Off Season Move(s) Thread

[Dr Jan Itor]

You think he gets traded for draft pick type stuff? I'd be looking at more of a hockey trade for a more offensively inclined center from a team who may have a bit of a surplus there.

A pick could be the 2nd asset.

 

[Wabit]

I don’t want to see either one of you two bitching about faceoffs throughout the year. Not when it leads to a PK goal against. Not when it hampers the power play. Not when we are up by 1 late and need a faceoff win and can’t get it leading to a goal against. Not when we are down 1 late and need a faceoff win to get offensive possession.

It’s clear faceoffs don’t matter to you guys. So don’t complain about them when they are (yet again) an issue.

This is so funny. All this FO talk and it's less than a 1 in 5 difference. The best FO guys (60%) will lose 2/5 of the time, the worst FO guys (40%) will lose 3/5 of the time. This doesn't even account for the chance the center gets kicked off the dot and doesn't take the FO at all. More realistically it's a 1 in 10 difference (45% compared to 55%).

Take Freddy G. (~1100 FO taken this year most on the team, 13.4 per game average). 55% would be 605 wins, 45% is 495 wins (+/-110). Over 82 games that is a difference of 1.34 FO won/lost per game. The difference from being a good 51% and the bad 49% is a grand total of 22 FOs. His actual stats end up being (48.2%) he was -39 on FO's last year. +- is a better representation for FO than % imo.

The majority of FOs aren't clean wins/losses. They are pucks they end up in the 50/50 to 60/40 range or tieups and it's up to the rest of the team to "win" the FO.

FO are the least important part of the game for a center. Remember Jared Stoll? He could win a FO (~57%), but was useless at everything else when he was here for a season. I'll gladly take a ~43% FO center that is good at rest of the center position duties. Or look at Rask. He was 51% FO guy in CAR, but in MN he was a 46%. Did he just forget how to win a FO when he got to MN?

 

[Spurgeon]

I'd say give it this year still, and re-assess before a (more than likely) better 2026 draft.

Ek is significantly more valuable to us than whatever he’d return in a trade. Team plays great when he’s healthy.

 

[MNRube]

Weird to me how discussion of adding JJ Peterka turned into a dissertation on the importance of faceoffs. Feels like we got a bit sidetracked here.

Perhaps we should talk about the Fiala trade or Rossi’s playoff deployment to get us back on track

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Weird to me how discussion of adding JJ Peterka turned into a dissertation on the importance of faceoffs. Feels like we got a bit sidetracked here.

Perhaps we should talk about the Fiala trade or Rossi’s playoff deployment to get us back on track

It started when I said that I would consider play style/fit with Kaprizov more important than face-offs when assessing potential 1C/top 6 C additions, using Barzal as an example of somebody that I think would qualify.

 

[BagHead]

This is so funny. All this FO talk and it's less than a 1 in 5 difference. The best FO guys (60%) will lose 2/5 of the time, the worst FO guys (40%) will lose 3/5 of the time. This doesn't even account for the chance the center gets kicked off the dot and doesn't take the FO at all. More realistically it's a 1 in 10 difference (45% compared to 55%).

Take Freddy G. (~1100 FO taken this year most on the team, 13.4 per game average). 55% would be 605 wins, 45% is 495 wins (+/-110). Over 82 games that is a difference of 1.34 FO won/lost per game. The difference from being a good 51% and the bad 49% is a grand total of 22 FOs. His actual stats end up being (48.2%) he was -39 on FO's last year. +- is a better representation for FO than % imo.

The majority of FOs aren't clean wins/losses. They are pucks they end up in the 50/50 to 60/40 range or tieups and it's up to the rest of the team to "win" the FO.

FO are the least important part of the game for a center. Remember Jared Stoll? He could win a FO (~57%), but was useless at everything else when he was here for a season. I'll gladly take a ~43% FO center that is good at rest of the center position duties. Or look at Rask. He was 51% FO guy in CAR, but in MN he was a 46%. Did he just forget how to win a FO when he got to MN?

Whoa buddy, his name isn't nearly so normal: Jarret. Jarret Stoll, a great name for a fictional cowboy. Just say it with the drawl, it comes out so nice.

 

[MNRube]

It started when I said that I would consider play style/fit with Kaprizov more important than face-offs when assessing potential 1C/top 6 C additions, using Barzal as an example of somebody that I think would qualify.

Real 1Cs come on the market about once every 5 years. Expecting a team rich in futures like us to be aggressive in courting one this summer is reasonable.

 

[north21]

We need offensive talent to get past the first round on some kind of consistent basis. After that we will have plenty of opportunities to split hairs over faceoffs and what we need to get to the next level.

 

[MNRube]

We need offensive talent to get past the first round on some kind of consistent basis. After that we will have plenty of opportunities to split hairs over faceoffs and what we need to get to the next level.

A real 1C just changes everything. Ek gets to play 2C. Hartman or Yurov fit in nicely as the 3C. Freddy is cemented as the 4.

We have a good prospect pool and most our picks plus a nice trade chip in Rossi. Would be foolish not to aggressively pursue one this summer

 

[ctmagic]

Faceoffs win championships.

 

[DeagleJenkins]

Might as well go after Horvat and Marner. Right shot winger and a good center that wins faceoffs.

 

[AKL]

Well, count me out

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Well, count me out

Yep. I was open to the idea of Bennett, even up to something like $50M/7 or something, but certainly not at that amount.

 

[north21]

A real 1C just changes everything. Ek gets to play 2C. Hartman or Yurov fit in nicely as the 3C. Freddy is cemented as the 4.

We have a good prospect pool and most our picks plus a nice trade chip in Rossi. Would be foolish not to aggressively pursue one this summer

And I hope we can land one but it's always easier said than done.

 

[Mnsportsfan22]

Well, count me out

I got ripped a bit ago building a roster with him at 9 million. People need to realize there is money to spend this year. Players will be paid above normal

 

[AKL]

I got ripped a bit ago building a roster with him at 9 million. People need to realize there is money to spend this year. Players will be paid above normal

Above normal, yes. 10M for Sam Bennett, no. Let someone else do it.

 

[KaprizovSaveUs]

It’s funny, and people love to be revisionist, but every center that gets thrown out as an option will have some section of people against it. I remember when O’Reilly was available and people thought he was too old or not offensive enough. People didn’t want to give up 3 pieces for Eichel. Matthews isn’t a winner (not even available tbf). People will always find something wrong but get upset when nothing ever changes. The guy I’m looking at as the best fit based on role and cost, if he waives, would be Horvat.

 

[AKL]

People didn’t want to give up 3 pieces for Eichel.

I remember it more as people not wanting to give up Boldy+Rossi+ for Eichel, and I still don't think that's unjustified.

 

[Spurgeon]

It’s funny, and people love to be revisionist, but every center that gets thrown out as an option will have some section of people against it. I remember when O’Reilly was available and people thought he was too old or not offensive enough. People didn’t want to give up 3 pieces for Eichel. Matthews isn’t a winner (not even available tbf). People will always find something wrong but get upset when nothing ever changes. The guy I’m looking at as the best fit based on role and cost, if he waives, would be Horvat.

I remember wanting Reinhart out of Buffalo instead of Eichel. That would’ve worked out nicely (if he re-signed).

I got ripped a bit ago building a roster with him at 9 million. People need to realize there is money to spend this year. Players will be paid above normal

I think there’s a possibility of 5 contracts with an AAV above $10M. Contracts are gonna be significantly inflated going forward. Any teams that signed long term deals last year got some contracts that’ll look like absolute steals.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

It’s funny, and people love to be revisionist, but every center that gets thrown out as an option will have some section of people against it. I remember when O’Reilly was available and people thought he was too old or not offensive enough. People didn’t want to give up 3 pieces for Eichel. Matthews isn’t a winner (not even available tbf). People will always find something wrong but get upset when nothing ever changes. The guy I’m looking at as the best fit based on role and cost, if he waives, would be Horvat.

This is correct, and I was admittedly against my fair share.

 

[AKL]

This is correct, and I was admittedly against my fair share.

Well it comes down to cost to acquire. We simply don't have the depth to absorb the loss. Vegas traded a guy playing middle six winger and some futures for Eichel. If you told me it was Hartman, Öhgren and some picks for Eichel I'd do it in a heartbeat, but it wasn't. The cost we would have had to pay to get him, I'm not sure getting him actually makes us that much better.

Not against trading for a 1C, but Vegas was already a Cup contender when they made that trade, we aren't. If we have Eichel instead of Boldy and Rossi right now and for the last several years, all we're doing is wasting Eichel's prime too treading water.

 

[Sweetnut]

Of all the bad choices suggested, I think Duchene is the one I dislike the least.
For cheap.

 

[57special]

Of all the bad choices suggested, I think Duchene is the one I dislike the least.
For cheap.

Good luck with that. He's P/PG this season on a team that is looking to go to the Cup finals. Not as fast as he used to be, but still an above average skater. He will command big $$ on a short term deal if he decides to leave Dallas. Something like 2/3 x 9M+. Less and a longer term if he stays in Texas.

 

[DeagleJenkins]

It’s funny, and people love to be revisionist, but every center that gets thrown out as an option will have some section of people against it. I remember when O’Reilly was available and people thought he was too old or not offensive enough. People didn’t want to give up 3 pieces for Eichel. Matthews isn’t a winner (not even available tbf). People will always find something wrong but get upset when nothing ever changes. The guy I’m looking at as the best fit based on role and cost, if he waives, would be Horvat.

Horvat trade and sign marner in free agency.

 

[Wabit]

Whoa buddy, his name isn't nearly so normal: Jarret. Jarret Stoll, a great name for a fictional cowboy. Just say it with the drawl, it comes out so nice.

That how forgettable his 1 season in MN was. I can't even remember his name correctly.