Speculation: Nylander out, Evander Kane in?
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A1LeafNation
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If we are moving an 80 point forward, why are we moving the younger more dymanic 7m one and not the 11m one?
Evander Kane on a long term secured contract where his true self will come out and be playing for Toronto. Inject that in my veins now please.
Huh? One is a winger who is the same age as Willy, and the other is a Center who is 31. The Center also has a NMC so that is out of the question. So are you talking about the winger who is the same as Willy? Also, which team is taking 11M in cap space?
A1LeafNation
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So the idea to solve a problem is to mask others as the problem and not address the real problem?
In what world is an 80point 7m player the issue...
NMC
for the record I'm in favour of both moving out unless management is confident that Tavares needs different partners to play better.
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if i am Kane's agent, i don't direct him to an uber-spotlight situation.
A1LeafNation
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I agree, hence why i said i'm in favour of moving him. If you could trade Tavares, Willy and Mrazek to Arizona for a conditional 7th round pick I'd drive them to the airport myself. I'm just realistic about the cost/chances of it happening. I'm a little hopeful that 17M over 3 years in actual cash cost for Tavares makes him enticing for a few teams.
But I'm open to the idea of Tavares winger (taking draws) with Marner taking the center responsibilities during the play. Or if Tavares really would excel in a grinding/cycling line with 2 other players, maybe its better.
However I don't like Willy or Tavares' style in the playoffs. I'd take less points from replacements if they are "playoff players". Tavares isn't afraid to get into corners but he's a f***ing punching bag ... how is that inspiring to your team?
ManofSteel55
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Looks that way. The only tradeable option of their core group, so yeah, it looks that way. Hopefully fans don't run him out of town and run down his play while doing it, and everyone recognizes that it is a cap move first and foremost.
Poppy Whoa Sonnet
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And if I'm Kane I take the largest, buyout proof contract I can get.
Sanheim for nylander? Leafs create space while improving defense and flyers get an offensive oriented forward
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I am not aware of "buyout proof contract" configuration under current CBA.
Please, could you help us uninformed fans understand how that would work?
And if team, during negotiations, senses that his priority is to protect the contract from effects due to further off-ice nonsense, why would they proceed?
Nikishin Go Boom
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high signing bonus contract, like Tavares. the one 2/3's spread out only counts for salary, not signing bonuses. Signing bonuses are paid in full then the 2/3s money is figured out to add to the cap hit of the buyout.
Cap Hit Calculations
| SEASON | INITIAL BASE SALARY | INITIAL CAP HIT | SIGNING BONUS | BUYOUT COST | POST-BUYOUT EARNINGS | SAVINGS | CAP HIT (
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| 2022-23 | $910,000 | $11,000,000 | $7,040,000 | $303,333 | $7,343,333 | $606,667 | $10,393,333 |
| 2023-24 | $910,000 | $11,000,000 | $7,040,000 | $303,333 | $7,343,333 | $606,667 | $10,393,333 |
| 2024-25 | $910,000 | $11,000,000 | $7,040,000 | $303,333 | $7,343,333 | $606,667 | $10,393,333 |
| 2025-26 | $0 | $0 | $0 | $303,333 | $303,333 | -$303,333 | $303,333 |
| 2026-27 | $0 | $0 | $0 | $303,333 | $303,333 | -$303,333 | $303,333 |
| 2027-28 | $0 | $0 | $0 | $303,333 | $303,333 | -$303,333 | $303,333 |
| TOTAL | $2,730,000 | $33,000,000 | $21,120,000 | $1,820,000 | $22,940,000 | $910,000 | $32,089,998 |
that would be Tavares' buy out cap hit. obviously you cant buy him out so he is buy out proof.
Poppy Whoa Sonnet
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By "buyout proof" I just mean a contract that is structured with bonuses in such a way that the team gets no benefits from buying the player out. The Tavares contract is an example as its almost entirely signing bonuses:
Buying him out yields a cap hit of 10.3 m instead of 11m for 3 years. Makes no sense to buy him out at all.
ManofSteel55
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No contracts are officially buyout proof, but some are laid out in such a way, with signing bonuses and whatnot, that the team doesn't benefit by buying the player out, so unless a team wanted to just get rid of a guy and was willing to eat nearly all of his cap hit, then buyouts aren't an option.
See Lucic's deal for another one that is buyout proof. That was the big benefit for Edmonton doing that trade, they got a contract they could buy out instead of being saddled with a $5M 4th liner.
A1LeafNation
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This is worse than the Hall for Larsson deal.
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thanks guys, that makes sense.
On the other hand, Kane being offered such a deal doesn't.
He ain't that special, and has indisputable and unresolved non-hockey concerns
But it only takes one motivated GM ...
Poppy Whoa Sonnet
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Yeah i mean he'd have to find the best trade off between total possible value and protect himself. My main point is he needs to secure the bag given his financial situation, and won't take less I don't think to go to a contender, or possibly even a market with large taxes.
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I know some GM's are stupid but who on Earth is giving Evander Kane of all people a long, buyout-proof contract?
A1LeafNation
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It was 5-0. The point is to get yourself ready for the next one, not get yourself injured. It's the same reason why Campbell was pulled.
Stupid take.
This isn't "Speculation", this is a "Proposal" and you should amend the thread title accordingly. Speculation is a correct thread type when it's based on either a source or some empirical evidence to suggest it's possible.
If the Leafs could trade Nylander for an attractive return AND replace him with Kane for free (as a UFA) that is the kind of smart asset management I like in general. However, I'm not sure how TOR feels about Kane long term specifically, in term of on-ice, off-ice and the salary cap -- because it will be at least a 3 year (and more likely 4 year) commitment, .
