OEL On the Move? Part 2

[_Del_]

Intensifying is a nice word. I liked EDM as a trade partner though, that kinda blows.

What we really need a young roster player with top-6 potential or top four potential, a good prospect, and a pick to make any sense. Edmonton can't offer that. They were front runners in my mind because of the Tipp connection and OEL's NTC.

Boston, Montreal, Vancouver can all give us what we actually want. Tampa, Rangers, and Washington could put together something incredibly interesting, if not ideal, as darkhorses, imo.

 

[RemoAZ]

Sure would be nice if we get a good young NHLer with upside back instead of just futures. I'd like us to at least be interesting to watch next year. A complete rebuild wouldn't be so bad if we had a 1st round pick but with that gone, losing will suck that much more.

 

[Jamieh]

Why would Tampa have any interest in OEL?

 

[_Del_]

I've been out of the loop for a month.

Are we tentatively putting out feelers on OEL, or is he pretty much certainly on the move?

Went from column A to column B, pretty quick, imo

 

[AZviaNJ]

lol

Guessing Vancouver, Boston, Montreal, Dallas, Tampa are some teams OEL would waive for.

Prepared for the Coyotes to lose any OEL trade, if they're unwilling to take back a cap dump, they'll lose the trade badly. If it is down to Boston and Vancouver are we looking at Vaakanainen or Woo plus a '21 1st (or 2nd if no cap dump)?

 

[XX]

Prepared for the Coyotes to lose any OEL trade, if they're unwilling to take back a cap dump, they'll lose the trade badly. If it is down to Boston and Vancouver are we looking at Vaakanainen or Woo plus a '21 1st (or 2nd if no cap dump)?

The Coyotes will take cap dumps. They won't tie up a retention slot for 7 years on OEL.

Canucks fan offered this:

So let's try to figure this out on a Canucks trade.

One or two of Sutter/beagle/Eriksson/Rousell will need to be involved for cap reasons.
Canucks 2021 1st rounder will obviously be involved
A top prospect for sure, since they won't add Boeser (Hog/Pod)
And a solid player (virtanen/stetcher)

I still don't think that is enough 2bh.

2021 1st, Hoglander, Virtanen for OEL with Sutter and Roussel as dumps.

 

[_Del_]

I mean I would love to add Boeser. I just don’t see Vancouver doing that

You add Schmaltz to OEL to get Boeser. Then take Virtanen and Loui for Grabner or something to try to make the capwork

 

[BB88]

He is being quietly shopped for the right return. No trade demand that we know of.



DeBrusk + 2021 1st as a base.

Would have to drop Moore as well to be able to add top6 talent at F.
Moore only has a 2.75M cap hit.

Honest question, how's his defensive game/ES game?

 

[rt]

I f***ing LOVE Podkolzin.

 

[AZviaNJ]

Why would Tampa have any interest in OEL?

Hedman, McDonugh, Sergachev as your 3 LD.....OEL would be an expensive 7th Dman

 

[XX]

Would have to drop Moore as well to be able to add top6 talent at F.
Moore only has a 2.75M cap hit.

Honest question, how's his defensive game/ES game?

Moore is easy to take.

His defensive game is as good as ever. 18-19 was really bad since he was playing through injury. If you look at 19-20 data, he takes plenty of dzone starts against top competition. He played with Demers for the most part. If anything has regressed it's his PP performance (specifically his wrister) but that's more a coaching/team issue than anything else.

Tocchet's system completely nullifies his strengths but he still put up more points at ES than Krug despite the zone starts and, you know, playing for the Coyotes.

 

[_Del_]

The Coyotes will take cap dumps. They won't tie up a retention slot for 7 years on OEL.

Canucks fan offered this:


2021 1st, Hoglander, Virtanen for OEL with Sutter and Roussel as dumps.

There's no point in taking dumps back if we're not being compensated for it.

 

[Jamieh]

Hedman, McDonugh, Sergachev as your 3 LD.....OEL would be an expensive 7th Dman

Not to mention they are about to shed some good forwards just to stay within the Cap. But hey a 3rd pairing LD at best for them is surely what they are after. Not saying its impossible but it certainly makes little sense.

 

[Grimes]

I f***ing LOVE Podkolzin.

Same and I had much less confidence in being able to develop him under the Chayka regime than I do under the BA utopia.

 

[JasonDemersWasOkay]

Honestly don’t know if I’d be excited over boeser. Trading a top pairing defenseman for a winger? Plus one that seems injury prone? I also haven’t watched enough of him so I’m not sure if he can drive a line by himself, which he would likely need to do since we don’t exactly have a petterson for him to play with

 

[BB88]

Moore is easy to take.

His defensive game is as good as ever. 18-19 was really bad since he was playing through injury. If you look at 19-20 data, he takes plenty of dzone starts against top competition. He played with Demers for the most part. If anything has regressed it's his PP performance (specifically his wrister) but that's more a coaching/team issue than anything else.

Tocchet's system completely nullifies his strengths but he still put up more points at ES than Krug despite the zone starts and, you know, playing for the Coyotes.

Yeah I figured Moore shouldn't be a tough one, and really far better "cap dump" than any other can offer I bet.

So DeBrusk/Vaakanainen+ 1st+ Moore would be the expected price?

& Thank you

 

[_Del_]

Honest question, how's his defensive game/ES game?

The only issues OEL has are his shot has diminished, he dives too often, and since Tocchet took over he gets the thousand yard stare on the bench far too often which is a terrible look from the guy wearing the C.

 

[XX]

Yeah I figured Moore shouldn't be a tough one, and really far better "cap dump" than any other can offer I bet.

So DeBrusk/Vaakanainen+ 1st+ Moore would be the expected price?

& Thank you

I'm thinking 1st + DeBrusk + Prospect + Moore ($) + Ritchie ($) gets it done. Whether that's Vaak, Lauzon, Frederic etc... is probably up to preference between the teams.

 

[AZviaNJ]

Not to mention they are about to shed some good forwards just to stay within the Cap. But hey a 3rd pairing LD at best for them is surely what they are after. Not saying its impossible but it certainly makes little sense.

and 5 RFA's needing to be re-signed including Cirelli, Sergie and Cernak.

 

[BB88]

I'm thinking 1st + DeBrusk + Prospect + Moore ($) + Ritchie ($) gets it done. Whether that's Vaak, Lauzon, Frederic etc... is probably up to preference between the teams.

Weren't the rumoured price on Edmonton 14th+ Dprospect as change, so thinking they value quality D-prospect over forwards?

 

[Emerz]

Bruins fan here, would really like to see OEL on the roster.

What's your honest assessment of OEL's current skill level, has he declined so much that he's no longer a 1st pairing dman (1 or 2), or could you see him thrive in the Bruins system? Not so much concerned about the price as I am about his effectiveness as a player.

 

[XX]

Weren't the rumoured price on Edmonton 14th+ Dprospect as change, so thinking they value quality D-prospect over forwards?

No preference, just looking for straight up value. Broberg/Bouchard are in a class above what the Bruins can offer, but DeBrusk is better than any roster piece Edmonton has in trade.

Bruins fan here, would really like to see OEL on the roster.

What's your honest assessment of OEL's current skill level, has he declined so much that he's no longer a 1st pairing dman (1 or 2), or could you see him thrive in the Bruins system? Not so much concerned about the price as I am about his effectiveness as a player.

Gauging league perception of Ekman-Larsson’s game, his contract and the wisdom of trading him

I think if you're trading for him, you believe what is outlined in this article. He's still got top pair skill. Take the C off on a better team and he flies.

 

[ParisSaintGermain]

 

[Neighborhood Coyote]

I definitely was wondering to myself "At what point does all of the trade talk mean that the team actually HAS to trade OEL?"

To explain: If the team is actively shopping him... how serious does it have to be before you can't realistically ask him to come back and not only play, but be your captain and leader. If it's getting really serious and both the Yotes and OEL are good with parting ways, then I don't see how they change back into "well, you're staying and your job is to lead this team under an RT coaching system."

If he wasn't captain, I'd say it's not that big of a deal... but since he is, it just feels like that tipping point comes sooner. That's how it feels to me, at least.

 

[_Del_]

Honestly, I like DeBrusk, but seeing Boston's winger depth, I'm not convinced he's necessary. Especially if we're not taking on big money.

I could see the roster player being Carlo (as rumoured available) or even just Lauzon depending on what the rest of the package is.

Just set ourselves up with flexibility moving forward. If you can get fair value in futures and cap, we can try to play the free agency game to "add good players to good players".