Boston Bruins Off Season Roster/ Cap Discussion III

[WestCoastBruinsFan]

Probably Toronto, looking for a Marner replacement.

 

[Hookslide]

Meh think that's overselling Zacha

My opinion, and that is the one that counts..............I have read yours

 

[Hookslide]

Probably Toronto, looking for a Marner replacement.

good luck to that over payment.

 

[Oates2Neely]

102 point winger free agent age 28 on free agency that rarely happens. Sign.

I didn’t realize Marner was more of a setup guy. He’s only reached 30 goals twice. If I’m GM and allocating 13-14m per for a player I’d aim for a goal scorer not an assist man. Pastrnak & Geekie are the only scorers on this team. 6 players skate in your top-6, you have 2 goal scorers. You need at minimum one more.

 

[Over the volcano]

My opinion, and that is the one that counts..............I have read yours

 

[Absurdity]

Probably Toronto, looking for a Marner replacement.

Definitely, especially if their management team is looking to receive more insight from Berube.

 

[JCRO]

Definitely, especially if their management team is looking to receive more insight from Berube.

Exactly.

Bennett plays the style he wants his team to bring. And frankly, what they’re missing.

I hope they’re the ones to overpay for that tbh.

 

[The Hockey Tonk Man]

After hearing Mougenel speak on some prospects, he expects Poitras to make the Bruins next season. Locmelis will fight for a spot on the roster, and depending on his Summer, Minten could also make the push. He said good things about Lysell, but didn't really give him the same vote of confidence as he did the other three. It wouldn't hurt for Lysell to get first line minutes in the AHL next season if he's not a part of a trade.

Geekie - Lindholm - Pastrnak
Zacha - Mittelstadt - X
Locmelis - Poitras - X
X - X - Kastelic

Bruins at minimum need two top 6 wingers. It would be great to get a middle 6 forward with experience to play on Poitras' RW. Sweeney needs to load up that 2nd line with some good players.

I worry about Poitras health.
Dude seems to get crushed at least once a game on a normal looking hit
Didn’t see him play in the ahl so maybe that helped him figure it out. But should be a serious concern if he hasn’t

 

[The Hockey Tonk Man]

Sweeney should have offered up a better package to the Flames when they gave him away

 

[Mr. Make-Believe]

Sweeney should have offered up a better package to the Flames when they gave him away

Bruins miss out again! Sweeney blows it!

The Flames got a second round pick for a 25 point (at the time) hockey player midway through his sixth season in the NHL.

But Sweeney that BUM! Cheap Bruins!

 

[Alan Ryan]

I agree, although I like both Zacha and Mittelstadt better at center.

I liked what I saw of Khusnutdinov and think he could be an energetic 3LW. He might even break through offensively.

I'd put Minten in the Poitras, Locmelis, Lysell category of they haven't done enough to be considered a top6 guy next year. IMO, if they keep a spot open for a kid in the top6 next year, it has to be because the other two guys are already really strong top6 forwards.

OT: Lately I've really liked the idea of Zacha as the 3c. He's big and fast, he wins draws, he's committed defensively, but his offense is so... hit or miss that I don't love relying on him in a top6 role. As a 3c his offense is a bonus.

Khusnutdinov-Zacha-3RW is the start of a very good 3rd line.

The Bruins have enough options at center. E. Lindholm, Mittelstadt, Zacha and Kastelic are a strong cadre if they choose them.

As you said the larger challenge is finding the best wingmen in the right fit.

 

[wintersej]

Zacha has averages 55 + points per season for 3 years playing multiple positions but developing into a solid C

Sam Bennett & Anton Lundell in a combined 12 seasons have not hit 55 points once

I have no problem with a healthy Elias & Zacha one-two punch the problem is the Bruins are short at least one legit top 6 RW

Ok, but now do the playoff numbers. I just see Zacha as a rich man’s Heinen. Which is good! But he needs to be the teams 5th or 6th best forward.

 

[pucksindeep92]

Did you guys see this proposal by the Skate Pod? I mean I like Fabbro and Cuylle a lot, but they tried to go for a “realistic” mockup and added yet another middle 6 center in Bennet, but kept all of the ones we already have. What a nightmare that would be. At least we’d contend for the lottery again…

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

I didn’t realize Marner was more of a setup guy. He’s only reached 30 goals twice. If I’m GM and allocating 13-14m per for a player I’d aim for a goal scorer not an assist man. Pastrnak & Geekie are the only scorers on this team. 6 players skate in your top-6, you have 2 goal scorers. You need at minimum one more.

He creates offense at an elite level 5v5, which is the rarest commodity in the NHL. You’re not getting a guy who gets to 100 points by scoring 45 goals in free agency.

 

[PlayMakers]

I see him kind of the same way. He's a complimentary guy and does compliment offensive players. Big body, decent shooter, decent at both ends of the ice.

On the 3rd line he's likely having to be the best player on that line and I'm not sure that would be the role I'd want him in.

I see him as a complimentary scorer, because his offense is inconsistent, but I don't see him as a complimentary 3rd liner. I think Zacha is a very industrious player who impacts the game at both ends of the ice. I think he can be the best player on a 3rd line and that line be very good. If he's in a top6 role, I think he has to be the worst player on the line for the line to be very good. Which is going to be hard to do for the Bruins this summer.

 

[PlayMakers]

Zacha has averages 55 + points per season for 3 years playing multiple positions but developing into a solid C

Sam Bennett & Anton Lundell in a combined 12 seasons have not hit 55 points once

I have no problem with a healthy Elias & Zacha one-two punch the problem is the Bruins are short at least one legit top 6 RW

That's a good point about Bennett. The obvious difference there is that Bennett has scored at close to a 30 goal pace in the playoffs (28 goals per 82) these last 3 years while Zacha scores at a 3 goal pace in the playoffs (3 goals per 82).

I also look at it like... If Zacha has scored at a 55 point pace for 3 years playing primarily with Pasta, then it's reasonable to assume his numbers are going to drop without Pasta. And if he drops to a 45 point pace, then that's not really quality 2nd line production.

He's still a terrific player. I like your Coyle comparison. I see that too. He's big, he's strong, he's fast. He's very noticeable at both ends of the ice. He competes, he wins draws. He's a guy I want on my team.

 

[BadBruins]

Ok, but now do the playoff numbers. I just see Zacha as a rich man’s Heinen. Which is good! But he needs to be the teams 5th or 6th best forward.

Exactly.... though I would prefer 6th or 7th. If we're being honest. Big Zacha fan though. I think he's more Peverley or Coyle. Ideally, he's filling gaps when needed. PP/PK. Center/Wing. Top-6/3rd line. No offense to Heinen, but he was more of your common "plug". Zacha is/could be an upper upper echelon utility forward.

 

[PlayMakers]

That's a good example because you'd have one shooter (Geekie) with two complimentary-type of guys (Elias and Zacha). I don't think it would work.

I know you didn't fussy my idea to put Petterson on LW but he's played the position before successfully and if you still have the same group of forwards around it balances out the top 2 lines better.

Geekie - Zacha - Pasta
Petterson - Elias - ???? (maybe add the speed of a Lysell?)

I just feel like getting Petterson and putting him on the wing so Elias can play center is like towing a landscape trailer with a Ferrari.

Pettersson is one of the fastest players in the NHL. I want him in the middle of the ice as much as possible. I also think Pasta with two guys that need Pasta will only work in the regular season. In the playoffs, you cover Pasta and the other two go silent. But if you have Pettersson and Pasta on the same line that's a nightmare to defend. The challenge then becomes building a good second line.

 

[PlayMakers]

Ok, but now do the playoff numbers. I just see Zacha as a rich man’s Heinen. Which is good! But he needs to be the teams 5th or 6th best forward.

That's a great comp, and he gives you that same feeling in the playoffs, like no matter how good the scoring chance, he's going to miss. Still a very good and useful player.

I would say he needs to be the teams 6th or 7th best forward. Either their worst top6 guy, or their best 3rd liner.

 

[BiteThisBurrows]

Probably Toronto, looking for a Marner replacement.

I could see Toronto doing this. I could see them trying to sign Bennett, Marchand and Ekblad instead of Marner and Tavares. Overpay or not, it would in fact give them a more balanced roster.

I don't see Sweeney looking at Bennett after signing Lindholm last year. How much he's willing to pay Geekie is the big question here.

 

[Oates2Neely]

He creates offense at an elite level 5v5, which is the rarest commodity in the NHL. You’re not getting a guy who gets to 100 points by scoring 45 goals in free agency.

How many players making north of 12m don’t score 30 goals regularly? Zero

 

[DKH]

That's a good point about Bennett. The obvious difference there is that Bennett has scored at close to a 30 goal pace in the playoffs (28 goals per 82) these last 3 years while Zacha scores at a 3 goal pace in the playoffs (3 goals per 82).

I also look at it like... If Zacha has scored at a 55 point pace for 3 years playing primarily with Pasta, then it's reasonable to assume his numbers are going to drop without Pasta. And if he drops to a 45 point pace, then that's not really quality 2nd line production.

He's still a terrific player. I like your Coyle comparison. I see that too. He's big, he's strong, he's fast. He's very noticeable at both ends of the ice. He competes, he wins draws. He's a guy I want on my team.

Bennett is more impactful but they are different players

Zacha to me is a valuable top 6 ~ but on a really good/great team he’s best served as the Coyle third line center. A plus Zacha is more suited than Coyle to jump up and play with Pastrnak

I build a team it’s 7 guys for a forward foundation with the 7th guy that third line center who has versatility line wide & special teams - bonus Zacha also can play LW. He’s a great teammate

I’ve got 4 of my 7 spots covered

In a perfect world I need another C to knock Zacha to 3C but I’m fine with him 2C if the player can develop into the 1C or 2C role be it a Poitras, Frondell, O’Brien, McQueen, etc

Lindholm can play with Pastrnak well so no urgency

Zacha is set for 2C now but ideally 3C

That top C is what I want ~ Desnoyers was where I was landing but losing 5 really F’d my plan up

I was thinking ok
Lindholm clearly can play with pasta while Desnoyers comes along

What I expected a month ago
Lindholm
Desnoyers
Zacha

Now it’s ?????
My rethinking if Desnoyers out: Jake O’Brien or Anton Frondell if C or RW Viktor Eklund

Frondell I certainly can live with if Horvat or Lindell worst case but Desnoyers was so Bruins to me

My issue will be if goes
1-6 (Schaefer, Misa, Hagens, Martone, Desnoyers, O’Brien)

It’s now a Frondell v Eklund to me

I go Eklund today I want the damn near sure thing but I will understand and certainly be happy with AF

 

[DKH]

He creates offense at an elite level 5v5, which is the rarest commodity in the NHL. You’re not getting a guy who gets to 100 points by scoring 45 goals in free agency.

I find it hard to believe with a new team prez/leadership and voice coming in they just let Marner walk away….

He has a specific skillset that goes like peanut butter and jelly with AM.

After 3 week vacation cooler heads will prevail

I would not pay him 25 M a year, or 20, or 15, or 14, or 13…..but I’m landing around Nylander & Pastrnak

If a bunch of 20 year old Leafs fans from Santa Claus Square can dictate what the Leafs do then they deserve to suck

Maybe Carolina if gets swept gives him $100/7 or Chicago goes Bonkers or Jim Rutherford in Vancouver goes all Michael Corleone baptism scene - signs Marner and trades Quinn Hughes to NJ for Nemec, Mercer, picks etc.

But if the Leafs made me President tomorrow I’m having a meeting with Marner discussing my vision (good bye Taveras, no more trading firsts for rentals or bottom 6 F I’m talking you Scott Laughton - Carlo I’m good with if Toronto)

I offer the Pastrnak deal and if he’s gone he’s gone

 

[quietbruinfan]

Ok, but now do the playoff numbers. I just see Zacha as a rich man’s Heinen. Which is good! But he needs to be the teams 5th or 6th best forward.

Not a bad comparison i like it, but Heinen gave it away less.

 

[DKH]

Ok, but now do the playoff numbers. I just see Zacha as a rich man’s Heinen. Which is good! But he needs to be the teams 5th or 6th best forward.

Not even close - he’s my better version of Coyle which is pretty good

I said it a bunch already

He’s my dream 3C who can due to injury jump up as well as over (left wing) and play both special teams well

My dream scenario was shattered by those F’n ping pong balls down the middle

Elias
Desnoyers
Zacha

Bud Zacha value to me is huge and at that contract

the dream is still there with Frondell & O’Brien but Desnoyers was my guy (he’s on tonight vs London Knights on NHL Network)