Blue Jays Discussion: Off-Season Pt VI: I declare this the summer of George!

[BigBlu]

I'm not investing 10's of millions of dollars in pitch-framing, especially with the push for robot umpires. It's also why I think the Orioles' pick of Rutschman won't pay off for them, considering that "receiving" was hyped up as his best skill.

 

[Mr Knies Guy]

Unless it's a huge bargain, I don't even think I would be interested in extending Bryant as part of a Cubs deal. There's way too much uncertainty given his injury and 2020 performance to be committing big dollars long term. I would view him as a pure rental until he has at least a couple months to show he's healthy and still the player he was prior to 2020.

I think he’s a great buy low with big upside potential if he could return to form

 

[dredeye]

Hey guys just a question they came to mind. We are giving a lot of pitchers and hitters a slide for having bad/terrible years in 2020. Now he’s not in their class but why are we not extending that same benefit to Roark? I would line a better option as all of you but just a question.

 

[The Nemesis]

Hey guys just a question they came to mind. We are giving a lot of pitchers and hitters a slide for having bad/terrible years in 2020. Now he’s not in their class but why are we not extending that same benefit to Roark? I would line a better option as all of you but just a question.

Because Roark wasn't that good to begin with. he's not a kid with upside or a high performer who had a bit of a swoon. He was a middling 4/5 type pitcher who turned around and imploded last year after several years of his stats trending in the wrong direction

 

[Greek_physique]

I think he’s a great buy low with big upside potential if he could return to form

That's a big IF...given how much he regressed, even with the potential to bounce back, I dont see how you could give him a big extension - which is what he'd want.

 

[phillipmike]

 

[LeafChief]

 

[Mr Knies Guy]

That's a big IF...given how much he regressed, even with the potential to bounce back, I dont see how you could give him a big extension - which is what he'd want.

He might want it but we don’t have to give it.

It’s really not a big IF. He regressed in a COVID shortened season, was fine before that. Is he back to a 6-WAR? Not likely, but a 3/4 isn’t outside the realm of possibility.
And he’s supposedly unhappy there, so who’s to say going to a potential contender doesn’t rejuvenate him. He’s only 29.

 

[Avilaj07]

Thanks for posting my tweet lol

 

[Habsfan18]

 

[as Pure as Evil]

Anyone else curious about what the mlb might do about the rosen pinetar issue .

(Example Bauer) When your investing a 100+million on a pitcher at the very least i dont think your going to want the commisioner removing a substance that greatly improved someones career.

 

[Canada4Gold]

Expecting Springer to be official shortly then.

 

[Canada4Gold]

He might want it but we don’t have to give it.

It’s really not a big IF. He regressed in a COVID shortened season, was fine before that. Is he back to a 6-WAR? Not likely, but a 3/4 isn’t outside the realm of possibility.
And he’s supposedly unhappy there, so who’s to say going to a potential contender doesn’t rejuvenate him. He’s only 29.

Of course we don't have to give it, but he'd likely go to free agency unless we did. I think Discoverer was probably already operating under that assumption, thus the not really interested in an extension at what it would likely take.

 

[TF97]

I had hope that he would become a decent reliever when he was acquired from Houston. Oh well, not a huge loss, especially given that this team is turning a corner in their rebuild and likely would not have been able to give Perez an extended look in the majors given the established players who are expected to be a member of the team now.

 

[Maplebeasts]

I still really feel a Realmuto would be the icing on the cake for this team. His pitch framing and defense is the best of any catcher in the MLB. He can hit and his sprint speed is amazing as well. He is also only 29. Just makes to much sense and lets him mentor Kirk for the foreseeable future

Catchers tend to fall off a cliff earlier. I'd rather go after Starting pitching, especially when this team has Jansen/Kirk already who can do a more than fine job at holding the position down.

 

[dredeye]

Because Roark wasn't that good to begin with. he's not a kid with upside or a high performer who had a bit of a swoon. He was a middling 4/5 type pitcher who turned around and imploded last year after several years of his stats trending in the wrong direction

I looked at his stats before posting that and it is crazy that as he got older he steadily got worse. But like in his twenties older. It’s not like it’s the twilight years.

 

[dredeye]

It’s crazy that they call sonny Gray a ptbnl.

 

[phillipmike]

Perez was the last piece of the Osuna trade and he was traded to make room for Springer. That makes it Osuna for Springer, right?

 

[Animal]

Perez was the last piece of the Osuna trade and he was traded to make room for Springer. That makes it Osuna for Springer, right?

in hindsight that was a pretty decent deal. Got some good production from Giles. Osuna's long term value due to being younger is probably negated by the big injury. And obviously avoiding the PR nightmare counts for something. I'd grade the deal a B

 

[Epictetus]

Didn't even know he was a free agent, but I think I'd prefer Tommy La Stella to these other free agent infielders. His offensive profile would give the offence a different look, and he can play 2B/3B.

 

[Avilaj07]

 

[Mr Knies Guy]

Of course we don't have to give it, but he'd likely go to free agency unless we did. I think Discoverer was probably already operating under that assumption, thus the not really interested in an extension at what it would likely take.

Point is we’d have a full season to consider it and the acquisition cost is likely not exceptionally high as there’s little chance he re-signs in Chicago

 

[Oskar The Groucho]

I'm not investing 10's of millions of dollars in pitch-framing, especially with the push for robot umpires. It's also why I think the Orioles' pick of Rutschman won't pay off for them, considering that "receiving" was hyped up as his best skill.

In Realmuto you are getting the pitch framing, the power bat, the plate blocking and him being the best catcher in the game

 

[Canada4Gold]

Point is we’d have a full season to consider it and the acquisition cost is likely not exceptionally high as there’s little chance he re-signs in Chicago

I don't think anyone disagrees with that. I think everyone you quoted was discussing an extension being a part of the trade meaning it happens right now.

 

[Mr Knies Guy]

I don't think anyone disagrees with that. I think everyone you quoted was discussing an extension being a part of the trade meaning it happens right now.

I don’t get your point. I never questioned anyone’s opinion on an extension or his value, I simply provided my opinion of his value and didn’t comment about an extension until someone else replied to my opinion on his fit and value here for next season.

In fact my point was simple: that he could be a buy low high ceiling candidate; I wasn’t talking about an extension.