Proposal: NYR and CAR

[MinJaBen]

Absolutely not.

No, it’s not. We have zero reason to move Zibanejad at that point.

But would you do the original offer in the OP?

 

[One Winged Angel]

I’m not Gorton, but I’d say there’s a 99.9% chance that Zibanejad gets moved. #1 PPG centers are extremely hard to find. I really don’t see Gorton moving him unless there’s a massive return for him.

Removing Staal and the 1st gives the Rangers even less reason to do so.

 

[One Winged Angel]

But would you do the original offer in the OP?

The original offer you posted isn’t bad, it’s at least something to consider. I don’t see Gorton doing it because I don’t think Carolina’s 1st is going to be a top-10 pick and while I like Fox (Long Island kid, from Jericho which is about 20 minutes from where I live) he’s kind of a redundant piece and they have to worry about him signing.

It’s not a terrible offer and in the other thread, Canes fans were refusing to include Necas, so this is at least a start and is showing you’re willing to give to get. It’s at least a way to keep discussions open and not try to trade a flaming pile of dogshit for a quality player. Well done.

Overall, I just don’t see the teams being a fit.

 

[Trxjw]

I get that, which is why I tried to entice with a high offer. My question to you and other Ranger fans with the same concern, do you think your rebuild takes advantage of him in the next three years he is under contract, or would you be better with the futures that have a longer term contract control that lines up with a bit longer rebuild?

It's really tough to say. He fills a need that is very hard to fill, even as a rebuilding team with a lot of shots in the draft. He's young and even with only 3 more years on his deal he could be kept around well beyond that. Spending money is the least of the Rangers' worries after all. That being said, I don't think the Rangers will get to take full advantage of his current deal in their rebuild, and maybe they see it as an opportunity to acquire a lot of assets while he's on a bargain contract.

I would think it comes down to two things: How the Rangers feel about Necas and where they think the Carolina pick is likely to end up and who they can get there. If they see Necas as a possible Zibanejad type player then it's probably a trade they make. However, if they see him as a #2C, then it's a tough call. If they think they can get a guy with that pick who is under the radar, a la K'Andre Miller, then maybe that levels things out.

 

[SaskCanesFan]

I really don't want the Canes to give up what it would take for Zabinejad, let alone adding Staal.

 

[Finlandia WOAT]

The offer in the op is too much from a 'Canes perspective. A bluechipper, a good prospect, a young tweener and a 1st for a guy with only 3 more years. 20+ cost controlled years for 3 isn't a shift that makes sense for Carolina right now.

 

[Meeqs]

No, it’s not. We have zero reason to move Zibanejad at that point.

I'd agree with that. I don't see any reason why NYR would (unless they decide they'd rather resign Hayes for some reason), just that IF they did, that deal would be a fair and solid basis.

 

[bl02]

Necas + Fox + Fleury should be enough for Zibanejad IMO. Canes shouldn't take Staal and should keep their 1st this year.

Those are nice pieces for sure but this year Mika has produced and played like a number 1 center who is in his mid 20's on a team friendly contract. The Rangers just can't take a chance dealing him for anything less than a proven NHL player or a top 1/2 pick (Which would never happen). With their luck he continues his upward trajectory and scores well above a ppg pace.

 

[Ole Gil]

I wouldn't gamble that much of the future on Zibanejad. He looks great, and is at PPG. But he's also a career 50ish point guy. I'd want a sure thing for 3 of the Canes top prospects.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

The offer in the op is too much from a 'Canes perspective. A bluechipper, a good prospect, a young tweener and a 1st for a guy with only 3 more years. 20+ cost controlled years for 3 isn't a shift that makes sense for Carolina right now.

Particularly after giving up the team control they did in the Calgary trade.

I don't think they're close enough to contending for a Mike Richards+ trade to be worth it.

 

[bigdog16]

Rangers arent gonna move Zib. But as a Rangers fan i would do this

 

[bl02]

I wouldn't gamble that much of the future on Zibanejad. He looks great, and is at PPG. But he's also a career 50ish point guy. I'd want a sure thing for 3 of the Canes top prospects.

I don't think I'm going out on a limb but he looks like a sure thing. Playing on below average team and standing out but totally understand if the Canes aren't ready to give up 2 really good prospects and a mid first rounder. Could Zibby make such an impact over the three years to help the Canes get into the playoffs and deep into the playoffs? IDK a Canes fan would know better than I would. If he could then I think it would be worth it for a franchise that hasn't been to the playoffs for 9 straight years.

 

[spockBokk]

I’d rather see what they’d need to add to Fox for an extended Hayes.

 

[One Winged Angel]

I'd agree with that. I don't see any reason why NYR would (unless they decide they'd rather resign Hayes for some reason), just that IF they did, that deal would be a fair and solid basis.

It still wouldn’t. PPG centers making under 6 million in the prime of their careers are extremely hard to find. Zibanejad is that right now and has 3 years left at under 6 million after this season and he’s doing it on a bad team that’s only going to improve.

The Rangers have absolutely no reason to move him, even if Hayes gets re-signed. If that’s the case, they feel that Chytil is best suited on the wing going forward and that Lias Andersson is better suited on the wing or doesn’t have top-6 center potential.

Either way, Mika is most likely not being moved for anything short of a stupid return that Gorton would get mobbed for refusing.

 

[gump116]

Rangers fan here. Good offer for zib, probably an overpay imo. Could at least remove Staal to make it more fair as others have mentioned.

Curious what people think of instead of Necas+, just Zib for Svetchnikov 1-1.

 

[Surrounded By Ahos]

Rangers fan here. Good offer for zib, probably an overpay imo. Could at least remove Staal to make it more fair as others have mentioned.

Curious what people think of instead of Necas+, just Zib for Svetchnikov 1-1.

Not a chance in hell

 

[bl02]

Rangers fan here. Good offer for zib, probably an overpay imo. Could at least remove Staal to make it more fair as others have mentioned.

Curious what people think of instead of Necas+, just Zib for Svetchnikov 1-1.

I'm pretty sure that won't a be go for Svechnikov. I would take Svech over Necas/Fox/Fleury and a mid/late first and the latter is a very fair proposal.

 

[bl02]

Rangers fan here. Good offer for zib, probably an overpay imo. Could at least remove Staal to make it more fair as others have mentioned.

Curious what people think of instead of Necas+, just Zib for Svetchnikov 1-1.

The Canes lucked out big time getting Svech (good for them) if their are any hockey gods the Rangers will have the same fate and grab Kakko then we won't need to trade the likes of Kreider /Zibby for prospects

 

[Meeqs]

It still wouldn’t. PPG centers making under 6 million in the prime of their careers are extremely hard to find. Zibanejad is that right now and has 3 years left at under 6 million after this season and he’s doing it on a bad team that’s only going to improve.

The Rangers have absolutely no reason to move him, even if Hayes gets re-signed. If that’s the case, they feel that Chytil is best suited on the wing going forward and that Lias Andersson is better suited on the wing or doesn’t have top-6 center potential.

Either way, Mika is most likely not being moved for anything short of a stupid return that Gorton would get mobbed for refusing.

Feel like you definitely missed the point

 

[One Winged Angel]

I’d rather see what they’d need to add to Fox for an extended Hayes.

Extension will drive up value a bit, I don’t think Fox is really a fit for the team. They have puck movers.

 

[go comets]

I really do not see the canes wanting to part with Necas.... They will regret that move in a couple years....

 

[One Winged Angel]

Feel like you definitely missed the point

I didn’t miss the point. You said it would be a solid and fair basis if they were looking to extend Hayes. I went on to explain that it wasn’t and if they decided that, it would be for other reasons.

I disagree. Fox, while a nice piece, is a puck mover, which the Rangers already have. Their first isn’t going to be a top-10 pick most likely. Necas is the best piece in the deal.

If you’re trying to say that type of package (tweaks as necessary) is the type of package they’re looking for as a base, then I’d agree with you. I went as far as to say previously to the original poster that it wasn’t a bad offer and was at least something that could keep discussions open.

 

[pld459666]

Necas, Fleury and Fox may be, on paper, a fair trade.

But it doesn't provide the Rangers with the proper incentive to play the trigger.

That Canes 1st added to the transaction does.

 

[Nickmo82]

Out of the entirety of the Rangers top 6, Zibanejad is probably the last guy to be traded.

 

[WhoTagz]

The Canes could really use an additional top six forward, preferably a scoring center, but I’d be really careful about adding a rental with the way the group is playing right now. The only trade I’d be looking to try before the deadline would be a long term solution at center and I’d use our defensive depth to help facilitate it...but not guys on the roster as I think that could kill the momentum we’ve built.

With that in mind from the Canes side, I’d try to make a futures play for Mika Zibanejad. I know he’s probably not available unless it’s an overpayment, so that’s what I’d try:

Canes: Necas, Fox, Fleury, 1st unprotected
Rangers: Zibanejad, Staal

Canes would get a keystone center to make our center depth a real strength; Aho, Zibanejad, Staal is something that I’d put up against anyone. We’d get salary stability, something our management likes. We’d be able to keep our defensive roster intact during this run, and use our defensive depth in a way that brings in a valuable talent for an area of weakness. The Rangers would get three 1st round talents with maturation schedules more in line with their rebuild, salary reductions, and a good 3rd defensive pair to play right away in Staal’s place.

I’m curious what Rangers fans would think both on a personal level and if they thought their management might be open to such a package? I know counter proposals will come, but significant returns from the roster in place of futures would ruin the idea of preventing the loss from the current group impacting the current play. I also get that this just might not meet the Rangers needs, so a “no thanks” is reasonable.

No thanks