Friedman: Nylander XIII - Officially on the block, per Friedman (ALL NYLANDER TALK HERE)

[Ziggdiezan]

Nylander is from Calgary and the Flames have a few guys from Ontario who they could afford to give up...

To Flames: Nylander
To Leafs: Giordano

To Flames: Nylander
To Leafs: Brodie + Bennett

If the leafs dealt Nylander for the 35 year old Giordano I would lose faith in this management and life... Lol

Also second offer is just as bad for the leafs

 

[The Mentalist]

Nylander is from Calgary and the Flames have a few guys from Ontario who they could afford to give up...

To Flames: Nylander
To Leafs: Giordano

Too old

To Flames: Nylander
To Leafs: Brodie + Bennett

Not enough

The only attractive thing about these deals is them being from Ontario.

 

[super6646]

Comparing who has the most to lose on December 1st between the Leafs and Nylander is pretty one-sided.

If Nylander doesn't sign before Dec. 1st then:
He will be almost guaranteed to be paid less, whether it is in either the Swedish Elite League or the KHL (his rights are held by Avangard).
The sports medicine, trainers and coaches that the Leafs have available cannot be matched so it is very likely his development will be stunted.
I doubt that the quality of Hotels and definitely the safety of flights (see Lokomotiv Yaroslavl plane crash) can be matched.
He will be in the same position next year as well.

If he hasn't signed by December 1st the Leafs will definitely miss having him for the rest of the year, he is a great player, but they are currently 9-5 in 14 games without him and would have a huge amount of cap space to load up for the playoffs, they would continue to hold Nylander's rights for 4 more years after this one and would have a fan base solidly behind them because it will have been Nylander's decision to abandon the team for the year by not signing. He will be perceived to be greedy and most fans won't want him back.

It is painfully obvious who has the most to lose and why before December 1st the Leafs will either get a very good return in a trade for Nylander or will get his name on a contract that the Leafs feel is fair.

Good return for a player wanting 2 million more than he is worth? Doesn't work like that. He will negotiate an extension with a team before that for a decent price, or he is sitting out. Nobody is gonna overpay for Nylander unless his contract expectations are realistic.

 

[Liferleafer]

Seriously? That would be highway robbery by the Leafs. U got to be kidding me with those expectations. That trade would fix most of the Leafs problems in a heartbeat.

Fix all our problems? Great....we can play Reinhart at 4C behind Matthews/Tavares/Kadri. And if people want to constantly thrash Gardiner for his brainfarts, why does Risto get a pass?

 

[flamesforcup]

Fix all our problems? Great....we can play Reinhart at 4C behind Matthews/Tavares/Kadri. And if people want to constantly thrash Gardiner for his brainfarts, why does Risto get a pass?

U can play Reinhart on the wing he has done it before. And since Matthews is always getting injured its nice to have someone that can also play centre. And Ristolinan is self explanitory. He in no way compares to Gardiner cmon now. I know Ristonlinen is weak defensively but u get a huge upgrade still and get a replacement for losing Nylander who is a great defensive forward of which u can use more of (currently only Kadri is ur only good defensive forward).

 

[FerrisRox]

Giordano.

It's a pretty big stretch to say that Giordano, at that time, was a "big name" RFA.

 

[flamesforcup]

Nylander is from Calgary and the Flames have a few guys from Ontario who they could afford to give up...

To Flames: Nylander
To Leafs: Giordano

To Flames: Nylander
To Leafs: Brodie + Bennett

This trade makes no sense for the Flames. We cant lose our best defensemen and the Leafs arent gonna trade Nylander for a 35 year old. And the second deal is bad value for the Flames Brodie alone is a #2 defensemen and more valuble than Nylander.

 

[ER89]

U can play Reinhart on the wing he has done it before. And since Matthews is always getting injured its nice to have someone that can also play centre. And Ristolinan is self explanitory. He in no way compares to Gardiner cmon now. I know Ristonlinen is weak defensively but u get a huge upgrade still and get a replacement for losing Nylander who is a great defensive forward of which u can use more of (currently only Kadri is ur only good defensive forward).

news flash we have JT and Naz both who are better than Reinhart........ tf ?

 

[Crazy Monkey]

Thats fair if you dont like the players but i stand by the value.

#3-6 RHD Guddy

Top 4 young Dmen w. Potential to be top Pairing - Juolevi

Young cheap Winger w physicality and speed - Virtanen

If Juolevi had that kind of floor/potential, why on earth would Vancouver trade him??

Your offer is lousy. And you know it

 

[Ziggdiezan]

This trade makes no sense for the Flames. We cant lose our best defensemen and the Leafs arent gonna trade Nylander for a 35 year old. And the second deal is bad value for the Flames Brodie alone is a #2 defensemen and more valuble than Nylander.

Some real gold here... LOL like 10 bad posts on the last few pages alone.

 

[FrozenJagrt]

(currently only Kadri is ur only good defensive forward).

What? Just... What?

 

[Sabresruletheschool]

news flash we have JT and Naz both who are better than Reinhart........ tf ?

News flash, Reinharts been playing RW.

 

[TorontoTrades]

This trade makes no sense for the Flames. We cant lose our best defensemen and the Leafs arent gonna trade Nylander for a 35 year old. And the second deal is bad value for the Flames Brodie alone is a #2 defensemen and more valuble than Nylander.

sweet time machine if you think Brodie is a #2.. he was a few years ago but he's in that Gardiner vein... you're stretching to call them a 2.

 

[flamesforcup]

sweet time machine if you think Brodie is a #2.. he was a few years ago but he's in that Gardiner vein... you're stretching to call them a 2.

He had a rough year last year but he has settle down again this year. Hes a big part of the Flames success so far (Though its a small sample size). And Really ur comparing him to Gardiner now??? Cmon there in no way comparable. Gardiner is a mess.

 

[flamesforcup]

What? Just... What?

Who else? (and please dont say Matthews)

 

[TorontoTrades]

He had a rough year last year but he has settle down again this year. Hes a big part of the Flames success so far (Though its a small sample size)

I'm not trying to bring down Brodie I think he's a solid D-Man just not a #2. Hopefully he can continue to return to his old form and regain that status but IMO he's a good second pairing guy. If he's your #3 you're in good shape.

Calgary has a solid top 4 just need them to continuously get better. Especially as Gio ages.

 

[flamesforcup]

I'm not trying to bring down Brodie I think he's a solid D-Man just not a #2. Hopefully he can continue to return to his old form and regain that status but IMO he's a good second pairing guy. If he's your #3 you're in good shape.

Calgary has a solid top 4 just need them to continuously get better. Especially as Gio ages.

Fair enough. He is my favorite player so maybe im being bias #3 is probably a more fair assessment. Still i think trading him for Nylander would put a huge hole on our team on defense and make us a worse team.

 

[Liferleafer]

U can play Reinhart on the wing he has done it before. And since Matthews is always getting injured its nice to have someone that can also play centre. And Ristolinan is self explanitory. He in no way compares to Gardiner cmon now. I know Ristonlinen is weak defensively but u get a huge upgrade still and get a replacement for losing Nylander who is a great defensive forward of which u can use more of (currently only Kadri is ur only good defensive forward).

Why would the Leafs target a guy who is weak defensively? You see, that was my point....he makes as many mistakes as Gardiner, but because he's big, he gers a pass.

 

[ER89]

News flash, Reinharts been playing RW.

You know, it would be better if you actually read what I was replying to. The guy I replied to said, and I quote "And since Matthews is always getting injured its nice to have someone that can also play centre."

So what now bud?

 

[TorontoTrades]

Who else? (and please dont say Matthews)

Hyman, Kapanen, Brown, Gauthier. All very good young forwards defensively. Tavares is pretty solid for a star player. Marner is underrated he's great at getting the puck and taking away pressure opportunities from the other teams.

 

[flamesforcup]

Why would the Leafs target a guy who is weak defensively? You see, that was my point....he makes as many mistakes as Gardiner, but because he's big, he gers a pass.

Because u also get a forward back and dont leave a hole in ur forward corps. For example if u trade Nylander 1 for 1 u get a hole in ur forward corps but with Reinhart u add a good defensive forward and a good right handed offensive dman. Even though its not ideal its still a big upgrade for just Nylander

 

[flamesforcup]

Hyman, Kapanen, Brown, Gauthier. All very good young forwards defensively. Tavares is pretty solid for a star player. Marner is underrated he's great at getting the puck and taking away pressure opportunities from the other teams.

I think those bottom 6 players u listed are fine but none of them (other than Kapanen) are core players. When i said a good defensive forward i meant someone who can shut down top lines like Kadri or Backlund. Reinhart seems like that type of guy and would be perfect for ur team since u guys have weak defense.

 

[FrozenJagrt]

I think those bottom 6 players u listed are fine but none of them (other than Kapanen) are core players. When i said a good defensive forward i meant someone who can shut down top lines like Kadri or Backlund. Reinhart seems like that type of guy and would be perfect for ur team since u guys have weak defense.

And yet, is usually Hyman and Marner facing the top lines isn't it?

 

[flamesforcup]

And yet, is usually Hyman and Marner facing the top lines isn't it?

Gaudreau faces other teams top lines. Does that mean hes a shutdown player? The players u mentioned are fine defensively but none of them are defensive specialists if u get what i mean.

 

[TorontoTrades]

Fair enough. He is my favorite player so maybe im being bias #3 is probably a more fair assessment. Still i think trading him for Nylander would put a huge hole on our team on defense and make us a worse team.

Yes and No. I think only Johnny Hockey has the creativity of Nylander in the organization. I think that would allow you to move other parts to balance your team. No one can trade a top 4 D-Man for a forward and not have a hole to fix on the back end.

Gaudreau - Monahan - Neal
Tkachuk - Backlund - Nylander
Bennett - Lindholm - Frolik

That becomes a pretty strong top 9 with Gaudreau and Nylander split up to create on their lines.

I think Toronto looks elsewhere as I don't think Brodie is who they target with Nylander.