Proposal: NYR - OTT and also ANA x 2

[Mrfenn92]

I disagree a bit
real trades are based on individual profit, not whether you help the other guy or not
And a swindle is a welcomed badge of accomplishment if it cost you less to make a killing

Making a bad deal out of desperation usually does not make sense, esp in the short run.

Of course, the win now crowd will not care

but bern does not capitulate to win now
Rangers smartest move, given core of young blue chips, is deal vets to max youth situation

THAT will extend the window.

Your proposals are the individual profit for your team only. So you try to swindle in your offers that would never happen. The other team would say no every time. Other teams do not exist to extend your window

 

[bernmeister]

Your proposals are the individual profit for your team only. So you try to swindle in your offers that would never happen. The other team would say no every time. Other teams do not exist to extend your window

NYR do not exist to shorten their window to benefit of another team

 

[Mrfenn92]

NYR do not exist to shorten their window to benefit of another team

Agreed. Goes both ways.

 

[TBF1972]

volume does not = legitimacy, but reciprocal is not necessarily true either

people want simple solutions to complex problems
USUALLY does not work, USUALLY complex solutions needed for complex problems
only maybe trim the edges after if applicable.

i missed to answer on this part.

so your complex solution for a complex problem is ripping of the other teams with your trade proposals.

it's more like a brutally simple and poor thought out solution.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

How would you know?

An advisor to 3 Presidents has determined a positive preliminary assessment is in order to that, and that my system, which currently shows no visible flaws, or something extensively based on it, is likely to succeed the current highly flawed one.

You should know what you are talking about before you take digs at people...


thanks for f'b
Just to be clear, that was not just Lindy for the pick

In any event I will rework both these deals over the wk

For what it’s worth, there is little to no incentive for us to move that pick…. I don’t really see anything on the rangers that would motivate my to move that pick. Where Anaheim is we just need to keep adding young assets/talent and hoping some stars emerge

 

[Jimmybarndoor2]

I disagree a bit
real trades are based on individual profit, not whether you help the other guy or not
And a swindle is a welcomed badge of accomplishment if it cost you less to make a killing

Making a bad deal out of desperation usually does not make sense, esp in the short run.

Of course, the win now crowd will not care

but bern does not capitulate to win now
Rangers smartest move, given core of young blue chips, is deal vets to max youth situation

THAT will extend the window.

Agree. That is best for rangers
Assuming anyone wants the vets

Some vets have required sweeteners to take. Especially if salary cap is involved.

 

[McJedi]

Truly terrible for Ottawa. Like one of the worst proposals I've seen on here.

assennayo

I guess you didn’t see the Boeser to Detroit proposal earlier today. That was far worse than this. At least Ottawa gets a great player via big overpay.

Detroit was paying a King’s ransom to acquire the awful Boeser contract.

 

[Craft Beer Lover]

I am willing to examine how to cut back the overreach.
Howev,
Shesty is not to be underestimated or undervalued here.
Goaltenders have a longer shelf life than skaters due to less wear and tear.
Good ones into their mid 30s is not unreasonable or unheard of; some even hit their late 30s and 40s.
Yes, OTT does have to sign him long term or deal for a haul after 2 years of top flight compete.

I think stud for stud, Shesterkin for Sanderson as a base works; but as highly regarded as Sandy is, surely Sens have to add there, no?

I can scale it down to:
Shesty + Jones
for
Sanderson + Pinto + Talbot

till later peeps


speak for yourself

I am willing to examine how to cut back the overreach.
Howev,
Shesty is not to be underestimated or undervalued here.
Goaltenders have a longer shelf life than skaters due to less wear and tear.
Good ones into their mid 30s is not unreasonable or unheard of; some even hit their late 30s and 40s.
Yes, OTT does have to sign him long term or deal for a haul after 2 years of top flight compete.

I think stud for stud, Shesterkin for Sanderson as a base works; but as highly regarded as Sandy is, surely Sens have to add there, no?

I can scale it down to:
Shesty + Jones
for
Sanderson + Pinto + Talbot

till later peeps


speak for yourself

Sens have to add, to a deal with an above-average goalie who had a generational year but is back down to playing at his true level, for a young, future multiple Norris winning defender.

 

[SRHRangers]

 

[Hamilton Bulldogs]

Ducks trading their first round pick is out of the question until Eakins is gone.

Guaranteed lottery.

 

[Djp]

I disagree a bit
real trades are based on individual profit, not whether you help the other guy or not
And a swindle is a welcomed badge of accomplishment if it cost you less to make a killing

Making a bad deal out of desperation usually does not make sense, esp in the short run.

Of course, the win now crowd will not care

but bern does not capitulate to win now
Rangers smartest move, given core of young blue chips, is deal vets to max youth situation

THAT will extend the window.

I’ve never seen any of your proposals look like real trades. They are video game level trades where you just need to include enough point values to equal player values ehich means you can acquire a top player fir 20 3rd round picks.

there are three types of trades usual done

1. UFA to be, either end of yr or with 2+ yrs remaining. The trade is uadually for picks snd prospects/ elcs

2. trades where a team trades from depth for a position they lack depth. They find a partner who is opposite thrm. From therr it coukd be a 1-1 trade or thry make it 2 for 2 or add a lityke more.

3. Blow up the team trades or bigheadliner trades. These are usually your 5-7 players+. Usually these involve players with term of 2+ yrs left. It’s not necessarily pick focused but picks can be included.

 

[Masked]

I guess you didn’t see the Boeser to Detroit proposal earlier today. That was far worse than this. At least Ottawa gets a great player via big overpay.

Detroit was paying a King’s ransom to acquire the awful Boeser contract.

No I didn't see it. Was is Seider, Kaspar and a ticket in the Connor Bedard lottery for Boeser?

Assen na yo!

 

[DanyHeatley]

volume does not = legitimacy, but reciprocal is not necessarily true either

people want simple solutions to complex problems
USUALLY does not work, USUALLY complex solutions needed for complex problems
only maybe trim the edges after if applicable.

volume does not = legitimacy, but reciprocal is not necessarily true either

people want simple solutions to complex problems
USUALLY does not work, USUALLY complex solutions needed for complex problems
only maybe trim the edges after if applicable

so to summarize, it’s pretty much iggily biggily gollygoops pasghetti coochie coo?

 

[bernmeister]

For what it’s worth, there is little to no incentive for us to move that pick…. I don’t really see anything on the rangers that would motivate my to move that pick. Where Anaheim is we just need to keep adding young assets/talent and hoping some stars emerge

I hear the feedback and I will rework the vatrano offer in a separate thread later, so there is no confusion.
I attempted to offer other multiple assets for the higher pick, but you prefer the pick.
Fine

You keep that pick, I'll keep what I put on the table vs it

Stop w/ "true level" bs
Shesty is playing very well despite other NYR issues.
Not flawless, but still at a high level of excellence.

 

[bernmeister]

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I see your quote and raise you another from cinema:
You talkin to me?
You talkin to me??!!!

etc

Ducks trading their first round pick is out of the question until Eakins is gone.

Guaranteed lottery.

acknowledged

 

[quackquackquack]

lol just take the picks out for ANA. There's no way they are trading a protected '23 1st that turns into an unprotected '24 1st

 

[bernmeister]

I’ve never seen any of your proposals look like real trades. ...

Occasionally some like Nils L, was close to spot on.
But most of them show I was right in hindsight.
For example, I pleaded with them to deal Buch and get top $$ back.
They did not.
I was correct.

so to summarize, it’s pretty much iggily biggily gollygoops pasghetti coochie coo?

This ^ demonstrates someone is bereft of the capacity to converse, as well as intelligence.
But hey, I didn't provoke it and you do you.

 

[Steeler23]

1. NYR - OTT
Shesterkin 5.666,667 x 3 -> ufa
Vesey .750 expiring -> ufa
Carpenter .750 expiring -> ufa
Jones .925 expiring -> rfa
Rangers 2024 1st unprotected
cap hit = 8,091,667
for

Sanderson .925 x 2 -> 10.2(c) in lieu of rfa
Pinto .925 expiring -> 10.2(c) in lieu of rfa
Grieg .863,333 x 3 -> rfa
Talbot 3.666,667 expiring -> ufa
Sens 2023 1st unprotected
cap hit = 6,380,000

I can scale it down to:
Shesty + Jones
for
Sanderson + Pinto + Talbot

So you just casualy want Greig and OTT 1st unprotected for 2 UFAs and Rangers unprotected 1st (in 2024, which isn't as good a draft as this year).

Your offer make no sense because you don't even take a minute to look if it make sense for Ottawa. Trading for Shesterkin mean you compete right now, but they trade their #2 D and a top-9 C (who play top6 since Norris is out)? You are gutting the present AND the future EVEN MORE.

I would understand if you made this kind of offer in a fantasy league and hope the other GM bite, but this is a forum. There's absolutely nothing to gain trying to rip off other teams (except looking foolish).

 

[Sparksrus3]

We live in a Pot is legal world now so anything is possible