Boston Bruins Off Season Roster/ Cap Discussion IV

[BruinDust]

Personally I can’t wait for Peeke to be gone. He has absurdly high turnover numbers this past year for a guy who never has the puck on his stick. Even before he took on a bigger role due to injury they were high.

On a give-away-per-minute basis Hampus Lindholm (0.0848) blew Peeke (0.0693) out of the water. The only caveat there is all of Hampus's minutes are under Monty.

The entire D struggled with giveaways when compared to other teams.

As most things last year, I blame the forwards. Hard to make clean break-out passes when forwards are too slow or don't read the game well enough to get to open space.

 

[BruinsJoe]

Lohrei needs to be sheltered on the 3rd pair with a sound defensive guy ( Joker would be my choice ). Give him 1st unit PP and I think he'll be fine next year.

Lindholm -- McAvoy

Zadorov -- UFA

Lohrei -- Joker

Providence callup -- Cheap UFA Veteran

Softer duo of every hockey league in this world

 

[pucksindeep92]

As most things last year, I blame the forwards. Hard to make clean break-out passes when forwards are too slow or don't read the game well enough to get to open space.

Something I sorely missed and I know the d core did as well last year was Taylor Hall entries. Return of Charlie and Lindholm will help exits at least, but I hope whatever top 6 forward(s) we bring in can help get us over the other blue line and stay there. Can’t put it in the net if you aren’t in the o-zone. and If you cant get there as often, you’re giving Sway unneeded attention. This is why Peeke is the whipping boy.

Fwiw, I think Lysell and Marat could inject a little bit of there where/if they are inserted. I’d like our bottom 6 to be able to enter more often so Pasta isn’t wasting ice time in the neutral zone.

 

[Carl Hungus]

Florida has Schmidt at 800k and kulikov at 1.15m

would rather see a 3rd pair in that price range

 

[UncleRico]

On a give-away-per-minute basis Hampus Lindholm (0.0848) blew Peeke (0.0693) out of the water. The only caveat there is all of Hampus's minutes are under Monty.

The entire D struggled with giveaways when compared to other teams.

As most things last year, I blame the forwards. Hard to make clean break-out passes when forwards are too slow or don't read the game well enough to get to open space.

Hampus certainly isn’t exempt from his turnover issues.

Hampus also has carries the puck much more than Peeke and brings much more to the table.

The puck is a legitimate grenade on peekes stick. I have no idea if there’s a percentage of touches that result in turnovers stat but I’d assume it would be much closer if not Peeke higher than Hampus.

I cringe everytime I see Peeke with the puck in full anticipation the next player that touches the puck will be the opposing teams player.

 

[BruinDust]

Something I sorely missed and I know the d core did as well last year was Taylor Hall entries. Return of Charlie and Lindholm will help exits at least, but I hope whatever top 6 forward(s) we bring in can help get us over the other blue line and stay there. Can’t put it in the net if you aren’t in the o-zone. and If you cant get there as often, you’re giving Sway unneeded attention. This is why Peeke is the whipping boy.

Fwiw, I think Lysell and Marat could inject a little bit of there where/if they are inserted. I’d like our bottom 6 to be able to enter more often so Pasta isn’t wasting ice time in the neutral zone.

It was a huge issue. I felt it made Lysell noticeable at the end of the season his speed stood out in comparison to many of the other forwards, carrying the puck up ice and gaining the zone.

Debrusk also helped when he was here using his speed to push back the D and gain the zone. That part of his game wasn't replaced last off-season.

 

[BruinDust]

Hampus certainly isn’t exempt from his turnover issues.

Hampus also has carries the puck much more than Peeke and brings much more to the table.

The puck is a legitimate grenade on peekes stick. I have no idea if there’s a percentage of touches that result in turnovers stat but I’d assume it would be much closer if not Peeke higher than Hampus.

I cringe everytime I see Peeke with the puck in full anticipation the next player that touches the puck will be the opposing teams player.

You are right about Peeke's turnovers in comparison to the rest of the team. Excluding Hampus (lets call it the Monty factor), Peeke, Carlo, Wotherspoon and Lohrei were tops in giveaways per minute for Bruins D and essentially equal (0.069 for all 4) among the D-men, which I think the eye-test agrees with.

Zadorov and McAvoy were the best (0.062 and 0.061) but a far cry from say Florida where only Schmidt (0.067) and Mikkola (0.065) were worse than those two. Their leader was Forsling at a much lower (0.039).

They need better puck-movement from the D and they need their forward group to support them better getting available for break-outs.

 

[pucksindeep92]

Florida has Schmidt at 800k and kulikov at 1.15m

would rather see a 3rd pair in that price range

Hard bet those guys don’t replicate this success on another team. There’s some luck in there on those guys at that money too. Floridas system is also an incredibly envious thing.

 

[pucksindeep92]

It was a huge issue. I felt it made Lysell noticeable at the end of the season his speed stood out in comparison to many of the other forwards, carrying the puck up ice and gaining the zone.

Debrusk also helped when he was here using his speed to push back the D and gain the zone. That part of his game wasn't replaced last off-season.

I’m not a fancy stat guy in the sense that I don’t know how/where to generate or find many of them, but I’d love to see how Marchand and Coyles exit and entry numbers were before they left vs the team as a whole after the deadline.

What’s interesting that JDB and Elias had virtually identical p/60 and g/60 last year, with Elias averaging less 5v5 time, but a higher corsi%

 

[Coach Parker]

Someone mentioned in the previous thread about Conor Garland being overrated. This is his average NHL line based on 82 games. This makes him the Bruins second line RW easily at 29. I would move Lohrei for him if he signs an extension. Add his speed and general annoyance factor into those numbers

P	G	A	PTS	+/-	PIM	EVG	PPG
82	21	29	50	3	36	17	4

You'd be hard pressed to find a player who works harder than Garland night in and night out. Tocchet loved the guy.

 

[Coach Parker]

Lohrei needs to be sheltered on the 3rd pair with a sound defensive guy ( Joker would be my choice ). Give him 1st unit PP and I think he'll be fine next year.

Lindholm -- McAvoy

Zadorov -- UFA

Lohrei -- Joker

Providence callup -- Cheap UFA Veteran

Peeke looked good for USA and should get a spot.

Lohrei - Peeke

Is a solid enough third pairing.

 

[Coach Parker]

Maybe a deal around zacha for ep 40. Ep40 contact is terrible but his scoring abilities are far better then zacha . Maybe a fair deal?

For some reason Sportsnet 650 has been talking about Zacha multiple times a week here in Vancouver.

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I could post more of them but basically Satiar Shah seems to think the Canucks would need to part with the 15th Overall for Zacha. This is a daily conversation here now.

 

[JoeIsAStud]

For some reason Sportsnet 650 has been talking about Zacha multiple times a week here in Vancouver.

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I could post more of them but basically Satiar Shah seems to think the Canucks would need to part with the 15th Overall for Zacha. This is a daily conversation here now.

I don't think Sweeney does that. You cant really find someone to replace Zacha for 5 million dollars. And I don't see Sweeney being here when Carter Bear is ready to help impacting wins at the NHL level in 4 years if he deals second line players for futures

 

[Coach Parker]

Also, most fans and media think the 15th overall for Vancouver is as good as gone to trade for a forward to get help and convince Quinn to stay.

Pair that with the daily Zacha talk and what do people think about moving on from Zacha for the 15th overall?

 

[Coach Parker]

I don't think Sweeney does that. You cant really find someone to replace Zacha for 5 million dollars. And I don't see Sweeney being here when Carter Bear is ready to help impacting wins at the NHL level in 4 years if he deals second line players for futures

Could be. I always thought Zacha was part of a Pettersson move more than a trade for the 15th overall but talk around trading Pettersson has gone quiet. Like, Sweeney level of quiet and that's not Alvin and Rutherford's MO.

 

[Coach Parker]

If there was enough retention, I did like the e-mail idea on Pucks With Haggs that a fan put forward to grab Huberdeau. Revenge vs. Florida and he wants to be back east?

Again, looking for one of these reclamation projects.

 

[Lord Ahriman]

Peeke looked good for USA and should get a spot.

Lohrei - Peeke

Is a solid enough third pairing.

Lohrei will need to improve a lot, otherwise, I can't see such a solid defense pair.

 

[Coach Parker]

Lohrei will need to improve a lot, otherwise, I can't see such a solid defense pair.

I'd take it as a 3rd pairing getting 10 minutes a night. Time for McAvoy and Lindholm to eat up a lot of minutes.

 

[Fenian24]

Also, most fans and media think the 15th overall for Vancouver is as good as gone to trade for a forward to get help and convince Quinn to stay.

Pair that with the daily Zacha talk and what do people think about moving on from Zacha for the 15th overall?

Package the 7th and 15th for Eichel

 

[Clint Eastwood]

Also, most fans and media think the 15th overall for Vancouver is as good as gone to trade for a forward to get help and convince Quinn to stay.

Pair that with the daily Zacha talk and what do people think about moving on from Zacha for the 15th overall?

I don't think the player drafted at 15th overall will ever become the player Zacha is or if he is, we'd be very lucky for that to be the case.

If we were sticking our heels in the mud for a full rebuild, I'd consider something along those lines but it's pretty clear that the Bs intend on getting back in the hunt.

 

[bruinmann77]

I will not give up Zacha at this point.

 

[Coach Parker]

I will not give up Zacha at this point.

Fair enough. I just hate his playoff play, performances and results. He would make a great Carolina Hurricane.

1 goal in 25 games is embarrassing given who he has played with and the minutes he gets. I'm ready to move on and hopefully package him for another top six.

 

[pucksindeep92]

If there was enough retention, I did like the e-mail idea on Pucks With Haggs that a fan put forward to grab Huberdeau. Revenge vs. Florida and he wants to be back east?

Again, looking for one of these reclamation projects.

The retained Huberdeau post here the other day has been stuck in my brain. Love a low sell. We’ve had to do them recently, it’s our turn to reap now.

In general, I think with so many of these big fish we’ve discussed whether it’s a reclamation project like Pettersson, or an RFA like Mctavish, we need to strike fast. I don’t like the idea of what the market looks like if Minny swaps Rossi for Peterka or Bennet gets 7x8+ as both have been reported.

 

[Gordoff]

I'm lousy at responding to posts in closed threads but I agree with the following 100%.

@BadBruins "I think Lohrei's horrible 2nd half is giving him a little too much grief here. I'm glad they fed him those minutes (where he was clearly overmatched most nights).

People sometimes forget this was his 2nd year as a pro.... Not forgiving the defensive shortcomings, but only Jake Sanderson had more points from that draft class.... Only four others averaged over 19 minutes from that class. Even for a project late 2nd round pick, he's performing very well up against his peers. Charlie McAvoy and Brandon Carlo development curves are not the norm for most defenseman. I still hold him very highly. Rare package if he can even put it together a little bit."

Of course Lohrei has defensive lapses in his game -- ones that need to be addressed. However, as you suggest a 2nd year (relatively new to position as well) d-man playing too many minutes in way too high a slot. Clearly hit a wall at end of season.

Here's his breakdown on TOI and '+/- (not a great stat but everyone harps on -43 so let's look at it):

77 Game Total - Coaching carousel - season long poor team defense - season long poor goaltending

First 17: 17 Mins TOI Aggregate -5. Not great but not earth shatteringly bad.
Next 17: 18 Mins TOI. Aggregate -9. Not good.
Next 17: 21 Mins TOI. Aggregate -2. Very good. How to step up when injuries crushed us.
Final 20: 21 Mins TOI. Aggregate -27. Fell off a cliff. Tired, overused, slotted way too high, team gutted.

Patience and coaching and this kid will be a stud IMO.

Plus if we writing off players for this woofer of a year, we won't have enough players to fill a roster. Season scked pretty much beginning to end.

I'm glad BadBruins brought this up and you expanded on it and explained it so succinctly, kudos
to you both.
The (what I consider to be over the top) comments really haven't been fair to the player, at all.
He had a rough time of it yes, but he was also doing things that I don't
remember any rookie defenseman for the Bruins ever asked to do.
He spent many nights playing way over his paygrade in terms of duties.
Last season is one that would break most other players in his age group.
I really feel like he needs a lot more one on one coaching and deserves appreciation
for the spot that he was put in. Lesser players at his age have had their careers damaged
by so much put on their shoulders too soon.

 

[Gordoff]

Someone mentioned in the previous thread about Conor Garland being overrated. This is his average NHL line based on 82 games. This makes him the Bruins second line RW easily at 29. I would move Lohrei for him if he signs an extension. Add his speed and general annoyance factor into those numbers

P	G	A	PTS	+/-	PIM	EVG	PPG
82	21	29	50	3	36	17	4

Could've had him and OEL here at a discount for very little but that was poo poooed.