Proposal: NYR / MTL

[Junohockeyfan]

Then why isnt he pacing for it now?

Because the season is young. A couple points in his next game puts him back on pace.

 

[Mersss]

Trochek makes Dvorak both unneeded, and a a bad Cap fit.
Kravtsov for Guhle might tempt NYR, but Habs maybe not

You do realize Guhle has more points then Kravtsov right now, playing defense, on the top pair, against the opponent top team players...
Kravtsov is 22 YO, he's worth a 3rd at this point at most

 

[Qwijibo]

Trochek makes Dvorak both unneeded, and a a bad Cap fit.
Kravtsov for Guhle might tempt NYR, but Habs maybe not

Kravstov wouldn’t even get you a signed Guhle jersey

 

[Flan the incredible]

Because the season is young. A couple points in his next game puts him back on pace.

And a couple of bad games puts him incredibly far behind. 21 games is a pretty big chunk of those 56ish game pace totals you are assuming will be continued.

I dont get the pace logic when talking about career high totals. Mika paced for 72 goals and 42 goals in similar games played seasons I wouldn't say he is a lock for 40 goals based off of those 2 years. Dvorak also has 75% of his goal totals in 1 game. Guy is invisible most games.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

And a couple of bad games puts him incredibly far behind. 21 games is a pretty big chunk of those 56ish game pace totals you are assuming will be continued.

I dont get the pace logic when talking about career high totals. Mika paced for 72 goals and 42 goals in similar games played seasons I wouldn't say he is a lock for 40 goals based off of those 2 years. Dvorak also has 75% of his goal totals in 1 game. Guy is invisible most games.

21 games into a season is early. To assume that he can't reach his past PPG production 21 games in is kinda stupid. Last season he had 8 pts in his first 21 games and finished season on pace for 48 points.

Hopefully that clears up the "pace logic".

 

[Wayfarer13]

Rangers say no, also cap wise won’t work.

Actually it can.Ether wait a couple of months or add a contract or even retain a bit.

 

[Rob Sense]

Can we go back to discussing the Laf for Hoffman deal? I feel we are close...

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

2 hits in 21 games, that is some 3rd line center.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

Not disputing your point about experience because I agree but unless that playoff was a best of 9 series he must have gotten out of the first round .

Nope. That was the Covid Bubble year where 24 teams made playoffs.

His 9 games included the games before the first round in that Bubble. Colorado beat them in the first round in 5 games after Arizona beat Nashville to get into the first round.

 

[biturbo19]

There is a substantial "value" gulf between Kravtsov and Chytil. They are not an "or" sort of trade component substitution.


Chytil is a useful young Center who is better than Dvorak already. That has real value. Kravtsov...is inching toward the precipice of being a total bust. That doesn't really have much value. They are not alike.

 

[Lockin17]

Kravtsov is a BUST !!!
Not worth a 7th pick

 

[Flan the incredible]

21 games into a season is early. To assume that he can't reach his past PPG production 21 games in is kinda stupid. Last season he had 8 pts in his first 21 games and finished season on pace for 48 points.

Hopefully that clears up the "pace logic".

And a hot streak can skew any pace, that should clear it up too. Or is Mika a 72 goal scorer?

 

[CanadienShark]

I'm thinking the Rangers pass. I'd take Chytil for Dvorak though. Similar level player, but younger. I don't see the appeal for the Rangers at all.

 

[CanadienShark]

concur largely
Our biggest prob last yr was TB was better. Which was moot b'c Avs were not gonna get stopped.

To get past TB, we needed Panarin to play better. That Goodrow, who is our plan to see bread is not pushed around postseason, was severely injured, did not help.

We also, for the love of God and proving that I am right, should have ditched Strome and given Krav development minutes HERE.
But noooooooooooooooooooo gotta win now.
That's it short sighted ones, don't listen to bern
And pay the price at some pt


Agree w/most of this.
Da bold is a tad generous, but whatev

It's not just NHL clubs that do that.

if Dvorak moves, he’s going to San Jose

Why? He isn't taking Hertl or Couture's spot. I'd rather Bordeleau or Eklund get a chance to develop as 3C (to become top 6 eventually) or just go for a cheap stopgap UFA.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

And a hot streak can skew any pace, that should clear it up too. Or is Mika a 72 goal scorer?

And a cold streak can skew any pace as well. Which is why 20 games is too small of a sample set to get a true read on Dvorak's likely PPG pace. By 1/2 season we will have a better idea and i expect it to be close to his recent 2-year average. ~45-48pts average.

 

[Flan the incredible]

And a cold streak can skew any pace as well. Which is why 20 games is too small of a sample set to get a true read on Dvorak's likely PPG pace. By 1/2 season we will have a better idea and i expect it to be close to his recent 2-year average. ~45-48pts average.

So we agree a hot and cold streak can skew pace totals because its not a full season. Thats what usually happens to every player during a full season and perfectly illustrates that using pace totals is not the best way to view a players production.

A half season is not enough to base future expectations on at all. I gave you an example of Mika who paced for 72 goals in a season in the same sample size you are using for Dvorak. Mika isn't a 70 goal scorer and its even questionable if he is a consistant 40 goal scorer. It was a hot streak. You are also using a season when he wasn't on the team and playing much more in Arizona.

Maybe he does get to a higher point total but he hasn't yet and I would be shocked if a Gm trading for him pays that price. There are stupid GMs so who knows. We can look back at the end of the season to see where he falls. My money is on 35 to 40 but we will see. Good chat

 

[Junohockeyfan]

So we agree a hot and cold streak can skew pace totals because its not a full season. Thats what usually happens to every player during a full season and perfectly illustrates that using pace totals is not the best way to view a players production.

A half season is not enough to base future expectations on at all. I gave you an example of Mika who paced for 72 goals in a season in the same sample size you are using for Dvorak. Mika isn't a 70 goal scorer and its even questionable if he is a consistant 40 goal scorer. It was a hot streak. You are also using a season when he wasn't on the team and playing much more in Arizona.

Maybe he does get to a higher point total but he hasn't yet and I would be shocked if a Gm trading for him pays that price. There are stupid GMs so who knows. We can look back at the end of the season to see where he falls. My money is on 35 to 40 but we will see. Good chat

So we agree that projecting Dvorak based on his first 20 games is a fool's errand. Best to project based on his last 3 seasons at a minimum, which puts him at ~45 points.

All i am saying is that Dvorak is a two-way 3C who can product 45 to 48pts which has him earning his contract. What he can get in trade is unknown as i don't see him being available.

 

[Flan the incredible]

So we agree that projecting Dvorak based on his first 20 games is a fool's errand. Best to project based on his last 3 seasons at a minimum, which puts him at ~45 points.

All i am saying is that Dvorak is a two-way 3C who can product 45 to 48pts which has him earning his contract. What he can get in trade is unknown as i don't see him being available.

Projecting him off of 56 games is also a fools errand and especially when 1 of those seasons he wasnt even on the same team and he was getting more ice time. Now you want to include 2 seasons on a different team lol. Hey I love your logic as Mika is a 72 goal scorer, wonder what he could fetch in a trade.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

Projecting him off of 56 games is also a fools errand and especially when 1 of those seasons he wasnt even on the same team and he was getting more ice time. Now you want to include 2 seasons on a different team lol. Hey I love your logic as Mika is a 72 goal scorer, wonder what he could fetch in a trade.

Well then, using your logic, we project him based on last season where he paced for 48 points.

Its settled. Thanks!

 

[Flan the incredible]

Well then, using your logic, we project him based on last season where he paced for 48 points.

Its settled. Thanks!

Definitely not my logic but I see now why you think he is a two way center who is going to score 45 to 50. Guess thats why your former GM paid such a high price for him .

 

[broc]

Trochek makes Dvorak both unneeded, and a a bad Cap fit.
Kravtsov for Guhle might tempt NYR, but Habs maybe not

Kravtsov for Guhle “might tempt” NYR? LMAO

Here, let me try the reverse-
Dvorak for Schneider

 

[HuGo Sham]

Trochek makes Dvorak both unneeded, and a a bad Cap fit.
Kravtsov for Guhle might tempt NYR, but Habs maybe not

yeesh, stay off that Swedish herb will you?
might
lmao. Guhle is an untouchable. He wouldn't be available for both those players combined

 

[calder candidate]

NYR want to be contender they aren’t giving roster player…
They could use a top 6FW since Laf and Kakko aren’t stepping up they could probably also use a LD had well.

I could see

To NYR
Monahan 50%
Edmundson 50%
+Pick or propect

To MTL
NYR 1st top 15th protected
DAL 1st
+Kravstov or Pick

Monahan can play wing in the top 6 and be a great insurance policy at center or even just take the odd faceoff.
Edmundson at LD would really solidify the D core, he bring size /grit and strong defense, he can play top 4 minute in the playoff and PK.
Both are under 30yo, lot of playoff experience including a cup for Edmundson so they also bring leadership and experience.

 

[bernmeister]

NYR want to be contender they aren’t giving roster player…
They could use a top 6FW since Laf and Kakko aren’t stepping up they could probably also use a LD had well.

I could see

To NYR
Monahan 50%
Edmundson 50%
+Pick or propect

To MTL
NYR 1st top 15th protected
DAL 1st
+Kravstov or Pick

Monahan can play wing in the top 6 and be a great insurance policy at center or even just take the odd faceoff.
Edmundson at LD would really solidify the D core, he bring size /grit and strong defense, he can play top 4 minute in the playoff and PK.
Both are under 30yo, lot of playoff experience including a cup for Edmundson so they also bring leadership and experience.

no

 

[McJedi]

Lots of terrible offers flying back and forth. The OPs being one of them.