Proposal: NYR Deadline (MIN, ANA, DET)

[Lays]

I would not do the Chytil trade from an NYR standpoint. We need to strengthen our top 6/top 9 and by trading away a player from that position just to trade for another is a lateral move.

McBain is also someone who will bobble between the AHL & NHL so he is not someone I would give up an asset for.

We should target players who wouldnt cost anything more than a 2nd + prospect. Players like Max Domi, Josh Anderson & maybe even a Dylan Strome.

I dont see Wings parting with Fabbri. He has done really well to overcome his injury and put a few respectable and consistent seasons together. Also we dont really need another LW in Milano.

Domi and Strome are massive no’s and Anderson has like 6-7 years remaining at 5.5 million

 

[Arthuros]

I'd rather keep Milano with Z for a bit.

 

[wingfan]

Fair enough but he’s the perfect fit and age for NYR. I don’t really see how he helps Detroit. Anything we can interest you in? Like Zac Jones or Matt Robertson?

I don’t agree with the other poster’s sentiment that Fabbri is going nowhere, but the reasons your listing for the Rangers wanting Fabbri is exactly why the Wings would keep him. This isn’t Toffoli who’s in his late 20’s pushing 30, Fabbri is in his early/mid 20’s, much like the rest of our core in Larkin, Vrana, Bert, Hronek.. why would we get rid of him for anything but an overpay?

 

[FoxysExpensiveNYDigs]

I like the Minny trade.

 

[Ishad]

Thanks for being realistic. With the trade market right now everyone’s asking for a 1st for their average pieces. 2nd+ is right inline with secondary scorers

I think a 2nd+ is the right price, it’s just that Detroit needs Fabbri more than a 2nd right now.

He’s fourth in points among red wings forwards. He’s not as easily replaced as some of our fans seem to think.

 

[Tatar Shots]

A 2nd round pick is not a compelling reason to move Fabbri. He’s a nice middle 6 depth piece to have.

 

[BSHH]

As much as I like how Fabbri played since coming to Detroit, I think he will block a young talented winger like Berggren eventually. The Red Wings re-signed Fabbri a few weeks ago; it would be a rather bad look if he were traded shortly afterwards. So value and fit is there, but I don't think it will happen either.

Gruß,
BSHH

 

[5cotland]

Domi and Strome are massive no’s and Anderson has like 6-7 years remaining at 5.5 million

Ye I keep forgettong about Andersons contract.

Why not Domi or Strome?

 

[5cotland]

Fair enough but he’s the perfect fit and age for NYR. I don’t really see how he helps Detroit. Anything we can interest you in? Like Zac Jones or Matt Robertson?

We cannot just be adding in Jones for a mid-6 forward. If Jones goes he must be part of a bigger package

 

[Lays]

Ye I keep forgettong about Andersons contract.

Why not Domi or Strome?

Domi is not someone you want in the locker room and we already have a Strome who’s better. If NYR fans already dogpile on Ryan I can’t even begin to imagine how much crap Dylan gets. And even then he’s not the guy we need. Too soft and not a finisher. Doesn’t play 100% every game either

 

[Lays]

I'd rather keep Milano with Z for a bit.

Fair. I can see why. He’s a pending RFA though so I figured the deadline is a good time to move him. Ducks have a couple winger prospects that can eventually replace Milano for cheaper

We cannot just be adding in Jones for a mid-6 forward. If Jones goes he must be part of a bigger package

Disagree. I think a deal around Jones and Fabbri is very fair for both sides. Both sides don’t want to part with the piece for the other but it fits both teams better long term. Fabbri is a playoff performer that will put up roughly .5 PPG for the next half decade or so. Jones has looked good at the NHL level but we have no room for him

I think a 2nd+ is the right price, it’s just that Detroit needs Fabbri more than a 2nd right now.

He’s fourth in points among red wings forwards. He’s not as easily replaced as some of our fans seem to think.

That’s a very fair point, I’m willing to overpay a little in that case but I do think within 2 or so seasons he gets overtaken in his role or he blocks someone in the lineup no?

I like the Minny trade.

so does everyone else it seems. I think it’s pretty fair, I tried to take both sides needs into consideration and make it as neutral as possible.

I don’t agree with the other poster’s sentiment that Fabbri is going nowhere, but the reasons your listing for the Rangers wanting Fabbri is exactly why the Wings would keep him. This isn’t Toffoli who’s in his late 20’s pushing 30, Fabbri is in his early/mid 20’s, much like the rest of our core in Larkin, Vrana, Bert, Hronek.. why would we get rid of him for anything but an overpay?

See above and other Wings fans responses

 

[Hazy Little Thing]

Fabbri is going nowhere

Would take a 2nd+ for Fabbri fairly easily, that's good value for someone that isn't necessarily in Detroit's long term plans. He's a .5 PPG player who rarely plays 80% of his team's games. He's 26 so it is likely he will begin to statistically decline. No one is gonna offer a first for him so take the best deal you can.

 

[5cotland]

Disagree. I think a deal around Jones and Fabbri is very fair for both sides. Both sides don’t want to part with the piece for the other but it fits both teams better long term. Fabbri is a playoff performer that will put up roughly .5 PPG for the next half decade or so. Jones has looked good at the NHL level but we have no room for him

Jones has a great career ahead of him and one of the best prospects in NYR's system. He is not just a passing player you chuck into proposals for average returns.

As for Fabbri, he has had 2 play off stints. He first had a strong play offs 7 years ago and then a very poor one a couple of years later.

Fabbri is a player valued at around a 2nd rounder. Zac Jones is way more valuable than that. Fabbri is probably more valuable to the Wings than what he would fetch them in a trade.

 

[teemussalami]

Would take a 2nd+ for Fabbri fairly easily, that's good value for someone that isn't necessarily in Detroit's long term plans. He's a .5 PPG player who rarely plays 80% of his team's games. He's 26 so it is likely he will begin to statistically decline. No one is gonna offer a first for him so take the best deal you can.

He should be just entering his prime years, since when is 26 a declining age for anyone?

 

[FireBird71]

Would take a 2nd+ for Fabbri fairly easily, that's good value for someone that isn't necessarily in Detroit's long term plans. He's a .5 PPG player who rarely plays 80% of his team's games. He's 26 so it is likely he will begin to statistically decline. No one is gonna offer a first for him so take the best deal you can.

Yeah no…he’ll stay in Detroit and you’re delusional

 

[5cotland]

Domi is not someone you want in the locker room and we already have a Strome who’s better. If NYR already dogpile on Ryan I can’t even begin to imagine how much crap Dylan gets

Domi isnt an issue in the locker room. He is actually a positive locker room presence from what I understand. CBJ fans would back this up. I think has hard nosed edgy style would fit in perfectly with NYR.

Dylan would be a 3rd liner who could fill on the 2nd line until Kakko returns and would be a low risk move which could pay off.

 

[Lays]

Domi isnt an issue in the locker room. He is actually a positive locker room presence from what I understand. CBJ fans would back this up. I think has hard nosed edgy style would fit in perfectly with NYR.

Dylan would be a 3rd liner who could fill on the 2nd line until Kakko returns and would be a low risk move which could pay off.

You don’t want Domi in your locker room. And I’m someone who maintains that Tony D isn’t as big of a locker room issue as some think. And what hard nosed edgy style? Max Domi has legit a dozen hits on the entire season

Dylan is not a 3rd liner he needs to play top 6 to actually be relatively effective. He’s not carrying out 3rd line

 

[5cotland]

No he isn’t. And I’m someone who maintains that Tony D isn’t as big of a locker room issue as some think. And what hard nosed edgy style? Max Domi has legit a dozen hits on the entire season

Dylan is not a 3rd liner he needs to play top 6 to actually be relatively effective. He’s not carrying out 3rd line

I dont mean hard hits, i mean more hustle and in your face.

Plus Dylan would be a strong third liner who would start on 2nd line until Kappo returned. He wants to be 2nd line, he would have to earn it.

 

[sisseton]

I also like the Minny trade but I probably rather keep the 2nd so maybe a 3rd at best.

 

[Joseph Nathan]

Very positive. We’re NYR. Everyone wants to sign here. And Fox was miles ahead of McBain as a prospect. Miles. Without hindsight as well. McBain is a potential bottom 6 C

You actually can't believe this. Homer much?

 

[bernmeister]

Filip Chytil to Minnesota for Jack McBain’s rights, Victor Rask, and a 2nd round pick

Sonny Milano or Robby Fabbri for 2nd+?

Kreider-Zibanejad-Lafreniere
Panarin-Strome-Kakko
Milano/Fabbri-Goodrow-Gauthier
Blais*-Rooney-Reaves

In the first deal Minnesota gets a potential top 6 C that in my opinion would fit well with Kaprizov and Zucc if given the opportunity. Zucc assisted on Chytil’s first pro goal. Rangers get a potential bottom 6 C, take on Rask’s hit and get an extra forward in him, and get a 2nd for the difference in value

In Milano or Fabbri, Rangers get a good depth scorer. Milano is from NY as well. In the past secondary scorers have gone for 2nd+. (Buchnevich, Toffoli, Zucc, Arvidsson)

no, see below...

too little, wrong guy, for Chytil,
McBain's rights have a market value around a 4th (despite rumored ask; lots of discussion of this, just today on bird app, see below),
Rask has underplayed himself out of NHL

something like Chytil + Reunanen for 2nd, McBain, Nesterov and Benoit is better for NYR - one of those lottery tickets should turn into something

we should not be moving Chytil anytime soon as he is our immediate replacement for Strome.
Strome MUST go. Every other exploration of what is possible must bend, buckle and break in acknowledgment of the reality that both, we can not afford Strome, and if we ignored that and extended him [setting aside it would be too much $$ and too much term], it could only, in the immediate circumstances, result in our being forced to trade LaF + Kakko, which being forced deals would not bring back remotely enuf.

Strome goes, Chytil stays. Cap is real.

I would not do the Chytil trade from an NYR standpoint. We need to strengthen our top 6/top 9 and by trading away a player from that position just to trade for another is a lateral move.

McBain is also someone who will bobble between the AHL & NHL so he is not someone I would give up an asset for.

We should target players who wouldnt cost anything more than a 2nd + prospect. Players like Max Domi, Josh Anderson & maybe even a Dylan Strome.

I dont see Wings parting with Fabbri. He has done really well to overcome his injury and put a few respectable and consistent seasons together. Also we dont really need another LW in Milano.

da bold

We cannot just be adding in Jones for a mid-6 forward. If Jones goes he must be part of a bigger package

yes

Jones has a great career ahead of him and one of the best prospects in NYR's system. He is not just a passing player you chuck into proposals for average returns.

As for Fabbri, he has had 2 play off stints. He first had a strong play offs 7 years ago and then a very poor one a couple of years later.

Fabbri is a player valued at around a 2nd rounder. Zac Jones is way more valuable than that. Fabbri is probably more valuable to the Wings than what he would fetch them in a trade.

again, yes

 

[Reddwit]

Fabbri is far from untouchable but it’s nonsensical to trade him for the ~50th overall and whatever lesser asset. He’s a versatile guy so he can fit into Detroit’s timeline in a lot of ways. Plus, from a managerial perspective, trading Fabbri not long after signing him isn’t a good look after doing so with Mantha. No need to create that reputation.

 

[TGWL]

Domi isnt an issue in the locker room. He is actually a positive locker room presence from what I understand. CBJ fans would back this up. I think has hard nosed edgy style would fit in perfectly with NYR.

Dylan would be a 3rd liner who could fill on the 2nd line until Kakko returns and would be a low risk move which could pay off.

I don't think Dylan would be a decent 3rd liner for us. He's a player that'll produce with some skill around him, but he won't play the way Drury/Gallant want from our 3rd line. If Rangers are going to improve their 3rd line I'd prefer a better skater coming back, we already look like slugs. Lehkonen is a much better 3rd line option even if he cost more. I don't see Strome being our 3c guy for the future so give me the more important 3rd line player.