It wasn’t a mental break. The only reason a player misses a month during the season is injury, PAP, immediate family health, league suspension or team suspension. I’ll let you deduce which one it was.
Confirmed Trade: [NYR/VAN] JT Miller, Erik Brannstrom, Jackson Dorrington for Filip Chytil, Victor Mancini, 2025 1st round pick (top 13 protected)
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I’ve been watching Miller since he joined the Canucks and when he moved to the Rangers. He was not playing similarly with the Canucks as he is now or as he was last year. His carelessness and effort cost the Canucks real wins. You are seeing a more motivated JT, which I’m glad for since Rangers needed him (and Zib consequently) to get going.
I swear we’ve talked about EP having to “rebound” for half of his career
Canucks were openly shopping both. There’s no guarantee he still won’t be traded.
In fairness, his 100 point season was a rebound.
At the end of his career the storyline will probably be that he was a franchise-level talent who was physically fragile and incompatible with the Canadian media, and unfortunately media compatibility is arguably more important than talent in this market.
Fans would be way more forgiving with Pettersson if he had a funny one-liner when things were down.
He needs to learn from Sami Salo, not the Sedins!
what is PAP? JR and Allvin say its a mental leave of absence. family health? you mean his son losing his pinky?
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You’ll definitely get to see it over the course of his contract. But while Miller can absolutely be the Mackinnon-esque force to drag a team to victory through sheer will, he does not have the same mental fortitude to handle losing/underperforming.
If his teammates are in a funk or the team is slumping, irrespective of the cause his body language changes, he starts getting pissy at people and just stops trying on defense. It’s almost like you can visibly see him thinking “What’s the point of me trying right now”.
I think this is less of an issue if he’s an addition to a strong core with an established culture. In Vancouver he was THE GUY though and I don’t think it was good for the lockerroom having the young guys watch the rollercoaster of a player that he is.
I'm just glad JT is having fun playing hockey again. Couldn't have been easy going through everything this year. He's an awesome guy and I'll be cheering for him and the Rangers to make the playoffs and Make some noise. Go JT 
he essentially asked for a trade after quitting on his team for a month to start the season
That one-liner is so f***ing cheesy you should get a warning just for having written it.
And besides, it's very "early days" still to statuate one way or another.
Blah, blah, blah, patience, witholding judgment, volatility of sports, many other possible grandiloquent arguments about intellectual rigor, you know the drill and I am too jaded and weary to substantiate that tonight.
So I've watched a lot of Ranger games before , specifically Braden Schneider as he was the one rumored to be the target for the Canucks in any trade for Miller in previous years and this year.
Was disappointed when the trade was announced that he wasnt part of the package.
but wow.....Victor Mancini is something else.
Have i ever been impressed with him. Saw him live 2x in Van so far....
- Massive player. even bigger in person. 230ish lbs and 6'3-6'4
-Skates very very good. I dont even want to say "skates well for a big guy" He skates well, period.
-Extremely strong. Erased a ton of cycles on the boards and does well boxing out and clearing the crease.
- I also like his shot. He gets it through with velocity.
Macini to me has massive massive potential. IMO he will be better than Braden Schneider just because he can skate so well. ITs super early in Mancini's career and he is only 22 yrs old so lots of development still but I'm confident at what I've seen thus far.
Tyler Myers said in an interview last week that Mancini despite only being 22 yrs old is probably the strongest guy in the room already.
His game stylistically reminds me of a poor man's Alex Pietrangelo.
Will be interesting to see who Q Hughes partner will be moving forward. Hronek, Mancini, Willander?
Was disappointed when the trade was announced that he wasnt part of the package.
but wow.....Victor Mancini is something else.
Have i ever been impressed with him. Saw him live 2x in Van so far....
- Massive player. even bigger in person. 230ish lbs and 6'3-6'4
-Skates very very good. I dont even want to say "skates well for a big guy" He skates well, period.
-Extremely strong. Erased a ton of cycles on the boards and does well boxing out and clearing the crease.
- I also like his shot. He gets it through with velocity.
Macini to me has massive massive potential. IMO he will be better than Braden Schneider just because he can skate so well. ITs super early in Mancini's career and he is only 22 yrs old so lots of development still but I'm confident at what I've seen thus far.
Tyler Myers said in an interview last week that Mancini despite only being 22 yrs old is probably the strongest guy in the room already.
His game stylistically reminds me of a poor man's Alex Pietrangelo.
Will be interesting to see who Q Hughes partner will be moving forward. Hronek, Mancini, Willander?
Only short-sighted people would think this.
JT Miller is 32 yrs old locked up until he is 37.
Canucks arent ready to be cup contenders with or without JT Miller.
Hopefully they can be in a year or 2 if they surround Q Hughes properly and at that point you're going to have a 34 yr old Miller way past his prime making 8mil a year, being grouchy in the locker room and having little to no trade value.
Canucks moved him at the right time! They bought him in his prime, and they sold him when he is about to exit his prime.
Having said that, NYR can benefit from his on ice performance for 1-2 more years and I think thats what they care about is the now, so im happy for NYR to have JT home.
"short sighted" lmao. One player might be overpaid one day, the other makes $3m more and is overpaid right now
Lol clueless people still think it was EP40 vs JT Miller and it had to be one or the other.
The fact that the Canucks are still evaluating things with EP40 before his no movement kicks in on July1 should be enough common sense for people to understand that it wasnt JT Miller vs EP40.
Miller and EP40 have played and excelled together for 6 seasons. Nothing changed this year except Miller wanted out and quit on the team, got suspended for 10 games, team called it "personal leave". Meanwhile both parties expressed interest in JT needed a change.
If Canucks moved Pettersson, nothing changes with Miller.....He still wanted out and Canucks would have moved him out too.
Just watch some of the last game Miller played for the Canucks vs Nasville and or LA etc....guy looked like he was playing beer league hockey. He quit on the Canucks.
If Mancini becomes a stud top 4 Dman like he is flashing to becoming.....and NYR misses the playoffs this year and next and that 1st rounder becomes lottery,
this has a chance to be one of the biggest disaster trades in history for NYR.
Canucks would have Mancini Chytil and M. Petterson to show for it but they will take flak for trading that lottery pick away as well. Not as much as NYR will tho for a 32 yr old Miller.
*ahem Ahem* Gavin Mckenna- 7 point game the other night- 38 game point streak *Ahem Ahem*
this has a chance to be one of the biggest disaster trades in history for NYR.
Canucks would have Mancini Chytil and M. Petterson to show for it but they will take flak for trading that lottery pick away as well. Not as much as NYR will tho for a 32 yr old Miller.
*ahem Ahem* Gavin Mckenna- 7 point game the other night- 38 game point streak *Ahem Ahem*
I thought Mancini was good in pre-season and for the first part of the season with NYR and then his play tailed off a little bit, and he was average/good in the AHL.
A wild stretch to say he will be better than Schneider, who has 4 solid NHL seasons under his belt. And is only 8 months older than Mancini. Schneider is a significantly, significantly more valuable piece.
