Proposal: NYR-CHI Trade Thoughts

[SML2]

Mika has 5 more years at 8.5. He's not going anywhere without retention or significant draft capital.

How many times have we heard this, only to see the player move with zero retention?

 

[Maliks PlusMinus]

I'd be curious to see his numbers before and after being carried by JT Miller

I’m afraid JT carried nobody at all.

Mika goes hot and cold. Irritating at times, but he’s fine and not particularly desirable in a trade cos he’s a below average 1st line center.

 

[SJinNewJersey]

How many times have we heard this, only to see the player move with zero retention?

I'm sure there is another steaming pile of crap player with a similar contract they might deal him for.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

He put up 62 points last year, how do you come to that conclusion?

By watching him decline.

 

[SML2]

I'm sure there is another steaming pile of crap player with a similar contract they might deal him for.

Take your digs, but he would have been 4th on your team in scoring last year and outscored Timo Meier in what was his worst season in years. What's that say about Meier?

 

[Glorydays22]

He put up 62 points last year, how do you come to that conclusion?

Since you feel this way. Maybe the leafs should offer a 1st and one of their top spects for him then.

 

[Mandar]

Could there be a deal between Rangers and Blackhawks with Mika Zibanejad headed to Chicago and Tyler Bertuzzi headed to New York with fillers added.

Both play the PP, both kill penalties.

Was thinking:

Mika Zibanejad and the rights to Zac Jones

For

Tyler Bertuzzi, Oliver Moore and either the Leafs 1st this year, OR Panthers 1st next year

Thoughts?

You should probably stop thinking. It seems difficult for you.

 

[slappipappi]

When you get 60 points playing PP with premium ice time, your team misses the playoffs.

 

[bernmeister]

Mika has 5 more years at 8.5. He's not going anywhere without retention or significant draft capital.

Amazing the pile on Zibanejad is getting even after still putting up 60+ points this season when the entire of the NYR were awful.

He is not a cap dump and still will be a massive contributor next season. He is very strong in defence and an excellent PK'r.

He is a top 6 Center that has consistently produced at an average of nearly a PPG and is the 11 highest point producer amongst Centers over the last 5 years.

60+ point center with a very strong defensive game is worth $8.5m easy. That is less than $6.3m in a flat cap.

stop, his D is atrocious if last season is an indicator
he makes effort only if/when he feels like it

his term is too long, his $$ is too high

now IF IF IF IF Rs ate enuf there IS enuf talent there to justify risk as a reclamation project.

But zib does not want CHI
so this is moot

Not for the next 5 years it isn’t. Much like Kreider he goes radio silent for long stretches. And much like Kreider he seems to have an excuse for everything.

I think a majority of Ranger fans would like you to part ways with him. But realistically he doesn’t have much value, the contract is going to be a very ugly one soon.

STOP, STOP STOP
with dishonest bs
there is no comparison
whether or not he should have attempted to play
and who was responsible for that is another ?

CK actually WAS injured -- back issues, broken hand, etc
yet he made repeated efforts to suit up
this is completely dif from loser zib who wigged out
went awol W/O any justification

 

[bernmeister]

A pt of order so that no one accuses moi of hijacking...
the title of this thread is "nyr-chi trade thoughts"

OP did not limit it ONLY to his prop deal

now w/that established,
there are 2 guys CHI can be interested in, and I want to know what windy city will offer

both are relative to IMMEDIATELY providing bedard w/speedy W help

the first is a given, that is Berard

the second is a maybe and that is Panarin
does bread want to go for shot at the cup? [at half to Dallas]
or does he want to audition for a large payday?

pls give offers for Berard
and
presuming he waives, Panarin

remember there are likely multiple suitors for bread esp if NY eats half
not a terribly high #, but still, enough for some bidding...

have at it, til tom peeps til tom...

 

[nbwingsfan]

Could there be a deal between Rangers and Blackhawks with Mika Zibanejad headed to Chicago and Tyler Bertuzzi headed to New York with fillers added.

Both play the PP, both kill penalties.

Was thinking:

Mika Zibanejad and the rights to Zac Jones

For

Tyler Bertuzzi, Oliver Moore and either the Leafs 1st this year, OR Panthers 1st next year

Thoughts?

Your first and prospects are coming from the wrong team here my guy

 

[UnSandvich]

In a vacuum, I can kinda get where OP was coming from. Chicago gets a top 6 C to help insulate Bedard and take some of the defensive mins. Bertuzzi goes back to NYR for cap purposes.

The adds are way off though

 

[Barnaby]

I’m a Ranger fan and woof… this is awful for the Hawks. Maybe if a rejuvenated Zib comes back and puts up 100 points next season.

 

[Jared Grayden]

Zibanejad blocks courtesy of the NMC Drury gave him. Unlike Goodrow, Trouba, and Kreider, the full NMC gives Zibanejad all power. He's happy to eat nachos for $8.5m/yr.

 

[NYRnine94]

As a guy who really wants to get rid of Mika, no thanks. It's pretty much a pile of nothing coming back for Mika.

 

[bernmeister]

As a guy who really wants to get rid of Mika, no thanks. It's pretty much a pile of nothing coming back for Mika.

addition by subtraction
howev, he's not going to CHI

 

[PattyLafontaine]

He put up 62 points last year, how do you come to that conclusion?

Because he’s contract is for the next 5 years and typically players after 30 experience significant drop offs. His numbers have decreased across the board over the last few years.

It’s an underwater contract.

 

[Barnaby]

As a guy who really wants to get rid of Mika, no thanks. It's pretty much a pile of nothing coming back for Mika.

What do you think he’d bring back? You can make an argument he has negative value. Down year and 5 years left. He also holds the power with his trade protection. It’s very possible that in order to move him he’d have to have a big bounce back year and/or take back a similar big contract.

This trade is 100% in the NYR favor. Hawks wouldn’t touch it. Mika wouldn’t touch it. If he does decide to waive it won’t be going to a rebuilding team in an cold/high crime area.

 

[Mrfenn92]

rebuilding yes. Cold and high crime same as New York lol

 

[ColbyChaos]

As a guy who really wants to get rid of Mika, no thanks. It's pretty much a pile of nothing coming back for Mika.

That “pile of nothing” is worth a lot more than Zib is worth even more so when she and contracts are considered

 

[lanceuppercut75]

I'm not saying my counter-offer is fair value or the perfect trade, but I think this is closer to fair than the OP and also fits both team needs better than the OP :

Zibanejad (10% retained) + Z Jones
for
Reichel + Brodie (1 year cap dump 7D)

For the next 2 seasons, Zibanejad at $7.65m cap hit as 2C is the plan, and beyond the next 2 seasons, at least $7.65m is much more manageable with what the cap will be in 2027, 2028, 2029. Maybe he ends up a top 9 winger by then, on Chicago or maybe traded somewhere. Zac Jones can be traded for a pick next summer as Chicago has their own LD kids coming up.

 

[TGWL]

Disagree, with the cap going to be around $105/$110m in 2026/27, the cap is not going to be as much of an anchor.

If he continues to play at 60+ points with his strong 2 way game for the next few years, which I think is extremely achievable, then he will be earning every penny of the salary.

The problem with the "if" scenario is that we all just saw his production nose dive 2 seasons in a row. The expectation of 60+ points for the next few years is a high expectation and very risky for other General Managers after what they've seen.

 

[SML2]

They will find him a team with a Swedish buddy from the world championship and he will turn back into a daily threat.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

By watching him decline.

You said he was a negative value asset, how do you come to the conclusion that a 62 point player is a negative value asset?

His value probably isn't high because of the cap hit but It's not negative value

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

You said he was a negative value asset, how do you come to the conclusion that a 62 point player is a negative value asset?

His value probably isn't high because of the cap hit but It's not negative value

I just told you.