Blue Jays Discussion: Off-Season Pt IV | Ah the waiting game sucks, let's play Hungry Hungry Hippos
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phillipmike
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Now now. No need to pass around a hat for donations. This isn’t Ervin Santana we’re dealing with here.
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Red Sox supposedly looking to move Benintendi. Not entirely sold he can play CF but love the player even with his recent struggles
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Agreed. I wouldn’t mind Walker as our 5th starter but we need a better 2nd or 3rd starter.
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Stripling in the pen and Roark traded.
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Offer up Roark (retained) and Fisher for Benintendi.
Boston needs arms and innings, Roark can give them that on a 1 year deal and Fisher gives them an OF with upside and control.
If the Jays retained 3M on Roark then the 2021 money would match up evenly.
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Why is Pearson being slotted in as a #2? If we ever did sign Bauer, I'd still sign Walker, Tanaka or Orodizzi to be the #3 and slot Pearson in as the #4.
Pearson needs to prove he can be healthy and effective first and foremost, which I think he will do. But do we think Atkins and Montoyo are going to give him that many innings? I just don't see it and wouldn't count on it if we want to win a playoff series at least this year.
Pearson needs to prove he can be healthy and effective first and foremost, which I think he will do. But do we think Atkins and Montoyo are going to give him that many innings? I just don't see it and wouldn't count on it if we want to win a playoff series at least this year.
So far we have been tagged to Springer, Realmuto, Bauer, Lindor, Hendricks, DJ Lamehieu, Ozuna, Hand ... Let's see who we come out with.
The only way he really fits is that he hits from the left side.
I would like him as a trade target if the Jays had a need for a corner OF, though.
Rosenthal: Logic of a potential Fernando Tatis Jr. extension, more notes - The Athletic
Center field still Jays’ biggest need
The Blue Jays spoke to the Indians about Lindor but chose not to match or exceed the Mets’ offer of infielder Andrés Giménez, shortstop Amed Rosario, right-hander Josh Wolf and outfielder Isaiah Greene. Lindor would have elevated the Jays just as he will elevate the Mets, but the ideal addition for Toronto remains free-agent center fielder George Springer.
The addition of Lindor would have created a domino effect for several of the Jays’ young players. Bo Bichette likely would have moved to second base and Cavan Biggio to third, forcing Vladimir Guerrero Jr. to remain at first even though he has worked hard this offseason with the goal of reclaiming third, his original position. Left fielder Lourdes Gurriel Jr. and right fielder Teoscar Hernández also might have lost playing time on days when Biggio played the outfield.
Teams often benefit from moving young players into less prominent roles, particularly when it’s to accommodate a player as good as Lindor. But for the Jays, the signing of free-agent infielder DJ LeMahieu, who plays first, second and third, would be somewhat less disruptive. And center field, considering Randal Grichuk’s defensive shortcomings at the position, is a much more obvious hole.
Of course, the Jays face competition for Springer from the Mets, who likely would exceed the $210 million luxury-tax threshold if they signed him and addressed their remaining, albeit secondary, needs. Cohen might not care about blowing past the first threshold and paying 20 percent on the overages up to $230 million. An extension for Lindor, starting next season, would not affect this year’s luxury-tax payroll.
One executive, citing the depressed market, predicted Monday that Springer, 31, would not exceed a $150 million guarantee. But an agent, saying the Jays and Mets should not be the only teams involved for a player of Springer’s quality, predicted the player might get $170 million to $190 million in a five- or six-year deal.
Center field still Jays’ biggest need
The Blue Jays spoke to the Indians about Lindor but chose not to match or exceed the Mets’ offer of infielder Andrés Giménez, shortstop Amed Rosario, right-hander Josh Wolf and outfielder Isaiah Greene. Lindor would have elevated the Jays just as he will elevate the Mets, but the ideal addition for Toronto remains free-agent center fielder George Springer.
The addition of Lindor would have created a domino effect for several of the Jays’ young players. Bo Bichette likely would have moved to second base and Cavan Biggio to third, forcing Vladimir Guerrero Jr. to remain at first even though he has worked hard this offseason with the goal of reclaiming third, his original position. Left fielder Lourdes Gurriel Jr. and right fielder Teoscar Hernández also might have lost playing time on days when Biggio played the outfield.
Teams often benefit from moving young players into less prominent roles, particularly when it’s to accommodate a player as good as Lindor. But for the Jays, the signing of free-agent infielder DJ LeMahieu, who plays first, second and third, would be somewhat less disruptive. And center field, considering Randal Grichuk’s defensive shortcomings at the position, is a much more obvious hole.
Of course, the Jays face competition for Springer from the Mets, who likely would exceed the $210 million luxury-tax threshold if they signed him and addressed their remaining, albeit secondary, needs. Cohen might not care about blowing past the first threshold and paying 20 percent on the overages up to $230 million. An extension for Lindor, starting next season, would not affect this year’s luxury-tax payroll.
One executive, citing the depressed market, predicted Monday that Springer, 31, would not exceed a $150 million guarantee. But an agent, saying the Jays and Mets should not be the only teams involved for a player of Springer’s quality, predicted the player might get $170 million to $190 million in a five- or six-year deal.
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Even aside from that, is Pearson stretched out enough to pitch an entire season?
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Walker being re-signed is a no brainer. He was a solid add to rotation last season and seems to have mended with the teams coaching staff and players.
Signing him shouldnt hinder signing another arm like Bauer, Orduzzi, Paxton or Tanaka. It would bump Roark and Stripling from rotation and allow us to include either of the 2 in a potential deal to get better elsewhere.
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Bauer/Tanaka/Orduzzi/Paxton (in that order)
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Signing him shouldnt hinder signing another arm like Bauer, Orduzzi, Paxton or Tanaka. It would bump Roark and Stripling from rotation and allow us to include either of the 2 in a potential deal to get better elsewhere.
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Bauer/Tanaka/Orduzzi/Paxton (in that order)
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Wow, I didn't realize how awful Benintendi was last year. It's such a small sample, and I don't know how much the rib injury affected him. Interested to see what he gets traded for if he indeed is moved.
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