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Confirmed with Link: NYR have named David Oliver and Greg Brown as assistant coaches

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Go Away Staal said:
He's not right.

From the get go the FO has stressed player development as requirements A-Z for the coaching staff. They've covered that with these hires.

I get being upset that this team doesn't look like they'll be at all interested in winning games next year, but they already told you this. If you expected them to wake up and be like "rebuild off LOL!" then the fault lies with you (not you, I know you've been on board) for not paying attention.

We should be glad that they're trying different. It may not work, but what they were doing before didn't work either. They've chosen a path and are sticking to it, which is what most, if not all of us have wanted them to do.

To SF's credit, we'd be seeing the exact same thing from the other side had they gone in the direction that he wanted them to go in. I'd probably be in that group.
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Notice my criticism wasn’t necessarily scathing- it’s just me saying to be a tad skeptical. I also said I’m waiting to see what they were doing with Ruff, which hadn’t been announced yet when I made my post.

Ruff is still there, so there’s someone with NHL experience on the staff. I’m cool with it.

Hope that original post didn’t come across as me complaining. I was thinking about it at an angle from prospect development because I’d want someone with at least some modicum of NHL experience there to guide us through this season. They have that now. We gucci.
 
Mac n Gs said:
Sigh, I’ll go back on my @silverfish stanning bull****:

He’s right and we should be a tad skeptical about the idea of having a totally green coaching staff. I’m waiting to see what Ruff’s role will be before elaborating more on this topic.

I’ll at least give credit to the Rangers for trying something different.
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The way I look at this is that Gorton continues to show that making the playoffs is not the focus for the organization. They are not short cutting this process. They may not be ‘bottoming out’ officially, but clearly they aren’t going to artificially pump up the team’s record with ‘vet’ signings. For those of us who complained that the Rangers did just that (never truly bottoming out) during the dark years of 1997-2004, this is very much refreshing.
 
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Leetch3 said:
we hire old coaches and the complaint is they are retreads. hire young coaches and the complaint is they are too green...i'll pretend to be surprised
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This is a cute shot at a lot of people, but it's just blatantly wrong.

No one, or very few people, had an issue with Quinn's lack of NHL experience. I think it's completely different to now see three coaches here, none of which have NHL head coaching experience, and feel a bit tentative before we know officially what they're doing with Ruff.

But keep piling up those easy likes. Gotta get them internet points.
 
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bobbop said:
David Oliver had a brief undistinguished career as a Ranger, Claimed on waivers from Edmonton in 1997. If I remember right, not qualified at the end of the season.

This of course has no bearing on his coaching ability.
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Fire S̶a̶t̶h̶e̶r̶ Gorton.
 
The Brown hire is easily the one I’m most excited for in the upcoming years. He’s had a very, very good track record with defensive development at the collegiate and WJC levels. I’m excited to see how he can help Skjei, ADA, and Pionk.
 
Like the brown move I’d argue he might Be a better choice than David Quinn quite frankly.

Oliver I only remember as a player. I have no idea why he’s been hired. We’ve got about 30 directors of player personnel and development. Even Jed Ort Meyer. Is a player development coach.

Ruff knows how to create offense I’d flip him and brown to the D. Oliver in the press box or something
 
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Mac n Gs said:
The Brown hire is easily the one I’m most excited for in the upcoming years. He’s had a very, very good track record with defensive development at the collegiate and WJC levels. I’m excited to see how he can help Skjei, ADA, and Pionk.
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Yup.

I also think that his hiring makes Adam Fox ending up here a formality.
 
What I remember about Oliver, he played under Tippett when playing with the Aeros. Played on a line with Yeo if I remember correctly. He was fast, very fast. Pretty sure the fastest in the IHL at the time. Would have been a much better player now, his style would have fit in better in the NHL now. Won the IHL championship(Turner Cup 98-99).
One of those: Too good for the AHL/IHL but for some reason could not make a career in the NHL.
 
Mac n Gs said:
Sigh, I’ll go back on my @silverfish stanning bull****:

He’s right and we should be a tad skeptical about the idea of having a totally green coaching staff. I’m waiting to see what Ruff’s role will be before elaborating more on this topic.

I’ll at least give credit to the Rangers for trying something different.
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The whole coaching staff isn't green. Ruff is part of the coaching staff, he's one of the longest tenured coaches in the NHL. Even if he's not behind the bench, he'll be plenty able to help the other coaches prepare for the season and for each game.

Quinn also has some experience and Oliver has been working for a NHL franchise for over a decade, I'm sure he has some idea of what goes on around a NHL team.

Edge said:
There's a contingent on here who are more likely to complain no matter what.

It's the wonders of any online or social media interaction.
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Basically the people who think they know it all and are always right and if something deviates from that then they flip their shit.

NHL GM's, coaches, etc, all screw up and make mistakes no matter who they are or how good they are, but second guessing and complaining about everything that doesn't perfectly align with your armchair position is silly to me
 
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It definitely looks like Gorton is picking a direction with the new hires. Development. Development. Development.

I would keep Ruff on the bench to have that voice of experience. I agree about having him flip to being in charge of the offensive side of things.
 
Inferno said:
I pray so...hated the ruff choice and he did nothing this last year to make me change my mind. Ruff anywhere other than the defense is fine for me.
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The thing that I hated about the Ruff situation last year is they made this big deal about how they were working out a new system with the D to utilize the new personnel and then the season started and maybe they gave it 5 games or less that it looked like the team was maybe trying to do something different, but they didn't have immediate success and the team was losing badly so everything went right back to the usual AV style and nothing at all changed
 
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I'm like 80-85% happy with our coaching hires.

One out of three guys has NHL coaching experience.

Two out of three have been successful NCAA head coaches.

Three out of three are held in high regard for player development.

Keep Ruff on as a coaching consultant and let these guys grow together with our young core over the next few years.
 
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I"m actually pretty interested to see how this whole coaching staff and rebuild thing goes. I know we all talked about "you have to have a developmental coach and then a veteran coach!" but I kind of wonder if this goes well and the Rangers hit on their draft picks, 3 years from now they're contributing in big ways and the Rangers have talent...maybe the coaching staff has also developed. Can they grow with these players and become a contender?
 
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Levitate said:
I"m actually pretty interested to see how this whole coaching staff and rebuild thing goes. I know we all talked about "you have to have a developmental coach and then a veteran coach!" but I kind of wonder if this goes well and the Rangers hit on their draft picks, 3 years from now they're contributing in big ways and the Rangers have talent...maybe the coaching staff has also developed. Can they grow with these players and become a contender?
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In a perfect world, I think thats what the FO is aiming for.

I can't think of the last time things have worked out like this though. Tampa came close with Cooper.
 
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