Boston Bruins Off Season Roster/ Cap Discussion IV
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DominicT
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I'm lousy at responding to posts in closed threads but I agree with the following 100%.
@BadBruins "I think Lohrei's horrible 2nd half is giving him a little too much grief here. I'm glad they fed him those minutes (where he was clearly overmatched most nights).
People sometimes forget this was his 2nd year as a pro.... Not forgiving the defensive shortcomings, but only Jake Sanderson had more points from that draft class.... Only four others averaged over 19 minutes from that class. Even for a project late 2nd round pick, he's performing very well up against his peers. Charlie McAvoy and Brandon Carlo development curves are not the norm for most defenseman. I still hold him very highly. Rare package if he can even put it together a little bit."
Of course Lohrei has defensive lapses in his game -- ones that need to be addressed. However, as you suggest a 2nd year (relatively new to position as well) d-man playing too many minutes in way too high a slot. Clearly hit a wall at end of season.
Here's his breakdown on TOI and '+/- (not a great stat but everyone harps on -43 so let's look at it):
77 Game Total - Coaching carousel - season long poor team defense - season long poor goaltending
First 17: 17 Mins TOI Aggregate -5. Not great but not earth shatteringly bad.
Next 17: 18 Mins TOI. Aggregate -9. Not good.
Next 17: 21 Mins TOI. Aggregate -2. Very good. How to step up when injuries crushed us.
Final 20: 21 Mins TOI. Aggregate -27. Fell off a cliff. Tired, overused, slotted way too high, team gutted.
Patience and coaching and this kid will be a stud IMO.
Plus if we writing off players for this woofer of a year, we won't have enough players to fill a roster. Season scked pretty much beginning to end.
@BadBruins "I think Lohrei's horrible 2nd half is giving him a little too much grief here. I'm glad they fed him those minutes (where he was clearly overmatched most nights).
People sometimes forget this was his 2nd year as a pro.... Not forgiving the defensive shortcomings, but only Jake Sanderson had more points from that draft class.... Only four others averaged over 19 minutes from that class. Even for a project late 2nd round pick, he's performing very well up against his peers. Charlie McAvoy and Brandon Carlo development curves are not the norm for most defenseman. I still hold him very highly. Rare package if he can even put it together a little bit."
Of course Lohrei has defensive lapses in his game -- ones that need to be addressed. However, as you suggest a 2nd year (relatively new to position as well) d-man playing too many minutes in way too high a slot. Clearly hit a wall at end of season.
Here's his breakdown on TOI and '+/- (not a great stat but everyone harps on -43 so let's look at it):
77 Game Total - Coaching carousel - season long poor team defense - season long poor goaltending
First 17: 17 Mins TOI Aggregate -5. Not great but not earth shatteringly bad.
Next 17: 18 Mins TOI. Aggregate -9. Not good.
Next 17: 21 Mins TOI. Aggregate -2. Very good. How to step up when injuries crushed us.
Final 20: 21 Mins TOI. Aggregate -27. Fell off a cliff. Tired, overused, slotted way too high, team gutted.
Patience and coaching and this kid will be a stud IMO.
Plus if we writing off players for this woofer of a year, we won't have enough players to fill a roster. Season scked pretty much beginning to end.
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Someone mentioned in the previous thread about Conor Garland being overrated. This is his average NHL line based on 82 games. This makes him the Bruins second line RW easily at 29. I would move Lohrei for him if he signs an extension. Add his speed and general annoyance factor into those numbers
| P | G | A | PTS | +/- | PIM | EVG | PPG |
| 82 | 21 | 29 | 50 | 3 | 36 | 17 | 4 |
Samsonov
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This is excellent. Thanks for doing the work here.
Lohrei needs to be sheltered on the 3rd pair with a sound defensive guy ( Joker would be my choice ). Give him 1st unit PP and I think he'll be fine next year.
Lindholm -- McAvoy
Zadorov -- UFA
Lohrei -- Joker
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He's a middle of the pack 2nd liner. You want to give him an extension. What does that even look like at this point? Are we giving him 5 more years at 30 million? Do I have confidence in him hanging on to being a 50 point player. Do i trust Garland at staying at that level for 6 more years? Personally No.
i tend to believe Lohrei will be close to a 50 point defenseman. He's 5 year younger. He is the only defenseman the Bruins have who has the potential to run a power play. If you deal him you open a massive hole on the team, and no bringing in another defenseman like Lindgren who has no offensive skills does not close that hole, and will cost likely more money the next couple of years
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Hoping he's been shot into the sun. Rather see that UFA there than Peeke there.
And this board has been wrong about Lohrei over and over since he was drafted. Not surprised to see it continue.
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And the board will go wild because we'll be paying too much for a 3rd pair defenseman.
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Lohrei has never impressed me. They cannot afford to have a defenseman they only use on the power play which is the only time I would play Lohrei. I know he has not played D for a long period of time and maybe he will get better but he isn't a young prospect.
-43 is unacceptable on any team at any time. His glaring lack of physical play, for someone his size, is also unacceptable. I think he is a trade chip that will get you something solid unlike Lysell or Mittlestadt.
Sheppy
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I thought Lohrei was a disaster defensively last season but a lot of that probably had to do with him playing with everyone on the back end. I'm willing to see what he does with a consistent playing partner.
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He had a consistent partner. Problem is it was over 600 minutes with Andrew Peeke, up a pair from where he should have been.
KnightofBoston
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and another year of experience, still was only his 2nd season as a pro - and, looking at it with all facts considered, really it was his 1.5 season as pro since he only played 41 games in 23-24
Sheppy
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Listen, I'm not the biggest Peeke guy at the end of the day but I'm not putting the blame of Lohrei's defensive disasters on him.
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I'm not putting all the blame on it either, but putting a rookie offensive minded D with a guy who has no idea where to go and is out of position all the time isn't exactly a recipe for success.
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I liked the Zadorov, Jokiharju pairing. Would be interesting to see how he does with Lorhei though. But definitely agree Lorhei needs to be very sheltered next season at least to start and see what improvements he's made to his game and how the new coaching will help the defense overall.
I'd like to see Peeke moved foa a a mid-late pick and us sign a verteran defenseman on a short deal.
RiverbottomChuck
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Do you see Peeke as having any qualities you'd want as a regular in an NHL dcore?
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He's an ok skater, has a bit of physicality. As a 7th D? Sure, he's certainly more capable than Wotherspoon. But at his number that's not a good idea. He tries hard though.
RiverbottomChuck
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I see something similar to you. He's a guy I want to like and root for but he just seems to Vanilla/mediocre at everything but trying.
quietbruinfan
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I think that description applies to Joki as much as Peeke. You can carry one guy like that, maybe. You definitely should not carry two or more.
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Joki has some good offensive abilities, and his underlyings are actually pretty good, especially factoring who he played for.
