first ?

Im just looking at the options that it gives you. I like Zacha, but if by dealing him helps the Bruins sign a Ehlers or a Marner and you get a first to boot, to explore other options I'm doing it.

I don't like this roster staying put. Who's going to score goals ? they need more offensive guys who can create and score imo. So if trading away Zacha, and losing his cap hit helps bring in a player who brings that with him and your also going to add another asset with a first round pick, you do it.

I think you need to take Zacha’s cap hit into account. I’m not opposed to trading him, even though I like him quite a bit, I would just need the value to be there.

Hypothetically you trade Zacha to Vancouver for the 15th. You are suggesting this will open up more space to pursue an Ehlers or Marner.

Is Ehlers such a drastic upgrade over Zacha, that you would trade his favorable cap figure for a pick, then sign the former to nearly double his cap figure? Simply put is Ehlers $3-4 million better than what Zacha is giving you right now? Personally, as someone who has advocated for Ehlers, I would say no.

Marner is a completely different situation though. He is obviously a much better player than Zacha, I wouldn’t begin to pretend otherwise, and yet I wonder is he worth triple Zacha’s cap hit? That’s is likely what it would cost to bring him here, something I highly doubt would happen.

If I am trading Zacha, I am doing so in a nice package for a higher end top six piece. Otherwise I’m keeping him at his cap figure, the value needs to be there

 

[Bruin4]

Why do you think Ehlers, is the answer, he is no more productive than Zacha, a little bit older and will cost you more money, I know everyone falls in love with his speed, but Zacha is not slow, and he is more physical, and plays center. I have banging, the drums about Swayman and Lindholm contracts how they effect filling out the rest of the roster adding Ehlers does not improve you cap flexibility. I know you used the word "hypothetical" but I think it should not have been used because we were not talking trades.

I guess we'll just agree to disagree on this one.

Ehlers alone isn't the answer, but he's one hell of a two-way player who can put the puck in the net and he's better than Zacha imo and then you add that elemant of the nucks first round pick, maybe a McQeen or a Bear. I do it yesterday and obviously Id rather have Marner on board, he'd be the the big fish your going for by shedding salary and adding assets at the same time. Win/Win

 

[kdog82]

I don't believe that Zacha would fetch the 15th OA pick. If this is true than the deal should've been made without thinking twice.

 

[22Brad Park]

A free agent that interests me is Logan Mallioux of habs.He definitely has top 4 potential and puts up pts .His is young and can grow with the group Bruins start assembling.Never mind this idea it's moot lol Not even RFA till 2026..nice thought though.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

A free agent that interests me is Logan Mallioux of habs.He definitely has top 4 potential and puts up pts .His is young and can grow with the group Bruins start assembling.

He's signed through next year and isn't UFA until 2030?

 

[22Brad Park]

He's signed through next year and isn't UFA until 2030?

Thought I read an article today that had him listed.O well.Yea it's on Athletic I went back and checked, Ithas him 2026 RFA my bad.

 

[Thomas 11]

Does Lohrei + Lysel + 3rd pick bring Garland?

Terrible trade proposal. Not a chance from the Bruins side. What’s with the Garland infatuation lately on this site????

 

[Hookslide]

I guess we'll just agree to disagree on this one.

Ehlers alone isn't the answer, but he's one hell of a two-way player who can put the puck in the net and he's better than Zacha imo and then you add that elemant of the nucks first round pick, maybe a McQeen or a Bear. I do it yesterday and obviously Id rather have Marner on board, he'd be the the big fish your going for by shedding salary and adding assets at the same time. Win/Win

Agree or disagree, that is what makes the world go round.

 

[PlayMakers]

The more this post season goes on, the more I think Marchand will re-sign in Florida.

I don't think they can afford him. At least, not without letting one of Ekblad or Bennett walk. They can sign both of those guys (Ek and Bennett) and fill in the rest of their roster with rookies and league minimum guys.

 

[Hookslide]

I think you need to take Zacha’s cap hit into account. I’m not opposed to trading him, even though I like him quite a bit, I would just need the value to be there.

Hypothetically you trade Zacha to Vancouver for the 15th. You are suggesting this will open up more space to pursue an Ehlers or Marner.

Is Ehlers such a drastic upgrade over Zacha, that you would trade his favorable cap figure for a pick, then sign the former to nearly double his cap figure? Simply put is Ehlers $3-4 million better than what Zacha is giving you right now? Personally, as someone who has advocated for Ehlers, I would say no.

Marner is a completely different situation though. He is obviously a much better player than Zacha, I wouldn’t begin to pretend otherwise, and yet I wonder is he worth triple Zacha’s cap hit? That’s is likely what it would cost to bring him here, something I highly doubt would happen.

If I am trading Zacha, I am doing so in a nice package for a higher end top six piece. Otherwise I’m keeping him at his cap figure, the value needs to be there

I think that is what I was saying, but you said it better.