VoynovsParoleOfficer
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Proposal: Nyr-ana
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Number1RedWingsFan52
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Take far more then JT Miller to get Vatanen, Miller gets you Fowler more then likely doubt it gets you Vatanen.
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WesMcCauley
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plz stop. Not trading Zucc. Top line winger who is signed to a bargain deal. Will most likely stay in NY for his entire career. He is willing to take discounts to stay, he has proved that three times.
if Miller was ok, would have been done long ago.
Yes, Zuc is all that and a bag of chips, but
No
JT is cheaper, plays C as well, which is critical when Stepan is moved.
Zuc is near top of his game/potential
JT is barely past scratching the surface
I am happy to advocate moving Stepan, he is what is he, no better, no worse
I believe we are better off w/assets returned, esp if Cs are in demand, esp so with emerging Miller, Nieves, etc
Zuc I deal only cause necessary to give to get
JT similar, but fewer guys I would accept in return; JT wuz 15th OA, do serious add and try for a guy like Hanifin
we only move these guys if there is either
accomplishment of NMC dump
or acceptable UPGRADE at needed position.
ps, the same crowd that was all about
trade Kreider, trade Kreider,
I was right, and now that CK has an adequate upgrade to Stepan in Zib,
THERE CAN BE NO DOUBT THAT UNARGUABLY I WAS RIGHT
as I noted before,
Zuc is a keeper, unless too good to pass up
Miller is a keeper, unless WAY too good to pass up
Doriva
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I love Kreider, but jesus its been 4 games Bern and with the greatest of respect the whole "nee nerr I was right" thing is a little childish, we need to see Kreider do it consistently for a full season.
Although I agree wholeheartedly that Miller should be one of our very few untouchables as the best is yet to come I highly doubt Carolina considers moving Hanifin, as for your desire to trade away Zucc for Vatanen I dont see the benefit to trading away a 50-60 point player on a steal of a deal when we're so close to the cap and evidently trying to make another run sooner rather than later for a guy who AV would still play less than Girardi.
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If I'm the Rangers, I sell high on Miller before everyone realizes he shot a million percent last year.
I'm not saying you run out just to trade him, but you know, should the opportunity present itself.
I'm not saying you run out just to trade him, but you know, should the opportunity present itself.
I went there to make a point, again not self aggrandizement
I deserve to say hey, remember how fast some of you were to move Kreider?
The same group would undersell Miller
this instant gratification bent will kill us if we are not careful
As to AV and the veiled reference to McIlrath, screw AV, I want Dylan to have a fair shot.
if we deal for Vats, it must be Zuc. that's fair gives Ana a scoring W, NY gets RD
if Ducks want cap relief also, let's do a smaller side deal, smaller pieces
Hanifin can be had, because they already have Slavin, and are extremely deep. I agree, however, it will be extremely expensive. Still, that can work in the right package if the right currencies come and go
The idea of selling high is usually prudent.
However, why are you so sure the quick buck is the best return?
At current cost, and at what we likely have to pay to renew him, the time to sell high on JT is not now but some 3-4 years min hence
Shootertooter
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The problem with the Ducks acquiring Zucc. is that it does nothing to alleviate them from cap constraint which is why they are making a move in the first place. If you think that a couple of minor deals would give them that space, why would they need to make a major deal to then go and make some minor ones? That seems to be working backwards.
Regarding Miller, I really like the guy but I think he has become destined to be a 3rd liner on the Rangers as they currently sit. I think he could be a top 6 guy elsewhere an has value and likely will be dangled for the NYR's most pressing need, a puck moving RHD.
cwgatti
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I would suggest trading Kreider right now. He could bring back a franchise altering bounty in return.
anezthes
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Trading Vatanen just after he's signed would be a terrible idea.
In terms of value, I'd want more than Miller.
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I personally don't even like the idea of giving up Miller, as a Ranger fan. I think he's going to evolve into a great top-6 player. Physical tools, skating, a great hockey-IQ, great compete level. He's still young and working on consistency and some will say he had a high shooting percentage last year, but he made a lot of great plays to make those goals happen. Unfortunately, he's probably the most valuable trade chip that's realistically available from the Rangers, as they're not giving up Chris Kreider right now, who seems to finally have put everything together.
I don't care that Zucc is 29. He's probably our best forward. It's a joke that you'd rather trade Zucc than Miller. Miller is a good player that could become a a solid 2nd liner. Zucc while not a superstar is a either an A+ 2nd liner or a solid 1st liner. Don't get me wrong, I don't think Miller is a bad player, I think he's a solid trading chip, but he's nothing amazing. And no your "right call" on Kreider doesn't mean you have this right. In fact Kreider may still regress (I hope he doesn't).
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Only because Miller hasn't been playing LW much, I would want Kreider back from NY in a deal for a good dman. I don't know about his availability with his hot start, but he's controlled for a while on a nice contract. Otherwise I don't see the value in dealing with NY. They don't have enough cap space to take on one of our bad contracts.
Shootertooter
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The Rangers would want much more from the Ducks than Vatanen for Kreider. Plus now you are considering adding 4+ million in cap. It doesn't work.
WhatTheDuck
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foolish to suggest moving Miller or Kreider for these guys who are solid adds, but less than JT or CK
WhatTheDuck
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but..
but your not just getting Miller, a 23 year old top 6 player. who players a great 2-way physical game and can play all 3 forward positions. your getting the extra cap space needed to resign lindholm as well. not only that, miller could get a lot better and really screw the rangers on the deal, but that is a chance many fans would take.. Good on gorts too, where is else is murray going to find a guys who can give you 20-25 goals on first line for under 3 million for the next 2 years.. No vats for miller no deal let lindholm sit and rot. especially after that whole hagelin fiasco.. Ducks trade him to pens and he eats our lunch in the playoffs and goes on to win a cup... gimmie a break. vats certainly has more value then miller right now. Not by a ton but he does. But does he have more value then adding miller to your first line, getting lindholm signed, and having montour replace vats??? i'm not so sure
but your not just getting Miller, a 23 year old top 6 player. who players a great 2-way physical game and can play all 3 forward positions. your getting the extra cap space needed to resign lindholm as well. not only that, miller could get a lot better and really screw the rangers on the deal, but that is a chance many fans would take.. Good on gorts too, where is else is murray going to find a guys who can give you 20-25 goals on first line for under 3 million for the next 2 years.. No vats for miller no deal let lindholm sit and rot. especially after that whole hagelin fiasco.. Ducks trade him to pens and he eats our lunch in the playoffs and goes on to win a cup... gimmie a break. vats certainly has more value then miller right now. Not by a ton but he does. But does he have more value then adding miller to your first line, getting lindholm signed, and having montour replace vats??? i'm not so sure
