Proposal: Nyr & col

[coolbean04]

Just going off the other thread about the Rangers trading a 1st round pick. How about this deal.

NYR trade:

Chris Kreider
2017 1st rd pick
2018 1st rd pick*

*COL gets the pick if the Rangers win the Stanley Cup in 2017 or 2018

COL trade:

Tyson Barrie

Barrie can be the missing piece for the Rangers on the right side. The Rangers are all in on a championship and an ECF loss is considered a failure.

This trade is done to win the SC and that is why there is a big all or nothing pick included in the trade.

If the Rangers win, the trade was a succes and COL gets the extra 1st round pick.

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[Avs44]

I don't think your fellow Rangers fans are going to like this one. I'll say as an Avs fan that Kreider and two first rounders is a vast overpayment in terms of raw value.

 

[FLYLine27*]

Hell no.

 

[coolbean04]

I don't think your fellow Rangers fans are going to like this one. I'll say as an Avs fan that Kreider and two first rounders is a vast overpayment in terms of raw value.

You do realize that the second 1st round pick is only guaranteed if they win the cup.

 

[bernmeister]

I don't think your fellow Rangers fans are going to like this one. I'll say as an Avs fan that Kreider and two first rounders is a vast overpayment in terms of raw value.

concur
overrates Barrie
underrates Kreider

and hypothetically getting past that, adds another D we have to protect in exp draft
thanks no

and to Avs44 for classy post

 

[coolbean04]

Perhaps I am giving to much. As a Rangers fan, 99 out of 100 proposals fans make tend to be lopsided in their favor. I'm trying to be objective and not overrate my guys.

Maybe my opinion might be different than others but I rate Barrie as a top 30 Dman.

As for expansion protection. So what if it was done on another dman. Barrie would've just taken Kreiders protected spot.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

Given the highly unlikely chance that the 2018 1st get moved, It's probably pretty fair value.

Kreider + Late 1st for Barrie is a fair trade.


Maybe add a 2nd from the Avs side in the case of NYR actually winning the cup this year or next year.

 

[Goulet17]

Just going off the other thread about the Rangers trading a 1st round pick. How about this deal.

NYR trade:

Chris Kreider
2017 1st rd pick
2018 1st rd pick*

*COL gets the pick if the Rangers win the Stanley Cup in 2017 or 2018

COL trade:

Tyson Barrie

Barrie can be the missing piece for the Rangers on the right side. The Rangers are all in on a championship and an ECF loss is considered a failure.

This trade is done to win the SC and that is why there is a big all or nothing pick included in the trade.

If the Rangers win, the trade was a succes and COL gets the extra 1st round pick.

Can Kreider play defense? Because the Avs may have to use him on defense after trading Barrie.

 

[bernmeister]

Perhaps I am giving to much. As a Rangers fan, 99 out of 100 proposals fans make tend to be lopsided in their favor. I'm trying to be objective and not overrate my guys.

Maybe my opinion might be different than others but I rate Barrie as a top 30 Dman.

As for expansion protection. So what if it was done on another dman. Barrie would've just taken Kreiders protected spot.

Barrie does not take Kreider's spot
dif number of slots for protection to both D and F

best is to get ELCs who are draft exempt, but if not that then must move a D we would have to protect - not exempt like Skjei - going the other way. Bonus if that guy has a NMC and waives.

Kudos to you for not overrating, but be careful not to underrate, either
Kreider's beast factor and speed is higher than Barrie, who is still all that and a bag of chips, just not = CK

 

[bernmeister]

Given the highly unlikely chance that the 2018 1st get moved, It's probably pretty fair value.

Kreider + Late 1st for Barrie is a fair trade.


Maybe add a 2nd from the Avs side in the case of NYR actually winning the cup this year or next year.

disagree with premise Barrie > Kreider

Stepan is more =

 

[tigervixxxen]

I will say kudos for an interesting thought. This is the kind of trade the Avs need to look at if they move a core player. A good NHL player + a future is a great starting point. I'm not the greatest advocate for Barrie but I will say once the team starts scoring and his point totals go up then he will be looked at a bit more favorably. At this point I think the Avs need to take the best deal and not worry about a position for position swap.

 

[Murzu]

disagree with premise Barrie > Kreider

Stepan is more =

Stepan+ <-> Barrie?

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Overpayment and it's not even up for discussion

 

[FoxysExpensiveNYDigs]

Interesting idea. I don't think NYR are interested in moving Kreider for anything, especially after just resigning him and how well he's played so far this season. I don't think Avs can afford to trade Barrie without getting a quality defenseman back.

 

[Zats Muccarello]

lmao

 

[Don Corleone]

Done. Barrie is not worth all that.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Wouldn't even trade Kreider for Barrie.

Barrie is one of the worst defensive players in the league.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

disagree with premise Barrie > Kreider

Stepan is more =

Cool story dude. You overvalue Rangers players more then anybody else on these boards.


Kreider has done absolutely nothing to this point in his career that warrants being more valuable than Barrie.


Absolutely nothing.


Not to mention the value of the positions they play, contracts, etc.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Cool story dude. You overvalue Rangers players more then anybody else on these boards.


Kreider has done absolutely nothing to this point in his career that warrants being more valuable than Barrie.


Absolutely nothing.


Not to mention the value of the positions they play, contracts, etc.

Barrie negates his offensive value by throwing goals into his own net.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

Barrie negates his offensive value by throwing goals into his own net.

This just isn't true.


One highly overreactive Avs fan made an overreacting thread after one particularly bad game from Barrie and now everyone has this idea that he's one of the worst defensive guys in the league.


It's simply not true. He's had a rough start to the year, that's it. A 15 game sample size does not negate the 3 year sample size put forward before this, where he was playing just fine defensively while being a game changer offensively on a nightly basis.


The idea of Kreider being worth more then Barrie or even being worth equal is what's absurd.

 

[Don Corleone]

Barrie is one of the worst defensive players in the league.

While I don't think that this is true, I do agree that Barrie is not too good defensively. I wouldn't give prime assets for a D who has problems on the defensive end.

The idea of Kreider being worth more then Barrie or even being worth equal is what's absurd.

Is it now? Sounds pretty fair to me.

 

[Avs44]

Barrie negates his offensive value by throwing goals into his own net.

Yawn. Another eastern fan who watches two games a year.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

While I don't think that this is true, I do agree that Barrie is not too good defensively. I wouldn't give prime assets for a D who has problems on the defensive end.



Is it now? Sounds pretty fair to me.

Cause that holds a lot of weight.

 

[Don Corleone]

Cause that holds a lot of weight.

Aw don't be mean or I won't sleep well at night

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

You already fooled us once with a trade for a defenseman. Doesn't need to be twice.

I'd agree Barrie for Kreider is fair value, but I don't want to trade Kreider. I'm certainly not throwing in two first round picks.