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It's not just about overall value. It's about fit. Of which, Faulk is not a good one.
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In defense of that poster, he does agree that Toronto should not make that trade.
Faulk could hardly be a worse fit on this team.
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He doesn't add enough to make it worth the acquisition cost.
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The Leafs have full control over whether he plays in the NHL for the next 4 years, so the power is most certainly not in Nylanders hands. As demonstrated by Tavares though, that changes once a player has played 7 seasons in the league. Then, they have the power.
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Toronto has to do something. They may have 2 wins in 3 but they're not as good as they should be. I think Nylander is either signed or traded within the next few weeks.
I remember one time like 15 or so years ago where Trent f***ing Klatt had 4 goals in the first two games.
Sample. Size.
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Here's an out there trade...
TO TOR
- Simmonds (if agrees to sign a 4 year extension at reasonable money)
- Rubtsov
- 2nd round pick
TO PHI
- Nylander (if he agrees to sign a 6-7 year deal)
The Leafs get a gritty, leader who is a gem on the PP and will give Matthews all the space he needs. On the Leafs, Simmonds could easily score 30 and he is perfect for playoff wars. He's older than Nylander, and not as skilled, but he is better in other areas, including leadership and intangibles. He could also fit into the Leafs short-term salary plans and produce close to on par as Nylander for the next few years, while bringing other elements to the table. Rubtsov and the 2nd rounder just give the Leafs additional assets to add to their cupboard.
For the Flyers, they lose a leader and glue guy like Simmonds, but they add a younger, more dynamic player who could fit into the long-term core with Patrick, Konency, Provorov, Gostisbehere, etc. Nylander's skill set makes him the perfect candidate to someday replace Giroux as the Flyers leading scorer, 3 or 4 years down the line.
If the Leafs' goal is to win a Cup or two, Simmonds could definitely help them in that regard. The Flyers are looking more for long-term success IMO, and Nylander would suit them better.
TO TOR
- Simmonds (if agrees to sign a 4 year extension at reasonable money)
- Rubtsov
- 2nd round pick
TO PHI
- Nylander (if he agrees to sign a 6-7 year deal)
The Leafs get a gritty, leader who is a gem on the PP and will give Matthews all the space he needs. On the Leafs, Simmonds could easily score 30 and he is perfect for playoff wars. He's older than Nylander, and not as skilled, but he is better in other areas, including leadership and intangibles. He could also fit into the Leafs short-term salary plans and produce close to on par as Nylander for the next few years, while bringing other elements to the table. Rubtsov and the 2nd rounder just give the Leafs additional assets to add to their cupboard.
For the Flyers, they lose a leader and glue guy like Simmonds, but they add a younger, more dynamic player who could fit into the long-term core with Patrick, Konency, Provorov, Gostisbehere, etc. Nylander's skill set makes him the perfect candidate to someday replace Giroux as the Flyers leading scorer, 3 or 4 years down the line.
If the Leafs' goal is to win a Cup or two, Simmonds could definitely help them in that regard. The Flyers are looking more for long-term success IMO, and Nylander would suit them better.
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What?
Nylander has ZERO leverage. If he continues to hold out, the Leafs don't have to do anything, just as if he was injured. By the end of this week, based on an approx. $6 million/year deal, he would have lost a quarter million bucks. By the end of this month, it's about a million. What power does Nylander have?
No GM is going to pay him $8 million unless he is an idiot. If that same idiot wants to offer sheet him for $8 million, the Leafs take the picks and use the extra cash to upgrade elsewhere, maybe even doing better than they would in a trade.
If they don't drop their price, Willie doesn't play hockey and loses millions. As much as he would look great in our lineup right now, Dubas won't be the one blinking first.
They're caving, and they're caving soon. There's a very real chance after they cave and signs for his $6 to $6.5 a year, he gets traded anyway. I think he may have worn out his welcome with Dubas and Shanahan.
30 year old who's career high in points is less than what Nylander has hit twice before turning 22. Coming off a down year. Plus he's a UFA so the cap savings are not going to be great. Wouldn't be surprised if he's between $5 and $6 million.
Not worth "leadership and intangibles". Not to mention there is zero reason to trade Nylander for another winger.
Why they're not trading him for a defenseman is beyond me
They clearly have no problems scoring at all and but have a god awful defense.
They dont need Nylander up front one bit
They clearly have no problems scoring at all and but have a god awful defense.
They dont need Nylander up front one bit
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lol
3 games in and THE LEAFS MUST DO SOMETHING!!!!!
Who says they aren't? Is the concept of weighing their options beyond the first few games of the regular season also beyond you?
LOL first I've heard that one and for good reason too
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He's also the posterboy for breaking down into a 3rd/4th liner for the 60 games he's healthy by 34. That lanky frame has taken a lot of abuse in front of the net, at least guys like Holmstrom had a little extra padding to soften the blows.
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Either Dubas doesn't want to trade Nylander for any price at all or no one has offered a defenseman worth a damn. Which of those situations seems more likely to you?
You never say you want to trade a player publicly.
Where exactly did I say or imply this ?
Don't take your dreams/illusions for reality.
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Where exactly did I say or imply this ?
Don't take your dreams/illusions for reality.
He probably meant that, as he did, they should do that trade in a "sim league"...
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That's easy to say but first you need a team willing/able to take Nylander long term and has an avaliable d man that fits what the leafs needs would be. You also don't move Nylander for the sake of moving him so if the value isn't there you don't trade him. That being said I wouldn't trade Willy because realistically there isn't a D man available to justify it
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Thanks.
It's always fun to bring people back to reality rather than have them utter half truths.
Some people in this thread are waiting for exactly that, a trade they can make fun of.
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We missed you!
Thinking about naming the next Nylander thread after you considering you've made a home in the previous threads.
Regardless, good to have you back!
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The only D worth trading for was Hamilton, apparently. Are you open to trading Nylander for Faulk? The return for Adam Larsson was Taylor Hall... are you willing to trade Nylander for a "good" defenseman instead of trading him for a "very good" forward, etc?
I think something around Nylander for Sanheim makes sense for both teams, but the Leafs (fans) will want this great, young defenseman for Nylander (Provorov) and it won't ever happen.
An interesting trade would be something around Nylander for Ristolainen but the Sabres cannot afford to remove Ristolainen from their blue line.
No Leaf fan with a brain thinks Philly would move Ivan Provorov for William Nylander.
Sabres don't have D to spare, like you said.
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